Show off your Revolving Carbines


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Fingers McGee
March 27, 2011, 12:16 PM
OK, let's start a new thread. We've got a Colt thread, Remmington thread, Walker thread, and LRE Walker thread. So, I figure the time has come for a revolving carbine thread. So, dust off those carbines and show em off. I'll start with mine. From top to bottom, 2nd Gen Colt Cavalry Commemorative, Armi San Marco 3rd Model Dragoon, 2nd Gen Stainless Steel 1860 Army with 2nd Gen stock, and; last but not least, a non-historically correct .44 Cal Schneider and Glassick.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/fingersmcgee/005.jpg

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Mp7
March 27, 2011, 01:27 PM
*drool*

Nice. actually a gun like those & powder and bullets and dies might not be bad for a SHTF wilderness bag :-)

Busyhands94
March 27, 2011, 04:23 PM
i love revolving carbines! i wanna get a cattleman's carbine!

madcratebuilder
March 29, 2011, 09:56 AM
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/rcarbine02.jpg

Two revolving carbines and two shoulder stocked revolvers. I picked up a shoulder stock for a .36 Navy, now I need to decide on it's mate.

Fingers McGee
March 29, 2011, 12:05 PM
Glad you chimed in MCB. Always good to hear from you.

FM

leadcounsel
March 29, 2011, 12:31 PM
I wonder why there aren't modern designs... seems like it would be great for a .308 or similar, especially for the accuracy of a single shooter (not mag fed) and since it's easier for reloaders to save their brass.

J-Bar
March 29, 2011, 05:58 PM
Gee, I would post pix of mine if I still owned them, but...HEY that 2nd gen Cavalry Commemorative looks real familiar. Could it be...??

Fingers McGee
March 29, 2011, 07:45 PM
Gee, I would post pix of mine if I still owned them, but...HEY that 2nd gen Cavalry Commemorative looks real familiar. Could it be...??

Nah, I traded that set off for an 1884 Trapdoor Springfield rifle. The one in the picture is the NIB set I bought a few years ago with all the original packaging that is still NIB.

ElvinWarrior
March 30, 2011, 01:20 AM
Sadly, I haven't purchased mine yet, but I am going to, I have been wanting a revolving rifle, of some type ever since I was about 15 or so, and I am just not going to spend the rest of my life without one !!!

So soon, very soon, I will be a totin this lil puppy around, WITH the periode long barreled scope attached !!!

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x330/ElvinWarrior/PR0103.jpg

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x330/ElvinWarrior/EP0050.jpg

Sincerely,

ElvinWarrior... aka... David

madcratebuilder
March 30, 2011, 07:51 AM
I wonder why there aren't modern designs... seems like it would be great for a .308 or similar, especially for the accuracy of a single shooter (not mag fed) and since it's easier for reloaders to save their brass.
NFA laws have restricted shoulder stocks. Some states allow them and they require a federal tax stamp. Cap and ball revolvers are exempt as are some C&R center fires. Adding a shoulder stock to a cartridge conversion is a violation of NFA so be careful.

Phantom Captain
March 30, 2011, 07:24 PM
ElvinWarrior,

Not sure if you are aware but the soldiers issued the revolving Colt rifles in the Civil War actually weren't too fond of them. The flaw in the design being your hand holding the forearm is in front of the cylinder. Directly in front of it. Lots of complaints about lead shavings going right into their hands and had to be careful of burns as well. In the event of a chain fire your hand and fingers were highly at risk too. Still a really neat looking rifle and interesting design but it's one of the reasons I never added one to my collection.

One-Time
March 30, 2011, 07:53 PM
posted by:leadcounsel I wonder why there aren't modern designs... seems like it would be great for a .308 or similar, especially for the accuracy of a single shooter (not mag fed) and since it's easier for reloaders to save their brass.


Federal law prohibits it, thank you NFA

Fingers McGee
March 30, 2011, 07:58 PM
OK, Where are all the Remington revolving carbines out there?

