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eddism
March 30, 2011, 01:48 AM
Last week i was practicing Cowboy Action Shooting. This including fanning a few shots from my Cimarron Model P Evil Roy. After which my trigger is now malfunctioning.
This is what is happening. The hammer cocks and rotates the chamber in its usual manner. However; upon slow controlled trigger pressure. The hammer drops halfway. And the trigger pressure is lighter then what I would consider a hair trigger. Also, I can manipulated the hammer with thumb pressure back and forth with out articulating the trigger. I suppose fanning the pistol was a foolish thing to do.
As this is the first time this pistol malfunctioned I have no experience to rely on to correct my problem.
I sure could use some advise what I ought to do.
Thanks for any helpful advise.
Sincerely,
Yours Truly.

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isc
March 30, 2011, 02:25 AM
I suppose fanning the pistol was a foolish thing to do.

Right up there with practicing quick draws. I wonder how many injuries are caused every year through this kind of horseplay...

MarkDozier
March 30, 2011, 03:50 AM
Right up there with practicing quick draws. I wonder how many injuries are caused every year through this kind of horseplay...

That is about the most ignorant reply I have ever seen. A well practised draw is n impressive sight and require a set of precise movements. Quickeness is a result of a lot of work and an achivement to be proud of. Especially when you drop them in the 10 ring consisitently.

The issue with the pistol fun resulted from damaging the springs or perhaps the sear(s) in the firearms. I agreee fanning the pistol, while a cool TV effect, is not a good thing.

Hope you get it fixed right and have the smith explain it to you.

Jed Carter
March 30, 2011, 04:54 AM
In my experience, the "Uberti" revolvers are made of low grade metals better suited for replicas than firearms. I have 2 no longer functioning Uberti revolvers one a copy of the Scholfield S&W and the other an 1860 Army conversion. They just don't build them like they used to and Uberti / Cimmaron never did. By the way this is in "Autoloaders".

Jed Carter
March 30, 2011, 05:01 AM
Sorry duplicate post.

LightningMan
March 30, 2011, 07:06 AM
IMO, Those pistols are not built for fanning, if you want/need that option, you will need a smith (like Bob Munden) to build one for you. Otherwise, you will break parts often and beat the revolver up.

Remllez
March 30, 2011, 09:53 AM
I'm not familiar with that particular brand of revolver but it sounds to me you may have broken something inside the frame..if it is under warranty I would get it back to them for repair. Lesson learned.

foghornl
March 30, 2011, 11:39 AM
Not to "dog-pile" on you edd, but this is what Ruger says about "fanning" in the manual for the Vaquero series:

“FANNING”: NEVER fan any revolver. Fanning is an unsafe way to fire a gun and
it is abusive to the revolver mechanism.

Found that out myself years ago....Never mind HOW I found out..... :( :o :banghead:

CraigC
March 30, 2011, 11:46 AM
NEVER fan a factory single action. NEVER!!!! A sixgun must be built to handle the rigors of fastdraw and fanning. Call Cimarron and tell them what happened. Be prepared to pay for repairs. If you lie to them, they will know it when they open up the sixgun so tell the truth up front.


They just don't build them like they used to and Uberti / Cimmaron never did.
Most authorities on this subject agree that Uberti's are better than they've ever been. I would say that your experience is the exception, rather than the rule.

rcmodel
March 30, 2011, 12:08 PM
Regardless of the wisdom of fanning a six-gun.
You have broken either the tip of the trigger (sear), or damaged the full-cock notch on the hammer. Or both.

That happens when you fan a SAA without holding the trigger fully back out of the way for the poor flailing hammer to clear it.

In either case, you are going to need some new parts to fix it.

I'd agree with CraigC.
You need to send it back to Cimarron for some TLC by a gunsmith.

rc

Coyote3855
March 30, 2011, 12:12 PM
Another option is to disassemble the revolver. Broken parts should be easily identified. Replacements available from several sources. You fix it for cheap and know more about the guts of your gun. Win win. If win lose, you still have the option of sending it to an expert. I struggle with all things mechanical, but a single action revolver is a simple machine. Even I can get one back together.

Standing Wolf
March 30, 2011, 01:21 PM
I struggle with all things mechanical, but a single action revolver is a simple machine. Even I can get one back together.

