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Jimineer
March 30, 2011, 10:43 PM
I just joined the NRA for the first time. I challenge anyone else that has not joined to consider doing so as well.

Can we use this thread to track how many followers we can get to do so as well?

I hope this doesn't violate THR rules......its for a good cause, obviously. I've also posted in a forum that appears to get more "traffic" so it may not be in the most appropriate forum. Again, sorry if a violation.

Please Join and let everyone know by responding to this post so that others will do the same and join.

Thanks.

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Jimineer
March 30, 2011, 11:27 PM
So far a resounding flop :confused:

JoeMal
March 30, 2011, 11:28 PM
I would assume most of us here are already members

Larry Ashcraft
March 30, 2011, 11:31 PM
I would assume most of us here are already members
Right, preaching to the choir, as it were.

Still, not a bad idea.

Nico Testosteros
March 31, 2011, 01:03 AM
Not gonna do it. I'm not a joiner and they are too reactionary for me.

Gordon_Freeman
March 31, 2011, 01:10 AM
I've been a member for the past 3 years. Without the NRA, no private citizen could own firearms, and that's a fact. If we all quit the NRA, this country would have similar gun rights of Canada, Australia, and all the other countries who don't have gun rights.
I don't receive junk mail from the NRA.

Nushif
March 31, 2011, 02:36 AM
[...] too reactionary for me.

While I am a joiner ... that's my stance on it. Like any other large organization they got caught up in their cause after a while and started interpreting it. 8(

ArfinGreebly
March 31, 2011, 03:54 AM
Well, certainly we don't want to join an organization that actually carries any amount of real clout in the political and legislative arena.

That would sully our principles.

Personally, I'm waiting for a huge organization to appear that completely complies with my personal policies.

Then I'll join. That is, after they've proven they're worthy.

One thing's for sure, I ain't joinin' no association that don't meet my standards, no matter how many years they've been in the game.

Heh. I ain't no fool.

Ignition Override
March 31, 2011, 04:40 AM
Nico Testosteros:
I had seldom ever touched a gun until age 52, back in '07.

My vague impressions (years ago) of the NRA left me a little bit skeptical about the association, but they were based only upon the very flawed, distorted and typically fragmentary, ignorant, deceptive media objectives.

Hours of independent reading along with many chats with law-abiding US citizens (civilian and military) have totally changed my impressions, and left me frustrated with the agendas of most of the media.
Any large group becomes a bit unwieldy and is forced to accept compromise.

I'm thankful that the NRA, CMP and other associations keep us from being totally controlled by the ignorant, hysterical policies as is the case in the UK, Australia etc.
Total government control is the mantra of the anti-gun types.

PhotonSD
March 31, 2011, 04:44 AM
I am a member, but if memory serves it is time to refresh my membership. Thanks for the reminder.

isc
March 31, 2011, 04:50 AM
I would give the NRA more money if thwy wouldn't keep soliciting me fotr donations after I pay dues then sell my info to telemarketers afterwards.

One year I signed up but changed my name slightly to see what they did with my personal info. Sure enough, my Nomme de guerre was getting junk mail for the next two years. I can only assume I would have been getting phone calls if I gave them my number.

Paying the telemarkters and bulk mailers has to have cost at least 1/3 of my $30 donation and that doesn't even get to the money they spend on their high overhead.

I no longer donate to the NRA, I switched after they endorsed and campaigned for Harry Reid. The GOA or Jews for the protection of Firearms is a much better steward of my donated money

ObsidianOne
March 31, 2011, 05:02 AM
Already a member :neener:

I enjoy my yearly free hat, window stickers, millions of letters asking for further donations (Maybe this is what they spend my dues on ;)), and my American Rifleman subscription.

I recently received a home defense DVD that had a cool collectible NRA coin with it.
Said that if I want, I can keep the DVD for $12.95, or if I don't want it, to throw the case away, put the DVD in the prepaid envelope and send it back and keep the coin for free.
But if you read further, it says that since I did not order the DVD, I can "consider it a gift".
I'm wondering if this is a morality or stupid test :D

Unrelated, anyone ever notice we have more angry smilies than anything else?? :fire: :cuss: :banghead: :mad:

ultradoc
March 31, 2011, 08:23 AM
Life member since about 1995

pockets
March 31, 2011, 08:40 AM
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lizziedog1
March 31, 2011, 08:46 AM
I won't join or be part of any organization that would have me as a member.:D

earlthegoat2
March 31, 2011, 09:00 AM
Im a member. Not because I agree with everything they do though.

