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kingcheese
March 31, 2011, 09:26 AM
my understanding of how to get a suppressor leds me to believe that i first go and talk to the dealer, then fill out a couple of forms, get fingure printed, get a passport sized photo, send it of with a check for 200 bucks then wait

if thats not accurate please correct me

what i am wanting to do is buy a ppk in 380 auto and then supress it with a gemtech tundra

what i am really wanting to know is how the device attachs to the gun, it looks like the barrel has to be threaded, but looking at some of the attachment mounts led me to believe that it might be able to be held in place with a couple of set screws

i guess in a nut shell im asking what do i have to do to mount that specific supressor and if i can buy a threaded barrel anywhere or if i have to have an exsisting one threaded

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Ironman
March 31, 2011, 09:32 AM
1. No set screws, lol.

2. You can send your gun to adco or tornado tech and they will extend and thread your factory barrel.

3. The tundra is an old design and not up to par with todays standards

4. The PPK is a LOUD host.

5. www.silencertalk.com

Topos
March 31, 2011, 09:38 AM
Some years ago at gun show I saw a PPK that the smith
had replaced its barrel with a PPK/S longer barrel and
then threaded it. From what he described he had to
make a jig to safely push the PPK barrel out and then
push the longer barrel in. Hunt "PPK barrel removal"
on the net.

In use he confessed that it was a waste of time as the sound
reduction was not 'James Bond'.

Ironman
March 31, 2011, 10:05 AM
If you want ultimate suppression and a smile everytime you shoot the stick with a SigP226 9mm as a host(quietest per yrs of testing) and a AAC TiRant, Silencerco Osprey, or the latest verison Gemtech multimount.

These average 124-125dB dry(no water to enhance suppression) on the P226. Thats backyard shootable....with close neighbors.

The Beretta M92, G19, and HK USP9SD are also good hosts but for some reason the barrel stays locked up on the Sig a fraction of a second longer which traps more highpressure gas in the suppressor instead of letting it "bark" out the ejection port. Forget the PPK, its garbage for suppressor use.

kingcheese
March 31, 2011, 10:55 AM
well, i geuss im going about it the wrong way then, what is the absolute best host for a supressor, im looking for something bigger then a .22, but i could settle with it if it was a really good comination

Ironman
March 31, 2011, 02:07 PM
:scrutiny: I just.....told you.

Ranb
March 31, 2011, 02:09 PM
What Ironman said. I suppressed a 380 blowback pistol (Norinco type 59, like a Makarov) and it was loud, too much ejection port noise. Waste of time.

Ranb

kingcheese
March 31, 2011, 03:04 PM
sorry ironman, i took what you where saying to be an alternative, i didnt relize that you were suggesting the best :(

Mike OTDP
March 31, 2011, 03:13 PM
"Best" is a loaded term. If it's your first suppressed firearm, I would really suggest a .22, as it's a lot cheaper to feed.

kingcheese
March 31, 2011, 03:22 PM
"Best" is a loaded term. If it's your first suppressed firearm, I would really suggest a .22, as it's a lot cheaper to feed.

if being cheaper is the only reason, then im not supper interested in a .22, but i am still slightly open to the idea, any good .22s for the task?

SharpsDressedMan
March 31, 2011, 03:34 PM
The PPK in .22 is about as good as any other blowback .22, but very expensive. I have progressed to the Beretta .22's. Some have used the Beretta 21 with an extended barrel, but I prefer the medium sized Model 72, 71, or 75 Beretta with a 6 inch barrel cut back and threaded. Here is mine. There is not much in the way of offerings between the .22 and 9mm; 9mm seems to be the next practical step up, and there are some sweet compact 9's, but longer, threaded barrels for them might be a task to find. I have a Docter sight on my Beretta, and the package is reasonably small, very light (AAC Pilot suppressor), and very efficient with the Docter sight. The entire unit, with Docter sight fits a large Bianchi X-15 shoulder holster with no modifications. http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/matquig/DSC05365.jpg

Ironman
March 31, 2011, 06:43 PM
If you go with a .22lr host/suppressor then stay with a barrel under 4.5" or else youll have to use subsonic ammo. Any barrel 4.5" or less will run the bulk pack high velocity ammo without breaking the sound barrier and producing loud sonic crack.

