Rifle in trunk


March 29, 2011, 02:36 AM
Now, I've been trying to figure out something that will "work for me" for some time. I want to keep a rifle in the trunk of my car but I do not like the idea of it being able to walk away if somebody decides to pop my lock.

I drive a BMW 330I and if you notice between the wheel wells there are two small "loops" you can make them out in the photo near the back. A AK sets perfectly between the wheel wells.

How "safe" do you think it would be to use a fairly thick (something that would need large bolt cutters or a torch) rubber coated chain and a quality padlock to secure the rifle in the trunk by running the chain through the mag well. Do you think the average thief in say a parkinglot somewhere would bother to even try to get at something like that if he got in to my trunk?

The car has a alarm so they would have to work fast.


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Brock Landers
March 29, 2011, 02:39 AM
What is the purpose of having this gun? Do you want to be able to access it quickly? Or just have it handy in case you feel like pulling over and firing some rounds off?

March 29, 2011, 02:50 AM
Mostly because from time to time I like sneaking away to the range and sometimes when I have the urge I dont have any rifles with me.

Another reasion is because in the not to distant future I will be going on my honey moon and I do not fill comfortable being 800 miles from home with a beretta m9 and 2 mags. I would like to have something that I could get to incase we got stuck in a katrina type situation or who knows what. I am not expecting this to be a quick access gun. More of a "if something starts looking kinda bad, grab and hide in a hotel room" sorta rifle. The chances are 1 in a million that I would ever have to need it but it would be nice to have just incase.

under the trunk the spare tire cover will make a great place to stash ammo and any other stuff for the rifle.

March 29, 2011, 03:36 AM
You might be able to bolt an electronic locking rack in there. Something like the police cars have. I've seen some with delay timers and key overrides. It would be secure and offer pretty quick acess.

Big sky racks makes good units.

Brian Williams
March 29, 2011, 07:57 AM
Get a good hard gun case and a good cable lock, I would not just carry a rifle loose in the trunk, no matter how clean you keep your trunk. Just think of the little old lady driving by or walking by while you change a flat tire, omg a gun and police would be all over you.

March 29, 2011, 08:11 AM
Don't keep it loaded if you drive to PA-it's illegal to posess a loaded rifle in a vehicle, even with a LTCF.


March 29, 2011, 10:20 AM
Get a good hard gun case and a good cable lock, I would not just carry a rifle loose in the trunk, no matter how clean you keep your trunk. Just think of the little old lady driving by or walking by while you change a flat tire, omg a gun and police would be all over you.

It's a 330I not a SUV so a hard case is out of the question, besides, I want to secure the rifle so unless its a aluminum case with a locking bar (to big for the trunk) I would not feel safe with a pastic case. I'm not sure what you mean by "cable lock" but if you are refering to the cable locks that loops through the reciever thats not going to do anything to keep the rifle in my trunk. The thief would just pick up the nice gun case and deal with the cable lock later at his own time.

I like the idea of one of the clam shell type locks but I really dont want to spend a whole lot of $$$ or modify my car in any way.

I have no problem with getting the police called on me, in a situation like that. The only laws I would be breaking would be telling the old lady that she can go fly a kite if she stuck around.

Not really worried about damageing the rifle, it will probably be that AK I "tested" not to long ago. I've got "collector guns" and "work guns" Anything that I would put in the trunk would not be in the best of condition to start with.

March 29, 2011, 12:46 PM
I don't know how stout those little metal loops in your trunk are, but I would bet that they are not very strong. You can put a naval anchor chain on your gun, but it will only be as secure as those wee little metal loops are.

March 29, 2011, 02:43 PM
I have the same car but a coupe (e46 Ci). I know what you mean about the hard case...I have only one (a small one) that I can barely wedge in the trunk.

A couple options...I also have an AK and I don't know if it's an option but have you tried to remove the spare and see if you can get it under the trunk floor? You could replace the full size spare with a doughnut. Might need to reinforce the trunk floor from underneath to hold luggage.

Also you could build/try to find a small box/covering that would fit in the trunk and hold the AK so it would be hidden from plain sight.

Another option would be to rig up a bracket/case that fits under the rear dash/deck. It would be in plain sight but only if you really got your head down low into the trunk and looked up.

March 29, 2011, 02:50 PM
I tried the spare tire, even with a folding stock theres not enough room.

