Has the bloom fallen off the flower for Glocks?


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MaterDei
January 9, 2004, 12:56 AM
I know there are a lot of Glock fans out there so let me say this right up front.

I respect Glocks. I don't own one and have no intention of owning one any time soon, but only because they are just not for me. Just like 1911s are not for everybody, Glocks aren't for me. I've always thought highly of them though and their reputation has always been top notch. However, I've fired a few and they just didn't flip my skirt.

My comment/question is this. It seems to me that the Glock has lost some of its luster. Why is that? In the past, any negative comment at all about Glocks invariably led to at least a few flames from Glock lovers. I don't see that happening any more. Why?

I don't think it is because Glock has fallen off in any way. They are just as reliable and durable as always. Is it because everybody else has caught up? Is it because others have surpassed them? Or did Glock lovers just get tired of fighting against all the anti-tupperware speak that was constantly spewed by Glock haters? That's something else I never understood either, the ravid Glock hater community. Even the haters had to admit that the weapon was reliable and durable, so why all the angst?

Anyway, it is just something that I've noticed as of late.

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gunsmith
January 9, 2004, 01:04 AM
thousands and thousands of rounds no jams.
I know it will work when the ___ hits the fan

Preacherman
January 9, 2004, 01:21 AM
I think a lot has to do with the fact that Glock is now "mainstream". New entrants into the market are now judged against the Glock, just as the Glock was judged against competitors such as the S&W 39/59, the Colt 1911, Browning HP, etc. As always, when something is no longer "cutting-edge technology", interest tends to dwindle.

I still own seven Glocks, and carry them more often than any other pistol. :D

dukeofurl
January 9, 2004, 02:59 AM
I think its more of an acceptance of - what works for you may not work for me and vice versa

Everyone has their own tastes in firearms as well as shooting abilities. If there were a one size fits all gun, we'd all own it already and the person that invented it would be rich.

danbh
January 9, 2004, 05:21 AM
I have to agree with Preacherman, they are now part of the inventory so they are less and less on the front page. I have a 21 that I carry, also a Beretta 8045 . I have never fired a 1911 and the Glock fits perfectly in my hand I like what feels good.

Majic
January 9, 2004, 06:29 AM
I think Glocks are very good at what they do, but they don't fit or appeal to me. I do know alot of shooters disliked Glock's slogan of "Perfection" and that soured their image for some of those who didn't take to them. Then the small problems Glock had (like any other mass producing manufactor) only solidified their dislike of the slogan. Now that those incidents are old news and Glocks are seen as just another product on the shelves attentions are drawn elsewhere.

WonderNine
January 9, 2004, 07:22 AM
Well Glocks have no soul. And nowadays to my jubilation alot of people are tending to want a gun with character. That's just my observation.

Oh yea, seem Glocks are more expensive now too!

KMKeller
January 9, 2004, 08:27 AM
Has the bloom fallen off the flower for Glocks?

Nope, simply the stupiditiy and carelessness of the typical end user. In tech circles, we call this the "DFU Syndrome".

LeonCarr
January 9, 2004, 09:08 AM
I don't think the bloom has fallen off of the flower, I think that Glocks just work, period. Glocks are very reliable, very durable, have decent accuracy (not match grade or anything, but some will surprise you :)), and they are reasonably priced. Some people just get bored with something that works all the time :).

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

GLOCKT
January 9, 2004, 09:17 AM
At 1st it was offensive,then it became redundit,and finally we became desensatized.
The repetitive stories of AD's.
When 1/2 the police forces in the US, arm them selves with Glocks,the country is going to listen to the good and bad that develope with such a following.
Due to lowest bidder and what Glock paid the depts for competitors buy backs.
Glock won many Government contracts.
Is it a better service pistol,compaired to Colts,Berretta,SW,Ruger,so on and so on?Thats in the eye of the beholder.
My Colt Commander for $750 doesnt group any better than my $480 Glock G22.Why invest another $400 in a upgrade for the Colt when I could almost save another couple of bills and move into a new Sig or HK?
The my gun is better than your gun stories have become old to us all.
I'm happy you have the money and patience to believe in your $900 1911,I for 1 am a family man,and cant justify that amount of money for a average pistol.
History is the past, I live for the future.
Dependability,My Colt is as reliable as My 3 Glocks.
If I want history I'll look to my SKS and Swiss k31.