I dont agree with everything the Repulicans do either. Lesser of two evils so to speak.

JoeMal
March 31, 2011, 09:55 AM
For those of you mentioning the amount of junk mail you get from them; you can call them or go online and stop that mail. They will only send you your renew application and your magazines.

mljdeckard
March 31, 2011, 09:59 AM
Mine had lapsed, I renewed recently.

Is the junk mail and offers from partners annoying? Sure. Does it generate revenue they use to fight for me? Yes. Keep it up then.

Imagine how effective they could be if only HALF of the gun owners who luxuriate in the protection they provide would join and help the fight?

And I use the 'round up' options when I order from Brownell's or Midway. They even off your total to the next full dollar amount or two to put in a trust. They donate the interest to the NRA, that way it never gets smaller.

ForumSurfer
March 31, 2011, 10:26 AM
After seeing even my local liberal media outlets pushing their anit-gun agenda...
http://fayobserver.com/articles/2011/03/31/1082762?sac=Home

I decided to join the NRA and GRNC.

While every organization has certain questionable practices, this is unavoidable and they can't appeal to every gun owner everywhere.

If I don't join some organization who is in the fight or if I'm not out there lobbying constantly and talking to reps...well then I'm doing nothing but blowing hot air on a forum and I'm not even in the fight to keep my rights.

These other organizations are actively working to retrict our rights every day. They are working to get their word out by pushing their agenda in local news media (and local government in this case). The way I see it, we need someone working against them, even if we don't wholesale agree with the group.

YMMV.

Toforo
March 31, 2011, 10:38 AM
For those of you mentioning the amount of junk mail you get from them; you can call them or go online and stop that mail. They will only send you your renew application and your magazines.
+1 B'Jillion

For those that SAY they receive all of the unsolicited email, snailmail, spam, requests for donations - etc....
....it is ENTIRELY the choice of the member - and it's been that way for quite a while.

It's as simple as a phone call to make the changes to your membership as to what you receive (all the crap AND donation requests AND NRA ILA Alerts/Legal News) - or you can receive NOTHING but your free magazine, or JUST the magazine and Donation Requests - or even request NOTHING, including turning down the free magazine.

You can make this change at ANY TIME during your membership, when you renew, when you initially join, or when you upgrade to one of the Life Memberships.

If you have an "online" NRA account (as easy as joining THR here) you can also make the changes and adjustments there.

The NRA is NOTHING if not RESPONSIVE - they do NOT want "unhappy members" due to spam/solicitation issues - they recognized this issue long ago.
Even if you do nothing but join and DON'T CONTRIBUTE, you have helped their cause by making their membership base larger.

By MY CHOICE - I recieve NOTHING from the NRA but "The American Rifleman" magazine in the mail every month.

By MY CHOICE - I receive email NRA "Alerts" that specifically have an effect on MY STATE and MY AREA - no more, no less.

If you're over a certain retirement age (not sure the specific one) you can buy a "Distinguished Life Membership" for $300.00
If you're a Disabled Veteran, regardless of your age, you can buy the same "Distinguished Life Membership" for the same price - $300.00

In my OPINION (YMMV) -
as gun owners, NOT being a member of the NRA because of advertisements and solicitations that are YOUR CHOICE to receive or not receive would be like NOT VOTING because of all the campaign literature thrown at you or because of the registration paperwork.

ForumSurfer
March 31, 2011, 10:47 AM
One more thing...here is my 2 cents:

If you don't join some pro-gun rights organization that is out there working proactively for us or you aren't personally contacting your representatives multiple time a month, then you have zero right to complain when we lose ground and some of our rights are taken away.

It's akin not voting and then complaining about the election results.

USAF_Vet
March 31, 2011, 11:05 AM
My membership expires today, actually. I'm going to eventually renew, if only for the magazine subscription and the free coffee cup.

Seriously, I do plan on renewing my NRA membership, eventually.

AuthorityDenied
March 31, 2011, 11:18 AM
I consider any gun owner who is not a NRA member to be a 2A freeloader, period. I challenge you to name an organization who has done more to preserve our RTKBA than the NRA. We would not have our 2A rights with out them.

forgetitohio
March 31, 2011, 11:21 AM
I'm up for renewal. I can tell by the amount of mail I'm getting.
Got a nice flashlight last yr. Still works!