In that case, you need to buy a Dremel tool. You'll still be able to reassemble guns, but they won't work.

Seriously: I've heard single action revolvers can be modified for fanning, but then don't still work as regular revolvers.

CraigC
March 30, 2011, 01:38 PM
I wouldn't recommend fitting a trigger and/or hammer to a SAA or replica if you've never been inside one before. The Evil Roy version is already tuned so you'd be throwing away a couple hundred bucks you already spent. Bite the bullet, get it fixed and never do that again. Though you may be money ahead to have somebody like Tom Sargis fit new Colt parts to it.

gamestalker
March 30, 2011, 06:30 PM
You've damaged the timing hand or the the timing star, maybe more. It is most deffinitely going to require some expensive gun smithing work to repair it.
Now the question. Why in the world would you try to fan it? That is childs play with a cap gun, not a freaking firearm. Your lucky you didn't shoot yourself, or blow your gun up. It is possible to get a round to fire out of time by playing like that with a loaded revolver!

isc
March 30, 2011, 10:26 PM
I know two men personally that have shot themselves in the foot and thigh by playing around with quickdraw practice. It is idiotic. Practicing clearing leather smoothly is one thing, but focusing on speed gets people hurt. It reminds me of an article about a moron that shot himself in the hip because of his holster which was apparantly customized to a poorly designed modification. He never had to shoot anyone, but did manage to shoot himself due to his preoccupation with clearing leather quickly.

[/QUOTE=MarkDozier]
That is about the most ignorant reply I have ever seen. A well practised draw is n impressive sight and require a set of precise movements. Quickeness is a result of a lot of work and an achivement to be proud of. Especially when you drop them in the 10 ring consisitently.
[/QUOTE]

I'm also reminded of what Gene Hackman's character said to the journalist in unforgiven about quickdraws. If you don't remember, get the movie. It is widely acclaimed as being the most accurate and realistic western ever made.

CraigC
March 31, 2011, 12:19 AM
Practicing clearing leather smoothly is one thing, but focusing on speed gets people hurt.
Speed comes with practice and there is nothing "idiotic" about practice.

dhfenno
March 31, 2011, 05:33 AM
I know two men personally that have shot themselves in the foot and thigh by playing around with quickdraw practice. It is idiotic. Practicing clearing leather smoothly is one thing, but focusing on speed gets people hurt.

Have you ever heard of USPSA, or IDPA. Many thousands of people preforming quick draws many more thousands of times each year without shooting themselves.
It's a shame your friends broke some of the cardinal rules of gun safety and got hurt but that doesn't mean everyone does.

tipoc
March 31, 2011, 08:25 AM
Eddism,

Contact Cimmaron and tell them what occurred they will repair the gun for you. Cimmaron is a well respected outfit among CAS shooters and has a high profile in the game. They have seen this type of damage on a gun before and understand it well.

The repair is a simple one, straightforward and not too costly. Chalk it up to experience, have the gun repaired and enjoy shooting it. The Evil Roy is a good model and Cimmaron will stand by it.

tipoc

buttrap
April 1, 2011, 04:30 AM
(Have you ever heard of USPSA, or IDPA. Many thousands of people preforming quick draws many more thousands of times each year without shooting themselves.
It's a shame your friends broke some of the cardinal rules of gun safety and got hurt but that doesn't mean everyone does. )

That is USPSA or IDPA. They have rules on the ranges. Idiots with SA revolvers shoot them selves like clock work trying to quick draw when they should not even have a pen to draw with.

ArchAngelCD
April 1, 2011, 04:41 AM
The OP asked how he can fix his gun and freely admitted he should have fanned the gun but most of you here just had to tell him again. I just don't get it, answer the mans question without beating him up considering he already admitted he messed up. It's easy to be so self righteous sitting behind your computer screen at home. (like none of you ever did something foolish before)

I highly suggest sending the revolver back to the vendor since you have the Evil Roy model and those parts are tuned to that revolver. I also wouldn't offer the information about fanning the revolver, leave that part out and tell them it happened at a match. (which it did)

Rodman579
April 1, 2011, 08:04 AM
eddism, i agree with what rcmodel said. you also may have broke the trigger/bolt spring. but if your hammer is slipping off the full cock notch with a lighter than normal trigger pull i would assume you broke the tip of the trigger off. let us know what happens.

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