I would love to mount it under the back window but I have the harman/kardon audio system option and there are two rather large speakers mounted back there.

March 29, 2011, 02:53 PM
I would love to mount it under the back window but I have the harman/kardon audio system option and there are two rather large speakers mounted back there.

Stick the gun to the magnets:rolleyes:

March 29, 2011, 02:54 PM
Something to think about is what the reaction of LEO's or others when they learn / find the AK in the trunk. Like it or lump it, preconceptions matter.

March 29, 2011, 02:57 PM
How about a fake subwoofer box? No speakers, just grills with something black and opaque behind them to hide the holes. The crappier the enclosure looks, the less likely a thief would want to take it (no carpet, scrap wood, lousy paint job, etc.).

edit: no holes, just paint black behind the grills (duh).

March 29, 2011, 03:02 PM
Well you can tell I've never tried to secure my AK in my trunk haha. I have the same HK audio system.

Now we are getting crazy but a determined and creative person could rig up some sort of false floor. Basically build a new floor that is a few inches higher than the original one. Covered with similar carpet, lined with foam with cutouts for rifle and mags. The execution would depend on your DIY skills and what the trunk would allow.

March 29, 2011, 03:23 PM
I actually thought about a false floor. My mustang has a false floor with two 12's inside, a 1000 watt amp and the nitrous setup on top.

The problem with the BMW is to make it look "right" you would have to find a way to raise those plastic trays on the sides, trim and fit the side carpets and you would have issues getting to the battery after the fact. I think it could be made to look "right" but were talking about alot of work.

The fake sub box is out of the question, its a BMW not a toyota camry.

You could just raise the center pannel but you would have a 1 inch or so gap around the whole bottom, somebody would spot that in a second.

I really dont care if you can see the rifle, I just want it secure.

Why are some of you so afraid of the police seeing you with a ak in the trunk? its NOT like you have done any thing wrong. The WORSE that will happin is you will get questioned. Big deal......

March 29, 2011, 03:31 PM
The fake sub box is out of the question, its a BMW not a toyota camry

Or a Mustang :neener:.

March 29, 2011, 03:54 PM
Think about a 3/8" eye bolt with a steel plate at the underside for strength. A heavy bike/hitch lock or chain to secure the AK to it. (Be careful where you drill).

March 29, 2011, 04:54 PM
Hey, my mustang is a mexican block 347 stroker on nitrous. Not your average mustang.


March 29, 2011, 05:00 PM
Here's what I'm thinking. A 1/4" coated chain or a bicycle cable lock could be anchored to one or both of the loops with a shackle. Get one that the bolt is screwed in, not held in with a pin. Get that bolt tight and use some Loctite if you wish. I'd also get a soft case to cover the weapon, mostly to keep dust and crap out of it.

If you can, get a look under the carpet to see just how those loops are anchored to your trunk. If you're that worried about it getting stolen, run a dry test and see if you can rip it out, or at least if it moves. You don't go climbing with unproven rope, don't trust your firearm to unproven fasteners.

March 29, 2011, 05:10 PM
Hey, my mustang is a mexican block 347 stroker on nitrous. Not your average mustang.

Mexican Mustang huh?

Why is it sweating?


VT Deer Hunter
March 29, 2011, 05:13 PM
That sounds good.

March 29, 2011, 05:14 PM
I think that they are obsessing about a case, or other hiding method because they, like myself, don't like guns being pointed at them and going into cuffs. When cops hear the word gun they go on edge, and that often results in more than just simple questioning, even if you are completely in the clear legally.

March 29, 2011, 05:21 PM
bolt an electronic locking rack in there

They beat up the firearm. We have weapons stored in a few trunks and they are contained in a Pelican case. Anything else really beats up the gun and maintenance requirements really soar. all in all it isn't a great method for long term storage.

Bolting anything to the interior of a vehicle is far from secure. Today the usual method for securing any firearm inside a vehicle is usually to the shield/roll bar. They are securely bolted to the floor. Some use racks bolted to the floor but they present many obstacles with today's consoles. We don't really concern ourselves with resale or cutting up the car to mount gear. don't know if someone would want to do that to their own personal car that will eventually be sold.

March 29, 2011, 05:53 PM
Another thought is change the firearm. If you want high capacity that's easy to hide then maybe consider something like the Kel-tec Sub2000 folding carbine (pistol caliber but can accept 30+ round mags).

