Maryland's anti-gun stance is going to cost them my tourist $$$ this summer ....


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PcolaDawg
March 30, 2011, 05:32 PM
I'm going to be taking the wife up to the Virginia Beach area this summer, from Florida, and we'll be crossing the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel. I was thinking of staying at Ocean City, Maryland, for a night or two.

Until I took a closer look at their CCW laws. :fire: Now I'll be staying just a little further north at Rehoboth Beach in Delaware. :cool:

But Maryland is so screwed up that, after I cross the bay bridge tunnel from Virginia into Maryland, for the hour or two I'll be in Maryland on my way to Delaware - I'll have to make sure all of my guns are open and in locked cases, with all of the ammo in a completely different part of the car.

All of the states I'll be traveling in have CCW reciprocity with Florida except for Maryland, and I'll only be in that state oh so briefly. But it will be enough that I'll have to completely neuter my guns and rearrange luggage to make sure I'm complying with their idiotic gun laws. :banghead:

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W.E.G.
March 30, 2011, 06:05 PM
I live very near Maryland, but I avoid the place like the plague for just that reason.

Sam1911
March 30, 2011, 06:58 PM
Yes, you will have to secure the gun to FOPA standards. You do not want to be a guest of the State of Maryland because of laziness or ignorance of the law.

Those of us who live around and travel through MD regularly deal with this daily/weekly. It sucks, but it is the law (for now).

Sauer Grapes
March 30, 2011, 07:15 PM
I love Maryland and mostly the eastern shore. It's kinda been a second home for me.
I agree, they are just really screwed up due to the liberal nut jobs over in Annapolis.

PcolaDawg
March 30, 2011, 07:22 PM
Yes, you will have to secure the gun to FOPA standards. You do not want to be a guest of the State of Maryland because of laziness or ignorance of the law.
My thoughts exactly. I don't have to like it, but I do have to comply. :(

But I don't have to spend $$ there. I'm planning to drive through and not even stop to eat in Maryland. :mad:

PavePusher
March 31, 2011, 12:43 AM
If you have a little extra time, you can bypass Maryland (almost) completely and have a much more scenic drive...

If you are traveling from P-cola, take FL 95 to MS 113 to I65, Pick up I85 in Montgomery. At Greeneville SC, turn north on U.S. 25 to Ashville NC, and grab some hours on the Blue Ridge Parkway. Continue up to Roanoake VA, hook onto I81. You'll cross about 10 miles of MD on the west side of Hagerstown, or if you feel particularly ornery, you can muddle your way west, then east around the western tip of MD, but that adds about 200+ miles to little good purpose. Probably nice scenery though. Once into PA, head east to DE, and Robert's yer mothers' brother.

I've driven most of that route at one time or another. If I had a few days, it would be fun to string it all together.

Whatever your choice, good luck to ya! ;)

w1smc
March 31, 2011, 08:20 AM
I live in VA and work in MD and cut through DC each morning to get to work.

I don't even think about bring firearms with me ..... it sucks .... but it is what it is.

JohnBT
March 31, 2011, 08:22 AM
"grab some hours on the Blue Ridge Parkway. Continue up to Roanoake VA, hook onto I81."

That's a good, but funny, route but I'd rather drive I-95 than I-81 in Virginia. The drivers on 95 are better, as hard as that is to believe.

HOOfan_1
March 31, 2011, 09:59 AM
Well, the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel does not go from Virginia to Maryland, it goes from Virginia to Virginia. The Eastern Shore is Virginia. You still have to go through Maryland to get to Delaware, but it is only an hour to an hour and a half drive.