HSMITH
January 9, 2004, 10:01 AM
I have never talked to anyone that has put 1000 rounds through a Glock that will say anything negative. All of the negativity and questions come from people that are not familiar with the Glock.

No the bloom is still there, as big and bright as ever. You just have to know what it looks like to see it....

ACP230
January 9, 2004, 10:22 AM
There was a flower?

Boats
January 9, 2004, 10:58 AM
Of course there was a flower.:D

http://www.kidzworld.com/img/upload/article/a406i0_bsc.jpg
Corpse lily (http://www.kidzworld.com/site/p526.htm)

Here are my reasons, that despite familiarity, Glocks are nothing special:

A) $500+ for a plastic gun? Who are they kidding?
B) I have seen, and own, many pistols that are as reliable as Glocks and much better looking.
C) I won't be running over my pistols with a truck, but I am sure that most of my pistols could take it.
D) I am not a frogman, so I won't be firing anything underwater.
E) None of my pistols has anything near the sorry grip angle of any Glock.
F) Despite all of the hype saying it is possible to make a Glock trigger decent, I have fired one massaged with a lighter disconnector and it still felt like "sproing" compared to a true single action pistol.
G) Glocks malfunction just like every other human designed and built piece of machinery can do. I have actually seen some Glocks barf up some pretty tight jams.
H) Per capita, the Glock ownership group has the higest percentage of know-nothings, for whom the pinnacle of firearms knowledge is a Tommy Lee Jones quote from a crappy sequel to The Fugitive.

Did I miss anything?

SMLE
January 9, 2004, 11:37 AM
The Local Sheriff's Dept. made its officers carry only their issue Glocks for several years. When we got a new Sheriff, he recinded that order. The sudden, widespread appearance of 1911s, in SO holsters should tell you something.

Is the Glock a good gun? Yes. Is it the greatest thing ever in the whole history of human kind? Not even remotely.

And I second Boats' comment about the sorry grip angle.

FireInTheHole
January 9, 2004, 11:45 AM
I've kicked the crap out of my 10 year old g22 over the past 6 months with some really STOUT homeloads. :uhoh:

The thing just keep eating up anything I throw at it.

I dont think there is a lack of glock lovers, just that most of them are secure enough in their firearm(s) that negative comments just slide right off.

cratz2
January 9, 2004, 03:05 PM
I own a Glock and will probably own two more in the forseeable future. I'm not a tremendously huge fan of them but they serve their purpose quite well.

As to why fans see to ardently defend them to their detractors... Well, I consider myself a 1911 fan... Always have been, always will be. When someone posts something to the effect of 1911s being archaic or too old school, I don't feel any need to defent what I consider to be a near perfect full-sized pistol. Same thing is probably true of many rational Glock fans... There's no need to defend what is likely the most widely used law enforcement pistol in the country... What is been shown to be servicably accurate and unquestionably reliable.

Some folks don't like plastic and some folks enjoy their Glocks...

LeonCarr
January 9, 2004, 03:11 PM
I think Boats is just jealous :).

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

FPrice
January 9, 2004, 03:15 PM
"My comment/question is this. It seems to me that the Glock has lost some of its luster. Why is that?"

Possibly because like any other commercial product, Glock assumed a high standing in the firearms world and this caused many other firearms companies worked on their products to compete with and win against Glock.

NO company gets on top and stays on top forever. At least none I can think of right off.

QuarterBoreGunner
January 9, 2004, 03:35 PM
Well Glocks have no soul
That says it right there for me. I carry a Glock on a daily basis; it works. All the time, everytime. But it really is a boring gun, no soul, no...history?

