Ammo Prices going up april 1st - are you buying more now?


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Iftrue
March 29, 2011, 09:54 PM
So, apparently ammo prices are going up April 1st due to copper shortages, which means shooting will be more expensive than ever. I've been considering getting a press forever, but I just can't justify the time effort and cost right now to go ahead and do it.

So what are you guys doing? Hand-loading more? Buying huge bulk now? I actually setup a website for myself to do live ammo-price scanning at ammoscanner.com (http://www.ammoscanner.com), and there are other sites that do the same thing but aren't real time or require users to put in info.

I'm wondering if it's worth it to buy a huge bulk right now and sell to my friends when they run out...:cool:

P.S:
I'd really like feedback on the site via PM or at the contact link on the site. I've made it my side project for now, and working on it is pretty fun.

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Mags
March 29, 2011, 09:56 PM
I'm not spreading hysteria that will drive up demand and dry up supplies.

What are you doing about it?

marineimaging
March 29, 2011, 10:02 PM
I've started reloading everything I shoot from .30-06 to .380. I've been experimenting with different versions of lead as I can get 500 rnds for the price of 185 JHP's. I still keep a box of Hornady or GD HP's and Speer and Sierra SPBT's for the 06. Will my guns get dirtier and need more cleaning using the lead? Of course. But, I never exptected shooting to be a clean sport.

One-Time
March 29, 2011, 10:03 PM
If you got this infor from 411man or whatever name he goes by now, ignore it...Im convinced he works for the ammo industry and likes spreading mistruths

ColtPythonElite
March 29, 2011, 10:06 PM
Who says ammo is going up on April 1st?.......Sure, everything in the world seems to be going up, but what makes April 1st the day that all the various ammo makers/suppliers are going to raise their prices?

Tom609
March 29, 2011, 10:08 PM
I agree ... hysteria and fear always work in their favor. Let's start a rumor that a major copper vein was discovered in Peru. Pass it on.

mgregg85
March 29, 2011, 10:13 PM
Would this be an early april fools prank?

ColtPythonElite
March 29, 2011, 10:14 PM
Or how about a "don't shoot any bullets day"....That'll really scare the ammo makers into lowering prices. It always seems to work well when people do the don't buy gas for a day gig.

heron
March 29, 2011, 10:14 PM
April first . . . is someone going to be fooled?

I haven't even touched the stuff I've bought in the last six months.

SWAT1911
March 29, 2011, 10:17 PM
I think I heard about that copper vein in Peru on the news the other day. :)

jcwit
March 29, 2011, 10:17 PM
Anyone see what lead ingots are going for at the gun showes?

Last saterday 3/26/11 lead was selling for $1.00 a lb. This was range lead poured into ingots.

Robert
March 29, 2011, 10:42 PM
What is the source of this information? Can you cite it please?

royal barnes
March 29, 2011, 11:08 PM
Haven't heard anything about April 1 but the ammo we have been getting into the store for the last couple of months has cost us less from the wholesaler and we have lowered our prices accordingly.

Hoth206
March 29, 2011, 11:16 PM
I have to keep up on metals prices for work. Yes, copper is up (as are other metals), but it's just coming out of a lower period. Fluctuations in metal happen all the time, but I still believe that we're working off of excess supply on ammo, which should offset raw materials cost for a while.

Geckgo
March 29, 2011, 11:17 PM
How did you hear about the mine in Peru???? TELL ME, that's supposed to be a SECRET!!!

DoubleTapDrew
March 29, 2011, 11:20 PM
Lets start another buying frenzy, I miss $600 cases of wolf :banghead:

ColtPythonElite
March 29, 2011, 11:26 PM
In all fairness, at least MBC told us they were raising their prices....I got 2k in the mail today to beat the increase.

B yond
March 29, 2011, 11:29 PM
what am I doing about it? I'm buying another shotgun.

SpaceFrank
March 29, 2011, 11:30 PM
They found a copper vein in Peru? Wow, that'll help out nicely along with the recently increased lead supply from Africa!