Toforo
March 31, 2011, 01:24 PM
But Maryland is so screwed up that, after I cross the bay bridge tunnel from Virginia into Maryland, for the hour or two I'll be in Maryland on my way to Delaware - I'll have to make sure all of my guns are open and in locked cases, with all of the ammo in a completely different part of the car

But you CAN carry a spare computer key-board and a large pair of scissors - you won't have to stop for a hitch-hiker to get them!

yhtomit
March 31, 2011, 01:52 PM
I grew up there, and didn't even know how draconian were the firearms laws; by the time I bought my first gun, I hadn't lived in Maryland for years. I frequently and sincerely tell people (friends, family) that I'd enjoy living in Maryland again, if they fixed the taxes (go all-sales-tax*, like Texas, Washington, Tennessee ...) and the gun laws. It's truly a beautiful place, America in Miniature.

timothy

* OK, not quite *all* -- but no state income tax, is my point

youngda9
March 31, 2011, 02:25 PM
I wouldn't even travel through such a state. Be sure you are gassed up before you try to drive through the state so you don't have to spend a dime in such a place.

wbwanzer
March 31, 2011, 05:06 PM
I don't blame you. I live here. I hope to get out some day. I have a Utah non-res carry permit, but of course I have to leave Maryland to use it.

Maryland's motto is, "If you can dream it, we can tax it".

JR47
April 1, 2011, 04:59 PM
Actually, the liberals are in Annapolis because of the way voting is apportioned. Between Baltimore City, Montgomery County, and Prince George's County, the rest of the state is out voted.

Baltimore, along with Prince George's County are welfare kingdoms. Montgomery County is rich, but losing it's way due to the vast immigrant (legal and illegal) that they have welcomed. Their social programs budget is beginning to eat away at the rich.

Then, of course, you have the inevitable overflow from D.C. The Metro brings a certain population out, who often decide to steal a car to get back into D.C. with stolen merchandise.

Against this back-drop, the environs of Annapolis trot out silly laws again and again. Of course, only the law-abiding are stuck following the latest in social engineering, as the others are criminals, who, by definition, don't obey the law, of course.

I lived in Maryland from 1947-2005. In Prince George's County. :barf:

langenc
April 2, 2011, 12:07 AM
Pick a couple of larger cityies Visitors Bureaus and email them with your intention-to avoid spending/stopping in MD.

I do that to IL when heading west. A successful is not setting foot on IL pavement. We have been successful three times.

ItsGarand
April 2, 2011, 08:48 AM
You can call, write, or mail all you want. Politically, MD is a one horse town. Those that run the state don't care.

:mad:

Standing Wolf
April 2, 2011, 09:34 AM
I'd like to visit my sister, who lives in Maryland, but the state she lives in practices anti-Second Amendment bigotry.

22-rimfire
April 2, 2011, 11:51 AM
MD and NJ are troublesome states if you want to carry or have a loaded handgun in your vehicle. The beaches are just fine in VA.

crossrhodes
April 2, 2011, 11:41 PM
I convinced my ex wife to move there......LOL she's worst then any gun law and she will be sucking up all and any social services she can. Better their tax $$$ then Vermonts. In short....I took out the trash and put it in another state.:neener:

psyshack
April 3, 2011, 12:01 AM
I stay out of states that have no respect for the 2nd. And now that the wife is a shooter she agree's. If it's not a free state,,, it's not her America.

We stopped at a shop last week so I could pick up some reloading stuff. Found her looking at Ruger's. My mother lives in Mesa Az. Mom told my wife Rugers are made in Phx area. Wife looked up her Smith's place of birth and decided Mass was not a free state. Thus she does not like having the pistol anymore. Poor Mod. 60 Pro now has woman hate on it. So much for wonderful action job I put on it. Then I got the eye over my Smith's.

BaltimoreBoy
April 3, 2011, 07:50 AM
JR47 got a lot of the answer.

One more point: The areas around DC are simply crawling with govco workers. The Milicrats (because of the Pentagon) tend to settle in Va, while the HEW types (who are overwhelmingly command and control statists) tend to settle on the Maryland side of the Potomac.

hso
April 3, 2011, 08:37 AM
Compliance with the law is the only acceptable advice we can give here at SAIC, BUT you should make sure that the state tourism board and the Chamber of Commerce for the state and the town you would have stayed at get a note telling them that they have lost every penny of your business and that you will be telling everyone you know that they should spend their money elsewhere as well.

kingpin008
April 3, 2011, 12:08 PM
You can call, write, or mail all you want. Politically, MD is a one horse town. Those that run the state don't care.

That's kinda funny, seeing as how those of us active in the grass-roots 2A groups have been making them care for the past half-decade or more, with progressively positive results.