That would fit in the spare tire well I would imagine. Swap out the full size spare for a doughnut and I bet the S2K would fit even inside a case.

If you just want the AK back there to do some occasional stopping off at the range I would store it in a soft case and and at least cover it under some blankets etc to avoid someone IDing it with the trunk open.

Being smart about who knows you have it, not allowing people to watch you put it in and out of the vehicle at home, etc could be just as important as bolting it to the car.

March 29, 2011, 07:14 PM
See the problem with the soft case is the gun cannot be secured.

The gun that I am going to be using will be that POS weld build AK that I torture tested a while back. I'm not worried about rust, scratches, dirt, or damage of any kind. I just do NOT want it to get out of that trunk.

Those tie downs are secure, they are part of the cars sub frame. I used to work for BMW as a tech and we worked on a lowered 325 that somebody stole the wheels off of while the owner was on vacation. The thiefs dropped the car on the rotors. The owner used a spreader bar like you would use to pull a engine and a cherry picker to pick the car off the ground by those loops to put the factory wheels back on the rear of the car. If they can support the weight of the back half of the car I suspect that a thief is not going to be able to rip them off.

My plan so far is to run a chain through the mag well and use two pad locks, one on each loop to secure it. Toss a blanket over it and I should be fine unless somebody could come up with a better idea.

Black Knight
March 29, 2011, 09:37 PM
What type of rifle are you considering? Are you looking at an AR-15 or one of its variants? If so check out some police supply dealers for an in trunk gunrack. They lock and can be opened with a handcuff key or by an electric switch. There is one for a shotgun that bolts up under the rear deck in the trunk

March 29, 2011, 11:22 PM
What type of rifle are you considering? Are you looking at an AR-15 or one of its variants? If so check out some police supply dealers for an in trunk gunrack. They lock and can be opened with a handcuff key or by an electric switch. There is one for a shotgun that bolts up under the rear deck in the trunk

I really did not want to modify the car. The main rifle that am considering using is a beater AK that I own.

March 29, 2011, 11:36 PM
if it was me. i would look into a pelican type case that fits between the wheel wells. then cutting the bottom out to thread the chain though the inside of the case and ak. not sure were you live but here on the wi mi border you have a requirement to have the rifle cased in the trunk. also even though you think the trunk is clean you will be surprised what will get into a rifle just flopping around in the trunk under a lint maker like a blanket. as some one who traveled around the lower 48 for work and carried a rifle around just in case. leos tend to respond better to a bolt action then an AK. i used to carry around a m38 mosin nagant with 80 rounds of ammo. if i did lose it i had less then 70 bucks in the whole batch. i was more worried about confiscation then theft. i had no illusions of being rambo. if tshtf i am going to be a rabbit. with the m38 when the ammo ran out i had a good club. thought about an m44 but the whole attached bayonet bit was a problem in some places. the law means nothing till you are in front of a judge. with a leo on the street the law is what the leo thinks the law is. while you will win in court it may take a bit to get your day. having been cuffed and stuffed waiting for a decision from the DA's office that i was in fact not breaking the law makes me think a little bit more about being with in the letter of the law when out of my home area. for the record most leo were never a problem but twice i was unlucky and got officer wrong.

March 30, 2011, 12:11 AM
I would be concerned about getting rust on the rifle.

March 30, 2011, 01:24 PM
I was under the impression if they arrested you with out a real reasion you could sue the PD. If I end up in cuffs I will just lawyer up and cause as much damage as I can to the local economy.

I think some of you are worring way to much. By the posts I am getting you would think we were in england. Last time I checked it is legal to own a rifle, it is legal to carry a rifle, and it is legal to transport a rifle in my trunk. Legally, there is no difference between carrying my semi-automatic AK-47 clone in my trunk, and someone carrying a bolt action or a shotgun.

By the reasearch I have done I will not be passing through any places that have any sort of mag ban or assault rifle restriction. The only place I will have a issue with is GA because they dont honor my CCW permit, I'll just trunk the M9.

Not to worried about rust with this rifle:D Its rustolium coated now so I'm good.

March 30, 2011, 01:53 PM
A simple lock for the AK would be to have a couple pieces of 3/16 or 1/4 mild steel welded into a tee shape with a 3/8 hole in the end. Slip it through the space between the barrel and the gas cylinder in front of the hand guard and lock it into a chain or cable fastened to the car.