I figured there'd have been a dozen or so posted by now

FM

wasatch
March 30, 2011, 08:07 PM
1858 buffalo with shoulder stock

1860 with shoulder stock

You could have some too, look here:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=584073

ElvinWarrior
March 31, 2011, 02:56 AM
Phantom...

Thanks for the sage advice !!! I always load my cylinders with a lubbed over powder pad, and I always lube up the tops of the cylinders after seating, so chain firings are not really something I worry about too much.

The hot lead shavings though, I had never considered that, does make sense I have to admidt... I guess a pair of leather cowboy gloves (Calvary Style) would help with that one !!!

:) :) :) :)

Sincerely,

ElvinWarrior... aka... David

Hoof Hearted
March 31, 2011, 03:00 PM
EMF marked 22 calibre Revolving Carbine marketed as the "Texas Carbine"
21" barrel, Frame mounted Firing pin, Ejector pin in tube under Forearm


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/100_2076.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/100_2077.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/100_2078.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/100_2080.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/100_2079.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/a16r7.jpg

Molasses
April 1, 2011, 08:10 PM
Oh, why not, I'll play. :D
Here's what's currently here, comprised of a Pietta 1860 w. stock, old Uberti 1861 Navy w. stock and one of those cattleman's carbines w. a Pale Rider-type spare cylinder pouch I made up for it:
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q201/Molasses_photos/revolving/PHOT0005.jpg

I used to own this one, bought new at the Owatonna, MN Cabela's probably close to 15 years ago, where it was all alone, priced cheap (like $175, IIRC). Only one exactly like it I've seen, but there's a lot in this world I've never seen, so bear with me here.;) In .44-40, and it had an extremely annoying blast to it, even with ear protection. Sold it not too awfully long ago and don't miss it too terribly.
Alongside the Cattleman's carbine:
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q201/Molasses_photos/revolving/MVC-027F.jpg
Comparison of the Uberti stamps of the two:
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q201/Molasses_photos/revolving/MVC-026F.jpg
Cabela's importer stamp on the .44-40:
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q201/Molasses_photos/revolving/MVC-028F.jpg
Wasn't a horrible shooter:
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q201/Molasses_photos/revolving/IMAGE001.jpg

Molasses, SASS #925 Life

Fingers McGee
April 1, 2011, 11:51 PM
I'd love to find another one of those Hoof.

Nice array Molasses

StrawHat
April 2, 2011, 07:07 AM
Okay, in honour of All Fools Day, I'll post this one

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc194/StrawHat/44Snubwithstock001.jpg

ElvinWarrior
April 2, 2011, 05:24 PM
As long as we are a talkin, specialty revolving rifles...

I have one for the group !!! This is a PRIVATE fantasy of mine, and it would be a bit pricey to build up... But when you consider that a nice 44/50(?) or 44/70 Reproduction Trapdoor is going to set you back $1,2000.00 to $1,600.00 for a new one, somewhat less but still pretty pricey for a really nice used one... And doing a build up like this is at or about that price range. And, with build ups, you can do them a little bit at a time, in stages, to reduce the cost over a period of time so you don't have a furious girlfriend or wife threatening to beat you to death with your damned gun collection additon !!! (LOL !!!)

For Starters, I would like to start out with a good used reproduction model of the LeMat Confederate Civil War pistol. You guys know it, it has a 9 shot 44/41 caliber cylinder, AND, a second smooth bore barrel sized to the 20ga Shotgun size. Wonderful old gun, I have wet dreams over it... Now, starting with that, build it into a Revolving Rifle, WHICH IS GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE, but, you will have a very unique one of a kind item that is somewhat historically correct, but not fully historically accurate, in that, to my knowledge, no carbine rifle versions of the LeMat were ever actually produced. But, who is to say??? Perhaps, if their sales had been better than they were, they may have eventually introduced one at some point, RIGHT ???