A state is a perfect body of free men, united together to enjoy common rights and advantages. - Hugo Grotius

USAF_Vet
March 31, 2011, 12:30 PM
I don't see the NRA being the only obstacle in the way of removing the 2A from the Constitution. I know a lot of gun owners who ar not NRA members, mostly veterans, and I would not consider them freeloaders. As a member of the VFW, AMVETS, and soon to be a member of the IAVA (Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America) I can tell ya that the NRA is not alone in their fight to preserve the Second Amendment.

ForumSurfer
March 31, 2011, 12:43 PM
I don't see the NRA being the only obstacle in the way of removing the 2A from the Constitution. I know a lot of gun owners who ar not NRA members, mostly veterans, and I would not consider them freeloaders. As a member of the VFW, AMVETS, and soon to be a member of the IAVA (Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America) I can tell ya that the NRA is not alone in their fight to preserve the Second Amendment.

Just to be clear...I didn't say this:
I consider any gun owner who is not a NRA member to be a 2A freeloader, period. I challenge you to name an organization who has done more to preserve our RTKBA than the NRA. We would not have our 2A rights with out them.

I respect people's rights to not agree with NRA and to not join because of those reasons. I myself disagree with them on a number of issues.

mljdeckard
March 31, 2011, 01:07 PM
I also like to find creative places to put their stickers.

Nushif
March 31, 2011, 03:37 PM
Clout
Well, certainly we don't want to join an organization that actually carries any amount of real clout in the political and legislative arena.

That would sully our principles.

Personally, I'm waiting for a huge organization to appear that completely complies with my personal policies.

Then I'll join. That is, after they've proven they're worthy.

One thing's for sure, I ain't joinin' no association that don't meet my standards, no matter how many years they've been in the game.

Heh. I ain't no fool.

Let's not get into this one too deep, but we can safely assume the NRA is a political organization, right? And as someone so eloquently put on this board once ... 99% of the NRA identifies with one relatively strict view on morality, which does tinge some (read: all the stuff I've ever seen) publications, right?

So, let's for a second assume I am one of those 1% people and I don't want publications that somehow drip of borderline hatred for all my moral beliefs or views on the citizen's duties, right and responsibilities ... sent to my house for me to read.
Do I still have some obligation to join? No!

Every large organization comes with baggage, So what? Does it matter? YES! When the baggage is so large that it manages alienating the people so much that 99%! NINETY NINE PERCENT of its members largely subscribe to one particular political philosophy then I think maybe someone who disagrees with that has the right to not join them and say why they did without being called out "the highroad way."

Would you join PETA because you agree with the broad idea that rabbits shouldn't be caged? NO! Then why am I being called a fool for not joining the NRA just because I feel gun ownership should be pretty much unlimited.

I would even venture to say that the NRA exactly because it is so big and homogenous is one of the reasons this whole gun ownership somehow got shoehorned into the bipartisan debate.

In any case. Continue with your clever little quips.

Kendal Black
March 31, 2011, 03:47 PM
The NRA ain't perfect but they are in the game, fighting for your rights. That counts for more, in my book, than the things they do wrong, don't do enough of, or do too much of. They have real clout on Capitol Hill. That sets them apart from mere rah-rah supporters of the 2nd Amendment.

Lots of things I could tell you that I don't like about 'em, but I'm a Life Member anyway.

1894
March 31, 2011, 04:06 PM
I equate belonging to the NRA with the, "any gun is better than no gun," argument. Until you can develop your own organization with enough political power to flat out refuse to meet with the POTUS on the grounds that it's just silly and still have the stones to make real change, run what you brung. I can't fit a light artillery division on my belt so I carry an SP101. I don't have pics of POTUS and every member of congress performing scenes from 54, so I belong to the NRA - for life.

bigalexe
March 31, 2011, 04:18 PM
I consider any gun owner who is not a NRA member to be a 2A freeloader, period. I challenge you to name an organization who has done more to preserve our RTKBA than the NRA. We would not have our 2A rights with out them.

I consider anyone not driving an American car to be against American Manufacturing.

I consider anyone doing a ride-share program or participating in group buys to be a communist.

I consider anyone without a cellphone to be an old fogey that needs to get with the times.

I consider anyone that doesn't have a CPL and/or carry daily to be FOR THE CRIMINAL because they aren't taking their own security seriously.

I consider anyone not serviced or servicing in the armed forces to be a freeloader of democracy because they aren't defending their country.