Now if you want to talk about S&W N-frame revolvers or 1911s, now there's a few guns with soul!

45auto
January 9, 2004, 03:55 PM
As mentioned, I think there are so many Glocks around, they are the largest selling auto by far, that they are the standard now. Which also means they are boring, I don't need to read an article about a model 17/19 etc.

I doubt they need the sales, but to create the excitement they once had, they would probably have to introduce different frame angles, finishes, etc.
I don't think the 45 GAP is going to do it for them.

I shoot a 1911 and would feel the same if Colt was the only 1911 manufacturer producing the mil-spec variety only. I don't need to read many articles or hear discussions on one platform and one company. It's only the fact that there are many 1911 producers trying to out-do each other, or self destruct through a lack of brain cells ;) , that makes it interesting and fun.

BHPshooter
January 9, 2004, 04:05 PM
H) Per capita, the Glock ownership group has the higest percentage of know-nothings, for whom the pinnacle of firearms knowledge is a Tommy Lee Jones quote from a crappy sequel to The Fugitive.

Bingo.

I'm not saying all people who own Glocks are idiots, but many of the people who are duped into a Glock as their first handgun think that magically they can operate any other gun out there. And the only good thing in US Marshalls was that "nickel plated sissy pistol [Taurus PT945]."

I've shot a lot of handguns, and there are still many more out there that baffle me -- I don't claim to know how to field strip a Makarov or a Mateba. But many people I know -- who have only ever shot a Glock -- claim to be experts on firearms. :rolleyes:

Personally, I've got no big problem with them, other than they don't fit my hand like I think they should. To each his own.

Wes

Lagadelphia
January 9, 2004, 04:27 PM
"Or did Glock lovers just get tired of fighting against all the anti-tupperware speak that was constantly spewed by Glock haters?"

This is basically the reason for me. I mean, some people who sit and bash Glocks all day long usually carry guns that usually require you to toss out the mags that come with it and buy third party mags so the gun runs reliably.

These are the same people who are members to fourms dedicated to said gun upon which you find nothing but post after post asking about fixing problems with said gun. Across all manufacturers no less.

These are the same people who obviously don't see a problem with buying a gun that is more expensive that a Glock and it not running reliably out of the box in many cases. "Send it back. XXX company is great about making it right." I don't know about you, but if I were to drop $800 on a pistol, it had better damn well hit the ground running and not look back.

So you can see why a person would get tired of arguing with people like that.

FireInTheHole
January 9, 2004, 05:24 PM
H) Per capita, the Glock ownership group has the higest percentage of know-nothings, for whom the pinnacle of firearms knowledge is a Tommy Lee Jones quote from a crappy sequel to The Fugitive.

Man I really love this quote.

Anyhow, THIS glock owner just broke down his 'sissy-gun'(:p) beretta 92FS last night and swapped out all the springs, firing pin, etc. I feel pretty secure in my knowledge regarding firearms, thank you. :)

LOL.

Ala Dan
January 9, 2004, 05:35 PM
I've owned three: a G17, G23, and a G27.

All three were exceptional firearm's, never having
experienced a problem with any of them! After
mastering the DA first shot of the SIG-SAUER; the
Glock "safe action trigger" just seem more like that
of a good ole' double-action revolver, and I NEVER
warmed up too that feeling. If I wanted that type
of feeling, I would just have purchased a good ole'
Smith or Ruger wheel gun.

Glock produces and sells many great firearm's. I
don't see that trend changing anytime soon. Which
I see as good; cuz it will make other manufactuer'ers
be on top of their game!

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

BHPshooter
January 9, 2004, 05:50 PM
Anyhow, THIS glock owner just broke down his beretta 92FS last night and swapped out all the springs, firing pin, etc. I feel pretty secure in my knowledge regarding firearms, thank you.

Like I said, not all are this way... just a few. You know what they say: the smallest minority is always the loudest.

Wes

Boats
January 9, 2004, 06:20 PM
LeonCarr wrote:
I think Boats is just jealous
Jealous of what, exactly?