BleysAhrens
March 29, 2011, 11:37 PM
Well I heard the price of .40S&W, 38 Special, and .357 magnum will all be real low due to finding civil war surplus spam cans... about 2 million of them. How cool is that? Smokeless and none corrosive.. :rolleyes:

B yond
March 29, 2011, 11:41 PM
Stay away from my copper! It's all mine!

preciousssssss copperrrrrrrrrrr, all mineeee...

Gordon_Freeman
March 30, 2011, 12:03 AM
I heard this rumor in February that prices were supposed to go way up in March.

UpTheIrons
March 30, 2011, 12:16 AM
What is the source of this information? Can you cite it please?

Natchez has PDF files listing the increases (and how much they are) from Winchester, Hornady, and ATK posted on their site right here: http://www.natchezss.com/customerService.cfm?contentID=ammoPriceIncreases

Looks like you have until May 1 to get all your orders in, but some stuff will start going up Friday.

merlinfire
March 30, 2011, 10:59 AM
Self fulfilling prophecies start like this.

"Everyone, prices are gonna go up on X (ammo, gasoline, etc)! Better buy it cheap while you can!"

*everyone runs to the store and buys as much of X as they can carry. due to the spike in demand, prices rise*

"Told you so!"

HGUNHNTR
March 30, 2011, 11:04 AM
Ah, who cares if prices go up. Big deal, who doesn't have some extra cash sitting around anyway. Does anyone have cable TV, drink coffee, smoke cigarretes, drink alcohol, consume junk food? If you answered yes to any of the above, you have no reason to complain.
An ammo price increase just might help you to watch less television, smoke less, drink less, and lose weight. Sounds like a good deal!

clamman
March 30, 2011, 11:05 AM
OMG I better run as fast as I can to the corner payday lending store, get a month's advance and RUSH to wally world and wipe 'em out!:neener:

DynamicPrecision
March 30, 2011, 11:08 AM
Ammo will keep going up just like everything else. No worse than fuel or ice cream.

bruzer
March 30, 2011, 11:12 AM
Funny how two months ago the Local Gun Store said "AMMO IS GOING UP THE FIRST OF THE MONTH!!!" Well it has been two months and I have not seen the ammo go up yet. But guarantee if we keep freaking out it will eventually go up. But to be honest, with the gas prices going up this much, EVERYTHING WILL BE GOING UP!!!
Mike

Robert
March 30, 2011, 11:21 AM
Uptheirons,
Thanks for that information.

youngda9
March 30, 2011, 11:38 AM
This is the earliest april fools joke so far this year.

I re-load everything and shoot lead cast bullets since their the cheapest.

feedthehogs
March 30, 2011, 01:06 PM
All I see is falling prices as dealers and manufacturers with excess inventory tries to get rid of it.

seanie!
March 30, 2011, 01:47 PM
Thank you for using such an announcement to plug your website.

IMARMED45ACP
March 30, 2011, 01:49 PM
So, apparently ammo prices are going up April 1st due to copper shortages, which means shooting will be more expensive than ever. I've been considering getting a press forever, but I just can't justify the time effort and cost right now to go ahead and do it.

So what are you guys doing? Hand-loading more? Buying huge bulk now? I actually setup a website for myself to do live ammo-price scanning at ammoscanner.com (http://www.ammoscanner.com), and there are other sites that do the same thing but aren't real time or require users to put in info.

I'm wondering if it's worth it to buy a huge bulk right now and sell to my friends when they run out...:cool:

P.S:
I'd really like feedback on the site via PM or at the contact link on the site. I've made it my side project for now, and working on it is pretty fun.
I'm buying bulk, I usually get my ammo from the Sportsman's Guide®. Right now they got Russian 45acp for $75(250RDS), .22LR $.04¢ per round, and Nobel Sport 00buck $151(250RDS). If you join there club you get better savings! I'm always getting $5/$10 coupons, and free shipping. The deal now is spend $99, and get a free $25 gift card! Plus you have an option to make 4 equal payments; on credit card orders over $150. This is one company I firmly believe is the best out there.