March 30, 2011, 02:06 PM
Try something a little smaller for your car. Depending on what you are carrying it for, this should get the job done.

March 30, 2011, 03:03 PM
Why don't you just lock your trunk? chris3

March 30, 2011, 04:35 PM
Just lock the trunk? you do know it only takes a thief abot 15 seconds to pop the lock on your average trunk? A trunk lock is only going to keep out a 14 year old.

I do like the idea of the lock between the gas piston and barrel, a thief is not going to hand around to dissasemble the rifle to get it out of that bracket.

March 30, 2011, 05:51 PM
You might consider a heavier cable instead of a chain. When you cut through cables, the individual wires pop out and make a mess that tends to slow people down.

That'd leave your weak point the lock. I guess a good Buffalo style lock (rounded, shrouded most of the hasp) would work, though I really don't think any style padlock is very secure.

March 30, 2011, 08:31 PM
I like X-Rap's idea, or the one with a pelican case secured to the floor. X-Rap's idea is good for simplicity, and real compactness. I have to say something like a gun sock might not be a bad idea to keep crud out of the barrel. For X-Rap's idea, slip the sock on, then cut it where the lock goes.

Or you could tape over the barrel, I'm just not sure how well that would stay on long term.

Either way, if you are worried about people seeing a gun when you open the trunk, just toss an old blanket on top. It's what I did all the time, going along the lines of "out of sight, out of mind."

March 30, 2011, 09:45 PM
Make a flat box out of plywood cover in the same carpet as your car and cut it to fit in the trunk it will only need to be a couple inches thick. totally unnoticeable if you do it right

March 30, 2011, 10:46 PM
A lot of these "free" gun locks are cable type now, and a cable locked rifle, with cable thru the action, would definitely slow down a pop and grab. It would also slow down YOUR use of the gun, but security comes with a price. I have a folding AK, and compromise between security and concealment in my vehicle. It has a little of both, but still gives me reasonable access. My rifle is also Norrell coated, and is pretty resistent to rust, etc. http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/matquig/DSC05447.jpg

Jim Watson
March 30, 2011, 10:54 PM
Even an AK, I would put in a soft case with "buttonholes" to pass the chain through.

March 30, 2011, 11:08 PM
Could you mount a metal case to the trunk lid? There should be some sturdy mount holes behind your tool kit, and you can just stick the tools with the spare tire. From what I remember, my former 528i trunk lid was wide enough for a short hard case. You probably also have room for a similar setup on the ceiling of the trunk, although I can't remember if the ceiling can support any weight.

March 30, 2011, 11:14 PM
I think an LEO would need a reason, AND a warrant to enter a locked trunk. I have never been asked to open my trunk on a routine traffic stop, nor would I agree to without a warrant. I don't mind if a cop does his job; I'm just not going to do it FOR him. :neener:

Lou McGopher
March 30, 2011, 11:36 PM
How about, instead of a false floor, make a false seat back? From the picture, it looks like there would be less fitting to deal with. Hold the false back in place with some simple color matching straps (could be as simple as velcro), perhaps. You'd still need a way to secure the gun... might need to cut or drill through the carpet so you can weld or bolt a steel loop or hook through which you'd run a 4-ga cable.

March 31, 2011, 12:01 AM
There are some states that require rifles being carried in cars to be locked in hard cases. Off hand I don't recall where they are, but there are more than a few of them. I think Illinois is one. A little legal research would be in order before you head out across the country. I don't think a BMW trunk qualifies as a hard case!

March 31, 2011, 11:09 AM
This is another situation in which where you live makes all the difference. I often have an uncased AR or other pistol,rifle or shotgun carried openly in my vehicle and have been through routine traffic stops in which the presence of the gun barely rates mention. I the trunk so long as you are following the laws I wouldn't worry, if a case is required get one that can be zipped from either end and zip to the cable from both sides.

March 31, 2011, 04:28 PM
Just go with your idea. I think it's perfect. I laughed out loud at the Rustolium comment.

March 31, 2011, 08:58 PM
Here are the pics, told ya I used rustolium. Actually, if you want to get technical I also plasti coated it over top of the rustolium. That is the same rife used in the torture test videos, just with a differen stock setup.

The gun stays secure but just incase I will remove that tray and attach a bungie under it that I can attach to the rear sling attachment.