Hyperbole comes naturally to Glock owners it seems. As Lagadelphia provides a textbook example, I quote him:

. . . . I mean, some people who sit and bash Glocks all day long usually carry guns that usually require you to toss out the mags that come with it and buy third party mags so the gun runs reliably. (Emphasis mine.)

Uh sure. It is so usual that environmental collapse is imminent due to all of that sheet metal in landfills. The above is obviously a thinly veiled slam of the 1911. I have had many factory 1911 mags that work just fine. My problem with them has usually been when they come capable of holding only seven rounds instead of the eight I prefer. SIG 220 fans might also know this modification "necessity." It is not that the mags don't work though.

These are the same people who are members to fourms dedicated to said gun upon which you find nothing but post after post asking about fixing problems with said gun. Across all manufacturers no less.

Nothing like all of those posts about malfs on Glocktalk right? People with problems complain. People without problems are the majority or companies would go out of business.

These are the same people who obviously don't see a problem with buying a gun that is more expensive that a Glock and it not running reliably out of the box in many cases. "Send it back. XXX company is great about making it right." I don't know about you, but if I were to drop $800 on a pistol, it had better damn well hit the ground running and not look back.

I guess the Glock service shop in Smyrna is staffed by a Maytag repairman then? Even us idiotic 1911 owners see a problem with a factory gun being unreliable out of the box. Again, as is the norm, the vast majority have no problems out of the box.

We all could, as an alternative, spend anywhere from $25-5500 less and buy a brick of plastic that for many is an unmitigated ergonomic disaster, which may or may not require a breaking in period, or explode, or barf up a frame rail, or perform a Phase 3 malfunction, or be subject to "upgrades," but only after police buyers are made aware of the problem. However, we'd all evidently be signing on to the BATFE and Glock's ballistic fingerprinting experiment for no additional charge.

So you can see why a person would get tired of arguing with people like that.

Likewise.

gulogulo1970
January 9, 2004, 06:41 PM
Glock people (I think) are just getting tried of defending a firearm that is perfect for them. They know not everyone has seen the light, yet.

Glocks already have a huge marketshare, Glock owners know this. We don't come out of the woodwork to defend Glocks because we have already won the argument of the marketplace. If they function so poorly, why do they sell so well? Ignorance of the consumer is not the answer. Answer is they work and work well. They have a great reputation, not by accident. Glocks are the autopistol all others are judged against, for now.

Why try to change the minds of Glock-haters? Let them love the guns they own, if it makes them feel good about themselves and their purchase.

QuarterBoreGunner
January 9, 2004, 06:56 PM
Hey dude, it's like, totally made out of ceramic so you can totally get it through an x-ray machine and has, like, no safety on it.

It totally ROCKED in that movie with the bald guy from The Sixth Sense...

/sarcasm

Guys, it's just another pistol.

Granted it was an innovative design, but there's nothing really *new* about it now. It works, IMHO no better or no worse than dozens of other designs out there. For some it fits, for others it will never fit.
Like I said, I like my G30 and have it on my hip as I type this. Is it perfect? No. What pistol design is? But it works, and here's the main point, it works for me.

Isn't choice a wonderful thing?

I guess I just never saw the point in getting worked up over it being *better* than _____________ (insert other pistol here).

As a defensive tool, in my hands, I like it just fine. Is it my favorite pistol to shoot? Heck no. I prefer my revolvers. So there you go.

Frenchy
January 9, 2004, 07:06 PM
Has the bloom fallen off the flower for Glocks?

I think it's because it's become "Old School". It's been around long enough that it's "uniqueness" has worn off. Even new variations aren't to thrilling...but thats because the basic design doesn't beg to be changed.
I've owned only one Glock, and that was a G-19. Great gun that ran flawlessly. I too found that the grip angle "sucked" for me, and replaced it for the, then new, HS 2000. Better ergonomics (SIG-like) and features that I warmed up to.