I came across a used reproduction F. LLI. Pietta Lemat, Calvary version, in VERY GOOD condition, NOT MINT, it has some minor rust on the outside of the barrels, and some visible wear on the blueing, but, a very good servicable and eminately restorable high end pistol. It is AT AUCTION NOW, with about a day left on bidding, and current bidding is at $419.00, which is a VERY GOOD PRICE. I would have bid on it myself, but, I am already maxed out on this months hobby budget, with a shipment from Dixie on the way to me right now, so... I missed out on this one. But some of YOU out there may be able to bid on it, at $419.00 bux, that is about HALF what Dixie wants at $825.00, EMF currently has them on sale for $799.00, and several other distributors have them at between $980.00 to as high as $1,200.00... So there is NO DOUBT, that at on or about between 4 or $500.00 bux, that pistol is a BARGAIN !!!

Here is a link to the online auction page...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=213529587

So, my build up is basically this... Start with a good servicable used LeMat pistol, replace the revovler barrel with one that is 18" to 24" in length, add in a lengthened 20ga secondary underbarrel, or underbarrel extension which threads into the end cap of the standard pistol unerbarrel, then add in a modified standard unfinished fore arm half stock and the brass fore and butt caps, along with the hardware and brass plates to mount the half fore-stock to the twin barrels with a wedge retaining set up. Replace the standard grips, with a modified stock unfinished half rear stock... Pick up a brass butt plate, and a brass patch box, and maybee, throw in a brass long tube period style scope to the gun... Doing most of the work yourself, except for heavy specialty machining, like welding on underbarrel forestock wedge retaining clasps (2), and perhaps re-threading the breech end of the longer barrels, and doing all of the blueing/browning or plating yourself... The build up should come in at on or about $1,200.00 to $1,400.00... Or thereabouts...

Well, THATS IT !!! Thats MY hot idea for a wild and crazy custom revolving rifle build up !!!

Sincerely,

ElvinWarrior... aka... David

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x330/ElvinWarrior/LeMat_06_big-1.jpg

Fingers McGee
April 2, 2011, 11:53 PM
but, you will have a very unique one of a kind item that is somewhat historically correct, but not fully historically accurate, in that no carbine rifle versions of the LeMat were ever actually produced.

There were LeMat Carbines made during the Civil War - around 200 of them from what I've read. There are a couple of them on display in the JM Davis Firearms Museum in Claremore OK. Here is a picture I got from another website.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/fingersmcgee/lematrifleright17.jpg

ElvinWarrior
April 3, 2011, 01:50 AM
Fingers McGee !!!

Wowsers !!! I didn't know that !!! Only 200 ya say ??? That makes it a very rare and valuable arm to have, even a hand made reproduction would have a certain value to it !!!

Thanks TONS for the photo, I saved it off, tis a shame its not a larger photo, but I will track one down, and use it as a model for mine !!! In fact, you have me all excited about the project now, I think I am going to make it my next build project, starting next month with just picking up a good used LeMat Calvary version of the pistol, the one with the spar or spike on the back end of the trigger gaurd, and a somewhat different cylinder barrel locking pin of some kind from the other models, something I am not very clear on, but I will research and figure it out.

I have already learned something from the photo you did submit !!! It appears, from the photo, that the rifled barrel was a total replacement, but the smooth bore under-barrel seems to still utilize the pistol barrel, just apparently fitted with a barrel extension. I could be mistaken about that, but that is how it appears to me at present. It also appears to me, to utilize the standard pistol version(s) of the loading lever. The loading levers had a removeable ramrod insert associated with it for loading the shot underbarrel, which is another reason why I think that the standard shot underbarrel was utilized along with a barrel extension which probably threads into the end cap of the shorter standard barrel, and would need to be removed for shot barrel loading or cylinder removal, since the standard removeable shot barrel ramrod is sized to the pistol barrel length. That arrangement would make a great deal of sense to me and would side-step the necessity of outfitting the weapon with a special, longer ramrod for the shot barrel, along with the details of mounting it to the gun in some manner.