March 31, 2011, 09:13 PM
Maybe you could look into getting one of those kel-tec folding rifles. they use .223 and accept AR mags so if you were in a shtf situation at least you would be able to get ammo fairly easy. Not the greatest rifle from what I hear but better than nothing. or you could get something in a bullpup set up.

March 31, 2011, 09:24 PM
I hate kel tecs, If I was going to do that I'd toss a AR back there.

I actally built a AR for the car (that will replace the ak soon) but I gave away the hammer spring out of it to a buddy who cut and ruined his. He's got to get me a new one before I can put it in the trunk. It's a 11.5 pinned, colt upper (cut down car-15) and a bushmaster lower. It's got a bushmaster NM trigger, KAC rails, KAC VFG, troy battle ax, and a magpul CTR.

March 31, 2011, 09:40 PM
with this whole exercise. You are afraid any person on the street WILL break into your car every time you are away from it. You better reevaluate where you go and hang out. You drive a BMW. They shout "steal me"......Are you dealing drugs or something else illegal? chris3

March 31, 2011, 09:49 PM
It's not that I hang out anywhere "bad" I hate that type of people with a passion. The worse place I hang out is a bar at saturday night with some friends. I have experiance with busted trunk locks so I play it safe if I keep a gun in the car.

Actually I've been "unemployed" for the last couple years, Used to be a mechanic. Technically I am "self employed" atleast thats why I am paying the %15 a year self employment tax. My business is legal, licensed, and I pay sales taxes every month.

March 31, 2011, 10:10 PM
A few issues back American Rifleman had an ad for a shotgun lock that locked around the grip with a key lock, then if I remember correctly you could bolt it somewhere. Looked pretty sturdy, I'll try to find it.

If you want to take your words literally, Bolt it to some ply wood with some heavy duty clamps, then store the tools, preferably a mini impact hammer, because they're just bad ass, with the proper socket for the bolts and wrench, inside the vehicle.

March 31, 2011, 11:26 PM
Eh, its fine for now. I did not really want to modify the car in any way. Messing with plyboard and trying to rig something up is just a PITA if you want it to work and look "right". Never really liked the "mounted under the deck lid" setup either. To easy for people to spot when you pop the trunk and its hard on the trunk struts. Like it is is ideal with a blanket or something tossed on top of it.

The AR I will probably lay longways and use two cable locks for it. Thinking about adding a small .22 also. I really like the .22 cricket rifls and AR7's.

April 1, 2011, 03:49 AM
I know you wont want to here this but the best idea to mod the rig is move out of that stupid state.

Sebastian the Ibis
April 1, 2011, 08:24 AM
Your set up looks good, but I'd be very leery of a loaded Ak pointed at my back as I drove around. I hope you keep the chamber empty.

Also, I'd get a flower box or something innocuous in case you needed to move it quick. Think about when you are going to need to go to your car, get a gun, go back and shoot something v. getting in your car and driving away. There are not many scenarios I can envision, however most of them would involve a flower box. Active shooter at my office: I would not want to me running through the parking lot with a rusty AK as the police arrive.

April 1, 2011, 09:39 AM
First with E36, E46 and the current 3 series E90/E92 there are issues with rear subframe failure. The trunk area is not the strongest area to be cutting and welding. Modify or welding and cutting an E46 trunk area not recommended.

For your honeymoon I am assuming going 800 miles puts you in a different state. First thing you need to do is make sure you are legal and in compliance with all laws of any state you are traveling through if you bring your rifle along.

Get real a Katrina type situation. How many Katrina like situations have happened in US in your lifetime? First do you know when hurricane season is in your area or tornado season. Odds of Katrina type situation are slim to none. Better chance that your new wife will come to her senses and runaway with the cashier at the first gas station you stop at. Or that you meet Elvis. If you are really concerned about Operations Security. First get a rental car driving even an older BMW makes you a target. BGs figure you have money. Buy a cheap Timex and leave your expensive watch at home. Same with any jewelry. Leave the pinky ring and gold chains at home. Buy your wifey to be a nice looking CZ engagement ring and have her leave any diamonds etc at home. Dress like you just left your trailer park and are heading to Wally World for shopping and entertainment. If you are staying at better hotels and resorts why worry just go to the bar. If you are going some place that sketchy that you are concerned or driving through places that sketchy you need to be well armed just in case you should be flying or going some place safer.