MarauderLS1
January 9, 2004, 07:44 PM
I think people hear more about when Glocks DON'T work these days. Its become somewhat of the norm to be able to buy a Glock and not have any problems. Same for SIG\HK, and a few others out there. Usually it's when someone has some strange malfunction that the pot starts stirring up rapidly. Again, same is true for all brands out there these days.
As someone mentioned, I too have a problem spending almost $800 on a weapon and having it not work from the box, or needing to buy "better" magazines than the ones that came from the factory. I think Glock provides one heck of a quality platform from the start, and usually at a reasonable price.

Boats
January 9, 2004, 08:06 PM
As someone mentioned, I too have a problem spending almost $800 on a weapon and having it not work from the box, or needing to buy "better" magazines than the ones that came from the factory.

Yep, keep saying that. Someday it might become true.:rolleyes:

LeonCarr
January 9, 2004, 08:20 PM
Boats,

Maybe if you sold that Robar custom thingy, and bought a Glock, maybe:

A) You would not be so angry at Glock owners beacuse they have found the ideal gun, and you are still looking,

B) You would not give a Four Score and Seven Years ago answer to a post when someone says you are jealous.

Glocks are still better, and you have not convinced me to switch to an overpriced, overrated 1911.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

QuarterBoreGunner
January 9, 2004, 08:38 PM
LeonCarr- ad hominem, not constructive man.

I like Glocks, but I refuse to believe in absolutes like: '...the ideal gun'. Maybe it's ideal for you but not for Boats, or for that matter anyone else.

'Glocks are still better' Again, subjective argument.

'...overpriced, overrated 1911' Are you seriously trying to flame people?

1911s work.
Glocks work.

Some better for others than not. It's all a matter of choice.

Johnny C. Kitchens
January 9, 2004, 08:43 PM
It happens in all fields. Look at how many negative things are said about
Microsoft, Intel, General Motors and McDonalds. It appears to be part of the
way things are...

Frenchy
January 9, 2004, 08:46 PM
FWIW...I know of quite a few 1911's in the $300 to $500 range that work just fine "right out of the box".
One doesn't need a Kimber or a STI to have a good 1911...And one doesn't need to own a Glock to have their own personal "Perfection"! ;)

cornbread2
January 9, 2004, 08:50 PM
Everyone that has a lot of experience with ALL pistols over a long period of time and spent years on shooting ranges and at shooting schools where large numbers of people put large numbers of rounds down range all KNOW a few FACTS about the handgun world.

They don't have to guess or rely on their uncles wifes next door neigbhors brother in laws opinion they KNOW what pistols are reliable and trouble free.

They can see a number of people shooting brand A pistols and see a number shooting brand B pistols and already KNOW which group is more likely to have problems.

They KNOW this because they are not basing their opinion one one or two pistols.

A good auto mechanic can tell you EXACTLY which car is likely to give you good service and which one to avoid because he has experience with ALL of them. It is the same with all fields such as this.

You could have had bad luck with ONE Toyota Camry and assume that all of them are junk. Your mechanic KNOWS better.

If one example of brand A pistol is more reliable than brand B it proves NOTHING but which of the two is more reliable. It does not mean that on the average every single brand A pistol is more reliable than brand B. Only a damn fool would think otherwise but if one reads much BS posted on the internet on gun boards he WILL find lots of these damn fools.

People with real world experience KNOW that the VAST MAJORITY of Glock pistols are good reliable and durable pistols. Those that say otherwise are damn fools that lack experience or just have a mental problem.

You can not like a Glock and that is your "opinion" and that is fine. If you don't like one you don't have to buy one.

The guys that claim they are all junk are just showing just how IGNORANT they really are.

Such people have no business in adult conversations.