22-rimfire
March 30, 2011, 02:46 PM
I have no idea if prices are going up in April or December. I continue to buy as either I can or I need it. What will be will be.....

earlthegoat2
March 30, 2011, 03:06 PM
Well I heard ammo prices are going to go up tomorrow so you bette do all your panic buying a day early.

Or wait, was it.....no....right.....it was yesterday. Quick start getting more ammo and reloading compenents starting yesterday.

towboat_er
March 30, 2011, 03:09 PM
I'm pretty well stocked. No panic buying here.

RhinoDefense
March 30, 2011, 03:16 PM
Thank you for using such an announcement to plug your website.
Yup, that's what it read like to me as well.

HGUNHNTR
March 30, 2011, 04:33 PM
22LR $.04¢ per round

Highly unlikely.

armoredman
March 30, 2011, 05:03 PM
Got some more lead waiting for me in Phoenix when I get up there. Fire up the pot, and get to casting, got primers and powder for quite a while, thanks.

T Slothrop
March 30, 2011, 05:10 PM
Well I heard the price of .40S&W, 38 Special, and .357 magnum will all be real low due to finding civil war surplus spam cans... about 2 million of them. How cool is that? Smokeless and none corrosive.. :rolleyes:
"Smokeless and none corrosive.."

The spam or the cans? :D

nwilliams
March 30, 2011, 05:15 PM
So, apparently ammo prices are going up April 1st due to copper shortages, which means shooting will be more expensive than ever. I've been considering getting a press forever, but I just can't justify the time effort and cost right now to go ahead and do it.

Ammo is going up in price April 1st? Says who?

Making such a statement without any proof to back up such claims is exactly what causes ammo prices to go up, due to unsubstantiated rumors and panic buying.

ObsidianOne
March 30, 2011, 05:36 PM
Good news guys, they just discovered that California is actually one giant copper deposit, and directly below the copper is billions of gallons of crude oil. They plan to use California as a giant industrial area, it's state government and law body are going to be disassembled and it's citizens relocated. Experts say gas will be down to a nickel a gallon, ammo will drop incredibly, oh and there's going to be a lot of tobacco farms, now that the tobacco taxes have been removed. Smokes are .25 cents a pack again.

giggitygiggity
March 30, 2011, 05:46 PM
Do not panic. I think we all learned what panics do when people feared Obama would take away guns and ammo. Prices soared through the roof and people hoarded everything. Just continue doing things as normal. Do not drive the demand up so high that the supply dwindles and stores gouge us.

VaGunNut
March 30, 2011, 05:47 PM
Fools Day. Means fools will be doing stupid things like raising ammo prices. Seems fitting.

marineimaging
March 30, 2011, 08:56 PM
All probable. Doesn't change the fact that I am going to continue reloading because I enjoy the technical aspects of a challenge like this and because my cost is substantially less than any equal products. When I load lead rounds the cost of WWB is not much different but I can control quite a few factors with powder type, OAL, and crimp and build according to the gun I am shooting. (Carbine vs pistol, both 9mm). Things you can't do with commercially loaded ammo. I can also load 9mm 115 gr for a .380 with great results which means less mix and more match. However, when you load JHP rounds which have a better ballistic coefficient than LRN's, then you have to compare the cost of commercial JHP's with your reloads. The cost difference is significant.

carbuncle
April 1, 2011, 01:29 AM
What I'm not going to do is freak out and blown my gas bill money on cases of WWB in every caliber they make...so what, it's going up a buck? News flash: over time, stuff costs more. BTW, my Wal-mart is stocked full, I just bought a box of Federal .40 tonight (one box, yes) for $14.99.

ghostwriter
April 1, 2011, 01:40 AM
I'm going to build a spent bullet recovery machine and travel to all the ranges, dig thru their berms and recycle all the lead and copper... what do you think, that should drive the ammo prices down even more, especially now that discovered that extra tonnage of copper in Peru.

HGUNHNTR
April 1, 2011, 10:44 AM
Guess what, gas is going up too...gasp.....