Seriously... Shut up, some of us don't have jobs and our limited resources go towards things like FOOD, COLLEGE, and other things that are more immediately important. One day when I am employed I will make charitable donations, but for now I pay for my gun club membership annually so I have somewhere to shoot and then some other recreational stuff I do pay for but I don't make donations to ANYONE.

What is more effective; putting your name on a piece of paper that says you support something, or actually doing the thing you say that you support? Now I am gonna get cliche here but to quote a movie line... What good is a reward if you can't use it?

Kendal Black
March 31, 2011, 04:19 PM
... I don't want publications that somehow drip of borderline hatred for all my moral beliefs or views on the citizen's duties, right and responsibilities ... sent to my house for me to read. ...

Huh? I must be missing something. I have the latest issue of The American Rifleman right here. Could somebody tell me which page that's on?

chrt396
March 31, 2011, 04:28 PM
For those of you mentioning the amount of junk mail you get from them; you can call them or go online and stop that mail. They will only send you your renew application and your magazines.
I joined a little over a year ago when I got back into shooting. I have never gotten SO MANY EMAILS begging for money! Mail pieces coming to the house asking for donations. It never stops!! My membership has expired and I'm really not sure if I want to renew!! I realize that they supposedly protect our rights as gun owners, but the requests for money get real old...fast!! I was not aware that they sold your name and info, but now that you mention it...my inbox on this one email account has doubled over the past year..and now i think I know why! I'll look for the disclosure on opting out of mail and email.

Fmjblack
March 31, 2011, 04:47 PM
One more thing...here is my 2 cents:

If you don't join some pro-gun rights organization that is out there working proactively for us or you aren't personally contacting your representatives multiple time a month, then you have zero right to complain when we lose ground and some of our rights are taken away.

It's akin not voting and then complaining about the election results.

I couldn't agree more. I am an NRA life member and always do the round-up donations when I order stuff online not because I agree with EVERYTHING the NRA does, but because they are the lesser of evils and the ONLY organization for
gun rights with enough political strength to actually make a difference. I'm obviously all for small local gun rights groups, but the white house doesn't even take note of them. As already mentioned, if somebody is put off by the solicitation mail and calls, just call and ask them to stop sending it. If they never sent anything asking for donations most people would never think about donating or even know how to donate beyond renewing their membership.

451 Detonics
March 31, 2011, 04:53 PM
If you don't join some pro-gun rights organization that is out there working proactively for us or you aren't personally contacting your representatives multiple time a month, then you have zero right to complain when we lose ground and some of our rights are taken away.

Thing is the NRA is the only pro gun organization that is actively opposing bad legislation. The other groups such as GOA make noise but have zero influence when it comes to politicians, most don't even know who the GOA is.

I have been a life member for about 30 years now and I have not always agreed with what the NRA has done but I know without them our laws would be like England's.

D94R
March 31, 2011, 05:57 PM
Life member, as of last week.

Toforo
March 31, 2011, 06:14 PM
I'll look for the disclosure on opting out of mail and email

It REALLY REALLY IS that simple ! ! !

jcwit
March 31, 2011, 06:35 PM
For those of you who complain about the mailings, do you not have a trash bin. How do you deal with all the inserts in the sunday paper or magazines, oh ya I assume you do not subscribe to any liturature.

All the mailings can be easily stopped by looking on the NRA's website and following the instructions.

Check here--https://www.nramemberservices.org/faq.asp

Question #9 I believe

To those who feel the NRA does nothing, please subscribe to some of the above noted literature and read the new. If we could only get 90% of the gun owners enrolled and active all of our gun owner problems would be over. I realize this is seems impossible so until it happens the rest of us will carry the rest of you on our back, after all, he,s my brother, if perchance you know the meaning of that phrase.

glove
March 31, 2011, 08:26 PM
NRA life member here.:)

hso
March 31, 2011, 08:30 PM
If all that's holding folks back is the junkmail -

Q: How can I reduce the amount of mail I receive from the NRA?

A: Simply email us at membership@nrahq.org or dial 800-NRA-3888 and request to be placed on the "Do Not Promote" list. This will significantly reduce the amount of mail you receive without affecting important mailings, magazine service, or your membership renewal.

lightman
March 31, 2011, 08:32 PM
Life member here!They do things that we don't like,but they are the only organized voice that we have.If not for them,we would have few gun rights. Lightman

Kendal Black
March 31, 2011, 08:41 PM
If all that's holding folks back is the junkmail -

Q: How can I reduce the amount of mail I receive from the NRA?