MarauderLS1
January 9, 2004, 08:50 PM
Boats,

It has happened to me more times than I can remember. And each time it was with a 1911 of some variant. Springfield TRP-Didn't feed properly with stock mags, had to buy Wilsons to make it function right. Springfield Mil-Spec, same as above. Kimber CDP, had 4 Kimber mags, didn't function properly, bought Wilsons, problem solved. Colt 1991, had 5 factory Colt mags, none provided flawless function. Only 1911 I bought that ran 100% was a Wilson CQB, and it came with 5 Wilson mags, go figure. My problem isn't with the 1911 design as much as it is with consistant quality of manufacture. Each major company that makes 1911's have such varying quality control these days its not even funny. It's true about many companies, but perhaps not to the extreme as it can be with 1911's. That's why I believe many people have found a Glock, sig, etc that fills their needs perfectly without the need for any aftermarket modifications.

Sean Smith
January 9, 2004, 08:57 PM
This whole topic is stunningly infantile. Sounds like alot of folks are using their guns as symbolic seconds for their pee-pee or something. :rolleyes:

cornbread2
January 9, 2004, 09:25 PM
On average if one enters a gunshop and buys a Glock it is more likely to be reliable out of the box than the 1911 pistols on the shelf.

That is fact. You may not know this or believe it but it is fact.

That does not mean that 1911 pistols are not reliable it just shows that ON AVERAGE the Glock and most other modern designs are more reliable out of the box.



Again if one has enough experience with both designs he KNOWS this.

Frenchy
January 9, 2004, 09:25 PM
I think MarauderLS1 makes a very good point.
The 1911 is one of those designs that is produced by a whole slew of companies. Each has slightly different tolerances built into their particular gun. It's not surprising that the most common problem is proper functioning mags.
What if Glock was in the same position, instead of being a proprietary gun using a proprietary magazine. From what I understand, generics don't work real good in them.

boogalou
January 9, 2004, 09:37 PM
This whole topic is stunningly infantile. Sounds like alot of folks are using their guns as symbolic seconds for their pee-pee or something.

My thoughts exactly.....

Once again, this has degenerated into a Glock vrs 1911 thread. When will the madness stop!

I could tell you folks what pistols I like and dislike, but whats the point. I will say that there is one of the above pistols I will probably never own, but thats not the fault of the pistol, but of the condescending atitude of some of its owners.

JeepDriver
January 9, 2004, 09:59 PM
I really like my Glocks. I have 2 G17's that are great guns. It is the only gun that I have 2 of the same of. They are everything they are said to be. They work everytime, eat everything, and keep going.

I might not run around screaming their praises, but I'll defend them against those that haven't shot one.

tlhelmer
January 9, 2004, 10:12 PM
The .45 GAP is why.

7.62FullMetalJacket
January 9, 2004, 10:21 PM
I am a fan of the 1911. I prefer the 1911. Make mine a double-stack to boot. I am currently carrying a 21C. It is tupperware, but it is lighter, and it goes bang everytime I pull the trigger. It is relatively accurate and very reliable.

The 1911 and Glock schools can co-exist. I am proof. :uhoh:

Now, if we are talking AR15 vs.........

A. Partisan
January 9, 2004, 10:27 PM
The fear of having something in common with an arrogant, know-it-all keeps me from buying certain types of handguns. :barf:

rage
January 9, 2004, 10:31 PM
Some people just get bored with something that works all the time .

Glocks haven't lost anything...you did, if you haven't shot one and got used to the trigger.;)

JohnKSa
January 9, 2004, 10:38 PM
In the past, any negative comment at all about Glocks invariably led to at least a few flames from Glock lovers. I don't see that happening any more. Why?
Why should I try to convert the trolls who get their jollies by repeatedly posting anti-Glock BS?

After awhile it gets ludicrous--how many posts do you see about people wanting to remove the grip safety from a 1911 or wanting to add a safety to a Colt Python? Yet it's never hard to find someone wanting to redesign the Glock. Often someone who admits to having no interest in owning a Glock in the first place.

Why is it that all these people who don't like Glocks, don't own one and don't want to own one spend so much time posting about them and "researching" the latest web legends about them? I don't know why, but it can't be real healthy...

The ones that are really knee slappers are when someone posts an anti-gun article that happens to focus on Glocks or mention Glocks and then argues as if all of the "facts" in the article are incontrovertible. After all, we all know how factual the typical gun control article is.