Can anybody explain why it matters if ammo goes up 10%?

xfyrfiter
April 1, 2011, 10:57 AM
BTW from the sportsman guide website, 2500 rounds of remmy thunderbolt for <$98, comes to $.0388 per round.

Mecanik
April 1, 2011, 11:21 AM
Ammo prices have been going up since the first time a caveman picked up a rock to throw it at someone. It's will be going up Apr 1st, May 1st, June 1st July 1st, etc etc etc We can count on it.

HGUNHNTR
April 1, 2011, 11:51 AM
Ammo prices have been going up since the first time a caveman picked up a rock to throw it at someone.
I can still pick up a rock in my neighborhood free of charge. :)

mgmorden
April 1, 2011, 11:57 AM
Ah, who cares if prices go up. Big deal, who doesn't have some extra cash sitting around anyway. Does anyone have cable TV, drink coffee, smoke cigarretes, drink alcohol, consume junk food?

The rest I agree with, but the junk food is a bit misleading. In an unfortunate twist of fate, if you want just about any variety in your diet (one cannot live off oatmeal alone), typically unhealthy "junk food" tends to be cheaper compared to healthier alternatives.

That said, most of this talk about "Ammo is going up on XYZ date." is foolish to begin with. If there was a specific KNOWN reason why prices would go up, then they would already BE up. That's the way a market works. Everything else is just idle speculation. Sometimes that idle speculation can end up being a self fulfilling prophecy (ie, you SAY "the price is going up", people buy to avoid the price increase, and then the increased demand to avoid a price increase . . . creates a price increase), but outside of that, it's just guesswork.

22-rimfire
April 1, 2011, 12:21 PM
If there was a specific KNOWN reason why prices would go up, then they would already BE up.

This is true. Like gasoline, if a local dealer has to pay more to replenish their inventory, they are usually going to raise prices on existing inventory to cover the spread. The reverse is where the problem comes in... charge a higher price because you paid more or drop your price to match new supply cost to clear out the inventory and move on.

HGUNHNTR
April 1, 2011, 08:38 PM
The rest I agree with, but the junk food is a bit misleading. In an unfortunate twist of fate, if you want just about any variety in your diet (one cannot live off oatmeal alone), typically unhealthy "junk food" tends to be cheaper compared to healthier alternatives.



You certainly don't need junk food for variety, there's more to eat than oatmeal. It is unfortunate that ready to eat crap is the cheapest. I have a tremendously diverse diet and I haven't eaten processed food for a decade.

If there was a specific KNOWN reason why prices would go up, then they would already BE up. Folks know that eventually they we be without power if only for a brief period of time, yet still fail to prepare/

doubleh
April 1, 2011, 09:24 PM
Today I bought some Winchester 22 mag at Wally World. It was the same price it was last week.

St.Zu
April 1, 2011, 11:38 PM
I bought some 5.45 hollow points today at Cheaper than Dirt. Same price as Monday. However I did find out they are discontinuing the Tula hollowpoints. I guess my reasons for going to CTD are over. Good thing Cabelas opens up next week!

Ignition Override
April 1, 2011, 11:53 PM
Iftrue: Bought a case of x39 a month ago, as my supply of x39 was <3,000 rds. Not buying any ammo for a while.
There are no price increases that I can spot on "Ammoseek.com".

Having just just checked for the lowest-priced thirty choices (real, not tng. ammo) .303, .308, 7.62x39 and 7.62x54R,
the prices seem to be exactly as they were not only last summer, but the new Russian-made 7.62x39 is about the same as in July of '08.:)
Prvi .303 seems to be about the same as one year ago.:)

Maybe ammo being produced right now could go up a little bit, but commodities have already gone up months ago.

Some people were told by retailers/distributors in early March that prices would really go up in May, i.e. 15-20%.
With consumer gasoline prices up during a weak economy, other than being caused by a consumer panic, how could the present cost of living and unemployment sustain ammo prices 15-20% higher?