I still want to "high end" it a bit, adding the half fore-stock pinned into position with wedges, the brass butt plate and patch box, and the brass long tube 4x scope. (Dixie has one with the scope, and the mounting brackets designed for octagon barrel mounting, in BRASS, for about $236.00, and it is just about the right length, comming in at 18".)

And who is to say, one way or the other, that one of those 200 was not modified after the fact into something very similar to what I would like to have?

But other than those "high end" additions, I will keep it as historically accurate as I can, with the dearth of information available on it.

Again, thanks for the POST !!! You have been ever so helpfull !!!

P.S., I am NOT implying anything with the anime cartoon pic, it's just a statement on male bonding and comraderie !!!

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x330/ElvinWarrior/l_359b6947aa053001751862886818ef47.gif

Sincerely,

ElvinWarrior... aka... David

StrawHat
April 3, 2011, 07:36 AM
ElvinWarrior ... But when you consider that a nice 44/50 or 44/70 Reproduction Trapdoor...

I am only aware of Trapdoors being offered in 45-70. Where have you seen those cartridges offered?

ElvinWarrior
April 3, 2011, 10:57 AM
Strawhat,

I may be mistaken about that one, I am not an expert in trapdoors, I just have a degree of fascination with them.

But I beleive, I saw that caliber offered on one of the major suppliers of such weapons, But for the life of me, I don't recall the actual name of the web page.

I surf the web alot, and visit diverse places, in my boundless and endless search for that "perfect" weapon to round out my modest private collection. I just don't remember which page, where, I picked up that impression from.

But I think, it was either someplace like CVA, or Hawkin, or perhaps even Thompson Centerfire. I do remember it was one of the smaller "off beat" suppliers, and, one of the more upscale pricey ones. I am also pretty sure it WAS NOT, a AUberti, Pietta or Pedersoli, altho, again, I am not positive about that, it may have been on the actual manufacturers page of one of those outfits, which don't sell to the open public, only to liscensed, certified distributors of their products. AND, all of those companies typically offer a wider selection of guns than the US distributorships carry, more models, and more variations, than what the US distributors carry as stock weapons in their off the shelf warehouses.

Like I said, I am not completely confident in my memory with respect to this issue, but I am pretty sure, that caliber is offered by a manufacturer, just not commonly carried by most distributors. In the cases of such odd, hard to find, but definately under current manufacture guns, it is generally necessary to order such guns as a special order item, going through one of their certified re-sellers, as a special order item. Most major resellers, such as Dixie, Emf, Cabella's. etc, will special order special guns, from their regular suppliers, at no additional cost, but at considerable delays in shipping.

Sorry I can't be completely clear, or resolute in my answer to you, but, I have to plead "bad memory" in this case.

Sincerely,

ElvinWarrior... aka... David

Fingers McGee
April 3, 2011, 02:13 PM
Allin Conversion Trapdoors were in 50-70, and later production models were in 45-70 that also used the 45-55 reduced load.

StrawHat
April 4, 2011, 06:03 AM
ElvinWarrior,

Not a problem, I understand about a failing memory.

A brief history lesson, (from memory.)

First Allin, Model 1865, 58 Rimfire

Second Allin Model 1866 50-70

Model 1868 and 1870 50-70

Model 1873 and beyond 45-70.

At the end, some experiments were conducted in 30 caliber perhaps 30 Gov't.

These were all Springfield Arsenal production. When the trapdoor got into the hands of a gunsmith, various cartridges could be fit into new barrels but the predominate cartridge was still the 45-70. Gemmer remodeled the TD to mimic the Hawken rifle using the original barrel and chambering. Today there are a couple of fellows rebarreling TD for cartridges such as the 38-55, 40-65 and 32-40 and restocking them. I have a 50-70 I rebuilt. Next build may be a smaller cartridge.

If you like history, check out

http://www.trapdoorcollector.com/

or

http://www.trapdoors.com/

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