Lagadelphia
January 10, 2004, 02:08 AM
"Frenchy: I think MarauderLS1 makes a very good point.
The 1911 is one of those designs that is produced by a whole slew of companies. Each has slightly different tolerances built into their particular gun. It's not surprising that the most common problem is proper functioning mags.
What if Glock was in the same position, instead of being a proprietary gun using a proprietary magazine. From what I understand, generics don't work real good in them."


A big problem with 1911's seems to be magazines that come with the gun. The answer seems to be to get Wilson mags. Now it seems like Wilson mags work in every 1911 out there so that begs the question why other manufactures can seem to get this right. The 1911 is a standard. One would hope that since it is a standard, manufactures could get it right. It's a design that has been around forever so one would think that an issue as simple as a mag issue shouldn't happen with the frequency that it does.

I'm not pro-glock anti-1911. Infact next month I am going to pick up a 1911. I like the 1911 design. I like the look of them as well. Haven't decided which one or from what manufacturer yet however. But I am apprehensive about geting one that runs right out of the box. That is a feeling that I don't have from a Glock. I'm not faulting the design, I am faulting the manufactures seemingly lack of QA.

As far as generic mags not working well in Glock. Glocks come with two working mags right out of the box and Glock factory mags aren't expensive either. Full Capacity is another story however :)

wardog
January 10, 2004, 02:55 AM
I don't think anything has changed with them, and I think they are good guns, but I did have a converstion with my gun dealer a couple of months ago on this topic. For whatever reason, he's not selling anywhere near the numbers of them that he used to sell. It's not the prices either, as he's got the best prices in town. IIRC, he was selling 27's for $449.

Majic
January 10, 2004, 03:33 AM
I'll start this off and maybe it gets around to everyone.

I own______(fill in the blank) which I shoot well enough to suit my needs and appreciate it's qualities. Others own various designs that they shoot well and appreciate the qualities that the designs provides for them. We all can respect each others choices, stand shoulder to shoulder on firing lines, shoot our various designs, and comment on each other's targets (which will be based on each individual's skill) without any mention of the platforms used except as a compliment.

I filled my blank with 1911's, BHP's, High Standards, and revolvers of most manufactors.

Frenchy
January 10, 2004, 09:00 AM
Glocks come with two working mags right out of the box and Glock factory mags aren't expensive either.

I agree!...As I have said, most proprietary guns work well with their proprietary mags. It's true with my HS2K, various Smith autos, etc.
I have no idea why the 1911 has this particular problem.
I've heard the same thing about Wilson...They work!
I too am looking to get a 1911 for general shooting & plinking. A friend that I work with purchased a RIA for the same reason. He didn't want to invest a lot of money in a knock-about gun. The mag that came with the gun has given him excellent service without tweeking. I may or may not be so lucky. :)
I've been generally happy with about every handgun I've owned. The only Glock that I ever purchased (G-19) was a fine gun. I just didn't care for the grip angle.

Tamara
January 10, 2004, 09:17 AM
I feel less and less like bothering with discussions in the autoloader forum any more, since apparently the only two feelings allowed towards any autopistol are "Hate" or "Worship". Groupies and fanboys and bashers, oh my! :uhoh:

Buddha on a bicycle, people, these are just pistols, no matter what year JMB designed them in or what line some anti-gun actor praised them with in a B-grade flick. :rolleyes:

Frenchy
January 10, 2004, 09:44 AM
Boy Tamara!...You sure know how to throw a wet blanket on a perfectly inane discussion! :D

Gary G23
January 10, 2004, 10:16 AM
The thing I hate about Glock is that they refuse to admit they have ever had a "recall". If your frame rails break off it merely needs to be "upgraded". That and the fact that they continued to sell defective guns after they knew about the problem. That is the reason I sold all my Glocks. I couldn't trust them after that.