A: Simply email us at membership@nrahq.org or dial 800-NRA-3888 and request to be placed on the "Do Not Promote" list. This will significantly reduce the amount of mail you receive without affecting important mailings, magazine service, or your membership renewal.
Thanks! Email sent.

isc
March 31, 2011, 08:44 PM
Q: How can I reduce the amount of mail I receive from the NRA?

A: Simply email us at membership@nrahq.org or dial 800-NRA-3888 and request to be placed on the "Do Not Promote" list. This will significantly reduce the amount of mail you receive without affecting important mailings, magazine service, or your membership renewal.

This did more to persuade me to rejoin the NRA than anything else said in this thread.

2WheelsGood
March 31, 2011, 08:44 PM
I consider anyone not driving an American car to be against American Manufacturing.Even the "American" car companies buy foreign parts and build products overseas. There is NO such thing as an "American" car any longer. And in my town Toyota employs more people than any of the Big Three.

As for the NRA, while I am a member, I became one begrudgingly. But my problem isn't with the NRA specifically, it's with the fact that this country is run (for better or for worse) by lobbyists. That is NOT how this country was supposed to work. The NRA is a no different than the rest of the giant my-lobbyist-can-beat-up-your-lobbyist special interest groups. Our right to keep and bear arms is supposed to come from the Constitution, not the NRA. It's tough for me to support what is a terribly broken system, but the alternative at this point is even worse.

Jimineer
March 31, 2011, 10:52 PM
Even the "American" car companies buy foreign parts and build products overseas. There is NO such thing as an "American" car any longer. And in my town Toyota employs more people than any of the Big Three.

As for the NRA, while I am a member, I became one begrudgingly. But my problem isn't with the NRA specifically, it's with the fact that this country is run (for better or for worse) by lobbyists. That is NOT how this country was supposed to work. The NRA is a no different than the rest of the giant my-lobbyist-can-beat-up-your-lobbyist special interest groups. Our right to keep and bear arms is supposed to come from the Constitution, not the NRA. It's tough for me to support what is a terribly broken system, but the alternative at this point is even worse.
Interesting replies. So maybe I'll get a bunch of junk mail, or may not agree with everything the NRA does, but as long as I get to keep my guns I can deal with it. As with everything, you have to take the good with the bad. Best of two evils. What isn't this way?

TheProf
March 31, 2011, 11:41 PM
I'm a member of the NRA. Overall, they have done more for our cause than any other single person or group for that matter.

While not everyone may agree with them on every single issue, they have advanced our cause.

I'm a proud member and I encourage everyone to be a member as well.

Valkman
April 1, 2011, 03:00 AM
No, you do not have to put up with junk mail from the NRA. Just call them and tell them you want nothing but the magazine and watch what happens. I did that years ago and I still get no junk!

xfyrfiter
April 1, 2011, 03:51 PM
I shoot and I own firearms. I am a life member, I also ride motorcycles , I am a AMA member. These two organizations have the political clout to try to protect my rights to recreate, and defend myself, so I can put up with a little junk mail, or I can opt out. Not that expensive or difficult in any case.

rugerman
April 1, 2011, 03:58 PM
Sorry can't join, Lifer since 76

Ala Dan
April 1, 2011, 04:02 PM
Read my signature line~! ;) :D

Kendal Black
April 1, 2011, 07:10 PM
Q: How can I reduce the amount of mail I receive from the NRA?

A: Simply email us at membership@nrahq.org or dial 800-NRA-3888 and request to be placed on the "Do Not Promote" list. This will significantly reduce the amount of mail you receive without affecting important mailings, magazine service, or your membership renewal.

I sent the email and got a prompt and polite reply to the effect that I can now expect much less mail. Good!

jcwit
April 1, 2011, 07:35 PM
I now hope all of these members who no longer will be gitting the "extra" mail will still help support the NRA thru contributions in addition to their membership.

Remember these are the folks who are watching our back in Washington.

mokin
April 1, 2011, 08:09 PM
I've been a member off and on for the last 30 or so years. I could've bought a life membership several time over by now. I've been pretty steady at renewals now for the last eight or nine years. Anyway I only recieve a renewal notice and a membership card from them. I also contribute regularly a little bit at a time through the "Round-up" option offered by Midway when I order stuff.

Gordon_Freeman
April 1, 2011, 08:11 PM
It is important that all gun owners stand united under the NRA. I had never even heard of the GOA until recently. I've known about the NRA for decades.
Don't be a 2nd amendment freeloader.

TexasKid
April 1, 2011, 08:40 PM
Im a member

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