We've held off some pretty vile AWB-type bills every year they've come up, and we're making progress on a bill that would reform our pathetic, open-ended excuse for a may-issue CCW system.

Slotback
April 3, 2011, 02:09 PM
Write a few letters to Maryland legislators and explain to them why you refuse to patronize their businesses. Politely of course.

ObsidianOne
April 3, 2011, 03:44 PM
Sounds like California. I never vacation there, or drive anywhere near it if I can help it.

BlkHawk73
April 3, 2011, 03:52 PM
An old co-worker used to vacation at Rehoboth Beach a bit and always said what a nice area it was.

PcolaDawg
April 3, 2011, 08:30 PM
An old co-worker used to vacation at Rehoboth Beach a bit and always said what a nice area it was.
Glad to hear it! I drove by it about four years ago after dropping one of my kids off at a football camp in Annapolis, and it looks like a very cool area. I think my wife will like it. And I'll like staying out of Maryland. :cool:

inclinebench
April 4, 2011, 11:38 AM
I had to drive up to Maryland last week for a memorial service. It felt so wrong on so many levels as I emptied the guns and ammo out of the truck before heading off. Had it not been to go pay respect to someone, I would not have gone to that state. Home now, and once again have the truck loaded with goodies.

devildog4329
April 5, 2011, 07:07 AM
I grew up in maryland. Lived there up until 2009. Then i moved 3 miles over the boarder into WV and never thought twice about it. I still work in Maryland and most of my family still lives there so dealing with not carrying most of the time is just something i have to live with. Needless to say i try to stay on my side of the river as much as possible.

harrygunner
April 5, 2011, 04:21 PM
Someone asking about Maryland laws thought I was kidding when I said I can't see how a non-resident can legally stop in Maryland with a handgun.

One can travel through, stop for gas or maybe a meal, but prolonged stays are not allowed. Overnight stay in a hotel, visits with relatives, shopping at a mall, etc. could lead to jail time.

230therapy
April 5, 2011, 04:30 PM
Maryland's anti-gun government causes them to lose ALL my money, all year long!

I do not set foot in Maryland and will drive around it if at all possible.

kingpin008
April 5, 2011, 07:25 PM
One can travel through, stop for gas or maybe a meal, but prolonged stays are not allowed. Overnight stay in a hotel, visits with relatives, shopping at a mall, etc. could lead to jail time.

100% bull. As long as the gun is not CCW'd, a non-resident can stay as long as they'd like with a handgun. Transport and storage rules must be followed while in state, but there is nothing in Maryland law that prohibits anything you've mentioned. Please post the relevant law that you base your comment on.

Sam1911
April 5, 2011, 07:47 PM
Someone asking about Maryland laws thought I was kidding when I said I can't see how a non-resident can legally stop in Maryland with a handgun.

One can travel through, stop for gas or maybe a meal, but prolonged stays are not allowed. Overnight stay in a hotel, visits with relatives, shopping at a mall, etc. could lead to jail time.
Hold on a minute. This isn't true at all. Md's laws are "bad" but not quite that bad. You cannot carry your handgun concealed, and you must transport it in accordance with Maryland's laws, but you certainly can stay overnight, visit relatives, go shooting, etc.

Here's a post that explains why it is perfectly legal to have your handgun with you in your hotel room: http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6457508&postcount=36

I travel to shooting competitions in MD with some regularity -- and do so perfectly legally.

Sam1911
April 5, 2011, 07:49 PM
What MD law does say (or at least the NRA-ILA's brief on it) is this:

A person may transport a handgun if they can demonstrate that the handgun is being carried, worn or transported:
• To or from a place of legal purchase or sale, or repair shop;
• Between a person’s bona fide residences, or between his residence and place of business, if the business is operated and substantially owned by that person;
• While engaged in, or traveling to and from a target shoot, formal or informal target practice, sport shooting event, hunting, trapping, or dog obedience training class or show; or
• By a bona fide gun collector who is moving any part or all of his gun collection from place to place for public or private exhibition.

harrygunner
April 5, 2011, 08:26 PM
Sam, When I read Maryland's statutes, I concluded I can drive through with a handgun, but not stop for anything unrelated to traveling through and be legal.