Longbow
January 10, 2004, 01:40 PM
Glock 17 is simple, reliable, effective...'nuff said! ;)

Scoob
January 10, 2004, 03:31 PM
I like my Glocks. I don't know if I'd like a 1911 or not since I haven't shot one. I have noticed some(not all) people with 1911's at the range seem to look down at me a bit. I don't let it bother me but, what's the big deal...:confused:

Frenchy
January 10, 2004, 03:59 PM
If that bothers you, try a different range. I don't notice or really much care what others are thinking!

Nero Steptoe
January 10, 2004, 05:01 PM
Boats: Since you obviously won't be attending any MENSA meetings, may I suggest something more appropriate for you, like Anachronisms Anonymous?? :)

LeonCarr
January 10, 2004, 05:20 PM
Hey Scoob,

Those 1911 folks are looking down at you because you have an almost trouble-free, almost maintenance-free handgun, and they don't :).

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

Tamara
January 10, 2004, 06:13 PM
Boats: Since you obviously won't be attending any MENSA meetings,

At least he's demonstrated the ability to read and comprehend the four simple rules he agreed to when he registered.

Beren
January 10, 2004, 08:39 PM
Personally, I don't have need for many more Glocks. I own a 17 and a 32. I can see myself purchasing a 31, 20, and 26, along with .40 cal barrels for the 31 and 32. After that, Glock probably won't see much more of my money except when I purchase the occasional spare part or magazine. Once I have a chance to test-fire a 37, I'll decide whether or not to add it to my wanted list.

Honestly, there aren't many other handgun companies that have a chance of seeing my money. Glock and S&W, the latter of which will probably be used pistols simply because I prefer the older ones. I'm developing a fondess for odd-ball or older 1911's, so Kimber and Springfield won't see me anytime soon either.

When I carry, I usually carry a Glock. It's simple, reliable, more accurate than I am, has perhaps the best "factory-standard" finish available, and unlike my S&W M27, I don't care very much if my Glock M17 gets dinged or worn. The trigger is comfortable and familiar to me, and its simplicity has reinforced safe handling practices. When loaded, it's just like a revolver - pull the trigger and it'll go bang.

My current collection consists of Glocks, N-Frame S&W revolvers (29-2, 27-2), and a Griffon. Oh, and a Kel-Tec P32 I'll probably sell soon. I plan to add a few other odd-ball 1911's to the mix, maybe a few more S&W revolvers... But really, it's time to start building the rifle and shotgun collection!

You know you have too many handguns when they won't all fit into a single range bag, so I plan to stop soon. :)

So, no, I don't believe that Glock is "losing its flower." As a happy Glock customer, they simply don't have anything further to offer me.

Majic
January 10, 2004, 08:50 PM
You know you have too many handguns when they won't all fit into a single range bag,

Time for a bigger bag. :neener:

Boats
January 11, 2004, 12:41 AM
Oh the irony! Glockers telling me I am not MENSA material?:rolleyes: Thanks Tamara, but I hardly need saving from ankle biters.

Sean Smith
January 11, 2004, 01:34 AM
I've seen more intellectually stimulating arguments when I was in the 4th grade about which comic book super-hero could win a fight with Superman... :rolleyes:

The answer was "Thor," by the way, so you can put that argument to rest. :neener:

DBR
January 11, 2004, 02:36 AM
IMHO: Glock = disposible bullet launcher.

JohnKSa
January 11, 2004, 02:58 AM
Let's see. So far on this thread Glock owners have been called:

arrogant know it alls
ankle biters
know nothings
dupes

And amusingly enough, the same person who became irate because someone dared to make a "thinly veiled slam on the 1911" had no problem calling a Glock an "unmitigated ergonomic disaster" in the same post.

Yup, a lot of worthwhile information being exchanged on this thread.

What was the original question?

Oh yeah, someone wanted to know why "Glock lovers" quit responding to posts by "Glock haters".

I'm thinking maybe this thread will give a perceptive reader a few clues as to the answer...

Mal H
January 11, 2004, 10:22 AM
... Let's hope so John, 'cause there won't be any additions to it.

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