As for what fraction of total ammo costs represents fuel, does anybody know?:confused:

gym
April 2, 2011, 11:23 AM
Besides my comcast, cellphone, gas, food and everything else went up except our wages. This is the second time comcast tried to raise us this year, I call and tell them, if you don't put it back to where it was, I'm gone, then you loose the entire thing, 'close to $200.00 per month for phone internet and tv. It's the same with all of them. They try to sneak it through, if you don't speak up, they get you. Ammo will be similar, write a letter of just drop an email to the manufacturer, just tell them it's a shame you will be shooting less now, because of what they did, 'if they do it"

UpTheIrons
April 2, 2011, 12:43 PM
Uptheirons,
Thanks for that information.

You're welcome. Looks like not too many others in this thread read it, though... :banghead:

UpTheIrons
April 2, 2011, 12:47 PM
To those of you who keep insisting that the coming increase in ammo & component prices is some kind of April Fool's joke, I refer you back to my post from 3/29, which has links to letters (NOT rumors - actual letters) from three major manufacturers on what will go up in cost and when.

Even those of us who reload are going to take part of the hit - not just those who buy factory ammo.

See the link here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=7207345&postcount=23

Mags
April 2, 2011, 01:25 PM
UpTheIrons, whether or not your post is true or not what did you want everyone to do?

Buy up all the ammo before April 1st?

Create a new "buying panic" that will drive prices up more than they would have?

What "productive goodness" comes from spreading such truths?

By the way it's April 2nd and it looks like ammo is still pretty reasonable at other places besides Natchez.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/308-762-ammo.php

http://palmettostatearmory.com/223-556-ammo.php

http://palmettostatearmory.com/9mm-ammo.php

http://palmettostatearmory.com/45-ACP.php The 45 ACP never settled after the Obama Scare

To be honest I think people should not buy from Natchez or CTD. CTD took advantage during the Obama scare and Natchez is obviously not able to get a good price from it's wholesalers and manufacturers if other places can beat their prices. Call it a free economy or whatver when it comes to price gouging but consumers do have a choice to not utilize such companies.

rogertc1
April 2, 2011, 02:28 PM
I have a pretty good ammo hord. Enough to last me the rest of my life.

UpTheIrons
April 2, 2011, 04:58 PM
UpTheIrons, whether or not your post is true or not what did you want everyone to do?

Buy up all the ammo before April 1st?

Create a new "buying panic" that will drive prices up more than they would have?

What "productive goodness" comes from spreading such truths?

I thought speaking the truth was a good thing?

I'm not trying to start a buying panic. I was responding to a series of posts that to me sounds like a lot of fingers-in-the-ears-while-saying-LaLaLaLaLa-I-can't-hear-you!

We've all gotten the emails about ammo with expiration dates, ammo being serialized, ammo being taxed 500% and the like, all of which is fiction.

Whether or not Natchez or CTD have decent prices is irrelevant, really - I've never bought from CTD and likely never will. I have from Natchez, but did so not knowing about better deals at the time.

What is relevant is the fact that ammo/component prices are going to increase, and the same people who are denying that today are going to be the same ones complaining in a few months that ammo prices have "jumped so much."

So before they blame the store for the "new and improved prices," they should remember that the manufacturers and retailers had the decency to tell us beforehand.

Forewarned is forearmed, so buy now if you want to save 10-15%, or wait a while, knowing full well that that box of shotgun shells/carton of primers/case of .223 is going to cost more in July than it will today.

I can likely afford the price increase, but I know that I'd want to know of any future changes ahead of time, as much as they can be extrapolated.

carbuncle
April 4, 2011, 08:01 PM
I just got back from Wal-Mart, picked up 2 boxes of .40 Federal for the same $14.97 they were last week, and the WWB was still $28.97 for the box of 100. 9mm Federal was cleaned out, so I couldn't see if it was still the same $10.47 but they had plenty of the WWB 100 pack for $22.97.

THE DARK KNIGHT
April 4, 2011, 08:06 PM
Ammo prices are going up on April 1st.

(This message brought to you by Cheaper Than Dirt)

j/k

APRIL FOOLS LOL

carbuncle
April 4, 2011, 08:11 PM
Exactly...

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