The OP and the other person I referred to were not asking about attending a shooting event. They were asking about stopping while traveling through.

While engaged in, or traveling to and from a target shoot, formal or informal target practice, sport shooting event, hunting, trapping, or dog obedience training class or show;

That's the only exception I've found for a non-resident. I'm well aware of this exception, but, it's unrelated to the OP's question.

OK, I'm totally open to learning.

Start with - (a synopsis of Maryland Criminal Law Section 4-203)

It is unlawful for any person without a permit to wear or carry a handgun, openly or concealed, upon or about his person, or to knowingly transport a handgun in any vehicle traveling on public roads, highways, waterways or airways or upon roads or parking lots generally used by the public. This does not apply to any person wearing, carrying or transporting a handgun within the confines of real estate owned or leased by him, or on which he resided, or within the confines of a business establishment owned or leased by him.

then throw in the exceptions Sam cited.

Other than shooting related events, how can a non-resident stop in Maryland for an extended period, unrelated to traveling through?

Thlax
April 5, 2011, 08:30 PM
Yay Delaware haha. Yeah it sucks being so close to the people's republic of MD. Thankfully I'm not there too often...even though I live 5 miles from border!

Visit the boardwalk at rehobeth but stay in Lewes or somewher else.

Enjoy

PcolaDawg
April 5, 2011, 09:17 PM
Yay Delaware haha. Yeah it sucks being so close to the people's republic of MD. Thankfully I'm not there too often...even though I live 5 miles from border!

Visit the boardwalk at rehobeth but stay in Lewes or somewher else.

Enjoy
Why not stay in Rehoboth?

Sam1911
April 5, 2011, 10:31 PM
then throw in the exceptions Sam cited.

Other than shooting related events, how can a non-resident stop in Maryland for an extended period, unrelated to traveling through?


Well, one of the exceptions I cited was that you could keep a handgun at your hotel.

kingpin008
April 5, 2011, 11:29 PM
This does not apply to any person wearing, carrying or transporting a handgun within the confines of real estate owned or leased by him, or on which he resided,

Note the bolded bit. While you are staying at a hotel or friend's house in MD, you are residing there. That makes having the gun legal. As long as you follow the laws regarding transport and storage as well, you're good to go.

Thlax
April 6, 2011, 01:30 AM
Why not stay in Rehoboth?
Nothing wrong with Rehob, just a little to touristy. Lewes keeps you close yet separated at the same time. Either way you'll have a great time! Get some Dollys saltwater taffy, swing by the candy kitchen for more sugar, if your a fan of grottos pizza (I'm not) they're everywhere.

I also enjoy Bethany. Dewey is for party. If your in Lewes, your right next to thr Cape May ferry as well which is a nice day trip, but the gun can't come :(

REL1203
April 6, 2011, 09:49 AM
My wife and I own a beach house in Rehoboth for the last 5 years. Its fantastic. Its clean, safe, and alot fun. I live in Northern VA, and have to drive through MD for awhile to get to DE. I belong to an awesome gun club in DE and just about every time i go, i bring something with me. I generally never stop in MD if I dont have to. I keep my guns in one bag, and all ammo in another. Never combine. We are generally in Rehoboth every other weekend in the summer, and at least once a month in off season.

PcolaDawg
April 6, 2011, 09:53 AM
Nothing wrong with Rehob, just a little to touristy. Lewes keeps you close yet separated at the same time. Either way you'll have a great time! Get some Dollys saltwater taffy, swing by the candy kitchen for more sugar, if your a fan of grottos pizza (I'm not) they're everywhere.