Also you need to change your rifle of choice to something that folds up and then do a google and some research. There are firms that can build you concealed storage if you can afford it.

And finally why are you driving 800+ miles for your honeymoon? Man save your money and fly. 12 hours driving each way is no way to start a vacation or honeymoon. I like to drive but I really wouldnt want to arrive a vacation all frazzled from the road and lose two days of vacation driving. And your wife will be in a better mood too. Back in college I used to make the run to Daytona for 24 hours in way under 10 hours and Sebring in about 12hrs. Road Atlanta in under 7hrs. All from NOVA.

Where is your starting location and where are you going?

Va herder

April 1, 2011, 01:24 PM
I know you wont want to here this but the best idea to mod the rig is move out of that stupid state.

WTH all you talking about? VA has some of the best gun laws.

Katrina or not I've been in the middle of a gang riot before and that was bad enough. I hope I never need to go after a rifle but if I have to I'll be glad that its there. Remember, people will go feral in 24 hours if you take away there basics needs.

Alot of people on here have trunk guns, the only difference between me and anyone else is I am taking a extra step so that it takes longer to steal my rifle than it would if they broke in to another trunk.

BTW. the gun is unloaded, the loaded mags are up front.

I checked in to the rantal costs, it was nearly $1000 not including gas or mileage for the time that we were going for. Taking a plane was out of the question because we have about 5 citys were stoping at in all. Since none of my cars do good with baby seats (very soon) and I needed a 4 door any way buying the car was a good move IMHO.

April 21, 2011, 10:23 PM
my tbss is a mustang killer

April 22, 2011, 01:39 PM
If it is legal for you to have a unloaded rifle in the truck, lock it like you discussed and then buy a $10 black bath towel to cover it. From a distance, or even fairly close, the black towel will blend into the truck. Just don't lock up a rifle that is irreplacable (ie gradpappy's old fill in the blank). If a cop finds it back there and it's legal you have nothing to worry about. Alternatively, put it in a guitar case and leave it back there. Do you really need to lock it up? Also, you could buy some sort of breakdown rifle put that in a smaller case and then lock that up. To me, this doesn't seem to be a complicated issue.

April 23, 2011, 10:06 PM
Get a handgun

April 23, 2011, 10:59 PM
Get a handgun

Most of us carrying rifles or shotguns in vehicles have the handgun aspect covered. We're looking for superior firepower if the need arises. We'll use our handguns to cover us until we can get to the trunk or behind the seat.

To the OP:

Why so worried about someone getting into your trunk? Unless they know what's in there, probably not gonna bother. As a career mechanic of a decade and a half, I've been in the trunks of hundreds upon hundreds of different cars in affluent communities. Only very rarely is there anything of value in them (usually golf clubs). I doubt this fact is lost on a thief. Keep valuables out of sight, and the only reason they'll break in at all is to steal the whole car, in which case it won't matter how secure the rifle is.

My work truck is a '90 Commanche 2wd. It's in really good shape, but doesn't look the type of vehicle in which there'd be anything worth stealing. I keep a cut down Remington M11 behind the seat in a hard case, and usually don't even bother locking. Of course, in my rural community, it's commonplace to see a truck in front of a store, windows down, keys in the ignition, dog in the bed. I would bet nearly half the vehicles out here have a gun on board, but theft is extremely rare. It's just that kind of place :)

April 24, 2011, 09:58 AM
Sell the beamer and buy A truck!

Jungle George
April 24, 2011, 01:13 PM
Here is what I did I have a car that the back seat folds down. I took a 1/4" plywood made a a space between my back seat with my speakers inside the space I covered it with the same carpet as the back. I fold down the back seat and put my cased, unloaded AR15 carbine in there with three 30 rd. mags. It is legal in most states I don't carry it for immediate use, I carry it so I can get home if shtf and the public goes nuts (which they are almost there) I also carry a pistol but if you think you can make it home with and handgun walking good luck to you, and you may be, could be a simple thing like gas going to $11.00 a gal.
I also have other items in the trunk first aid kit, rolled up blanket with knife, fire starter and compass in it. Anyone looking in the trunk looks at these items and thinks nothing unusual. I have concealed the tabs that let the back seat down. I have had several friends look at it and I tell them do you see anything unusal about my trunk? No one has figured it out yet. Hope this helps.

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