I also enjoy Bethany. Dewey is for party. If your in Lewes, your right next to thr Cape May ferry as well which is a nice day trip, but the gun can't come :(
My wife and I own a beach house in Rehoboth for the last 5 years. Its fantastic. Its clean, safe, and alot fun. I live in Northern VA, and have to drive through MD for awhile to get to DE. I belong to an awesome gun club in DE and just about every time i go, i bring something with me. I generally never stop in MD if I dont have to. I keep my guns in one bag, and all ammo in another. Never combine. We are generally in Rehoboth every other weekend in the summer, and at least once a month in off season.
Thanks for the advice. Looking forward to it. :)

harrygunner
April 6, 2011, 12:51 PM
Sam, Kingpin -

The words 'residences', 'residence' and 'resides' all appear in Section 4-203.

http://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2010/criminal-law/title-4/subtitle-2/4-203/

One reference is about transporting from a place of purchase to ones residence. A non-resident can't pick up a handgun in Maryland, so the word 'residence' could not apply to a hotel or a friend's house one is visiting.

So, I'm reading 'resides' with the standard meaning, the same meaning that reference connotes.

Here's a Maryland LEO's opinion (that should not be trusted) http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/general-firearm-discussion/4902-traveling-md-eastern-shore.html#post50777

Here's a former assistant Atty General's response saying "... Maryland's appellate courts have not addressed the issue of whether a hotel room is a bona fide residence ..." http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/general-firearm-discussion/4902-traveling-md-eastern-shore.html#post50843

Here's the same assistant Atty General saying FOPA allows the transportation of a firearm through Maryland. http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?68917-Illegally-searched-by-Montgomery-County-PD&p=1146514&viewfull=1#post1146514

Here's a lively, more recent discussion on this.
http://www.dcshooters.com/showthread.php?t=32069

Personally, I have no intention of being in Maryland, but I suggest caution to anyone traveling through that state.

Sam1911
April 6, 2011, 01:30 PM
A non-resident can't pick up a handgun in Maryland, so the word 'residence' could not apply to a hotel or a friend's house one is visiting.

Please clarify. What do you mean a non-resident cannot "pick up" a handgun in Maryland?

Here's a quoted section of a post by member Novus Collectus:

Now for the hotel room carry.
(6) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a person on real estate that the person owns or leases or where the person resides or within the confines of a business establishment that the person owns or leases;You are leasing the hotel room and you are residing there. As I see it, you can carry in the hotel room loaded.

harrygunner
April 6, 2011, 01:46 PM
1) I'm sure you are aware one must pick up a purchased handgun in their state of residence. If I'm a non-resident in Maryland, I can buy a handgun there, but I can't acquire it there. I must acquire it from a FFL in my home state. That's why the word 'residence' in that Maryland statute can not apply to non-residents.

2) What standing does the opinion of "Novus Collectus" have? He makes it clear he is not an attorney.

Sam1911
April 6, 2011, 01:59 PM
1) That clarifies your meaning. You meant "transfer," not literally to "pick up." (I thought perhaps you were stating that it was illegal for a non-resident to touch (pick up) a handgun in MD, which would be patently false.)

2) Of course, but his point appears valid. You are leasing the room for the evening, which falls into one of the approved categories.

In my case, if I'm bringing a gun into MD, I'm almost always on my way to a "formal or informal" shooting engagement (usually a formal one, actually) so I'm in pretty good shape there.

harrygunner
April 6, 2011, 02:34 PM
I know this Maryland law is absurd. Back in 2006, my daughter wanted to visit DC and NYC. I knew FOPA would not apply since I'm not allowed to have a handgun at my final destination, NYC. But I read Maryland law anyway, and came to my conclusion.

Family landed in Virginia. I kept the hotel room in VA with my handgun in the room safe as we drove to spent a few days in NYC. Drove back to Virgina and enjoyed several sights in that free state.

DC was just a subway ride away. Felt some anger walking on Constitution Avenue in DC, stripped of my Constitutional rights. :confused:

cskny
April 6, 2011, 06:27 PM
Wow, how bizarre.

So based on this logic, before I decide to visit a state I suppose I should also check into all laws on every other socially relevant issue to make sure I agree?

Healthcare, abortion, social services, budgets, organized labor, gay rights, etc... ???

Or is it only logical to boycott visiting states based on gun rights?

kingpin008
April 6, 2011, 06:47 PM
I've been thinking that exact thing this whole time, CSKNY.

And even if some here choose to boycott because of the gun rights issue, boycotts really don't do much good unless the place being boycotted is informed of the action, and the reasoning behind it. Otherwise, what's the point, other than willfully restricting your own freedom?

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