If you want some a** behind your setup the I suggest a SigP226 and silencerco Osprey or AAC Tirant suppressor and fiocchi 158grn ammo. This is not only spooky quiet for a 9mm but hits with authority.

Keith@Liberty
March 31, 2011, 07:01 PM
Check out our Mystic, it's rated for 20+ different cartridges. Anything from .22 up to .308 subsonic loads. We have various mounts available so it can be mounted on a pistol, sub gun, or on a rifle. If you have any questions call us or send us an email. Here's the link to the Mystic page on our site http://www.libertycans.net/mystic.html. We actually love shooting it on our Sig P226 as seen on our page.

kingcheese
March 31, 2011, 11:13 PM
If you want some a** behind your setup the I suggest a SigP226 and silencerco Osprey or AAC Tirant suppressor and fiocchi 158grn ammo. This is not only spooky quiet for a 9mm but hits with authority.
so, i looked up the tirant and like what i see, what exactly do i need to mount it to the P226, can i buy an off the shelf barrel with threads, or do i have to have the original/replacement barrel shipped somewhere to get the threads,

thanks for all the input thus far

rjrivero
March 31, 2011, 11:28 PM
Liberty Mystic:

Kieth does not lie. I just got a Liberty Mystic from them, and it's longer than the Trident-9 that I have, and longer than the Osprey-9. It's also a bit heavier than either of them, but damn if it's not quieter than either of them as well.

Such a nice design, as well. It will be my "go to" can for the 300 BLACKOUT project I'm working on. ;)

kingcheese
April 1, 2011, 09:00 AM
any help on how to mount the suppressor, if you havent figured it out yet, i know almost nothing about theese things, and i need an idea of how much it will cost for me to mount the suppressor, and if i had a link to a website that sells threaded barrels for a large amount of different firearms, that would all help

my plan is to choose one of two projects for the summer, i am either going to make a pistol grip nagant rifle, or i am going to buy a pistol then supress it, but i need an idea about how much the pistol is going to cost total, i am hoping that this summer all have 2-3G's to put on it,


and one last question, is harder or easier to supress a .45acp, i know that it moves slower then a 9mm, and it sounds like speed makes a big difference, and i have found a source for 1911 barrels with threads

all help is appreciated and thanks for the responses so far

kingpin008
April 1, 2011, 09:57 AM
Sorry for the off-topic comment, but God help me, I first read the title of this thread as "Suppressed pork".

Needless to say, I was momentarily very confused on a number of levels. :o I'm glad it's actually a thread about guns, and not a new level of "tactical bacon".

Anyway, sorry for the thread drift. I'll let ya'll get back to matters at hand. :)

SharpsDressedMan
April 1, 2011, 06:30 PM
Probably fron the sheer volume of gases created, a .45 is harder to suppress effectively than 9mm is with subsonic ammo. A .45 is probably going to be 10-20% louder than a comparably suppressed 9mm (subsonic in both). There are nice suppressors for both, and the technology is still advancing, but I think the 9mm will always be the easier or most effectively suppressed of the two.

Keith@Liberty
April 2, 2011, 09:52 AM
hey cheese here are 2 links to barrels that we use and recommend:
Jarvis - http://www.jarvis-custom.com/Products/tabid/53/ctl/ProductDisplay/categoryId/11/mid/388/Default.aspx

(for Glock) Lone Wolf - http://www.lonewolfdist.com/products.aspx?CAT=4

These are just drop in barrel's meaning that no mods have to be made to the gun to accept them. Simply take off your current barrel and drop one of these in and you're threaded and ready for a suppressor

Hope these help
Keith

dprice3844444
April 6, 2011, 11:03 AM
find a high standard trophy and buy a spare barrel.have the spare barrel sent to manufacturer and have a barrell over conversion done.then you will have an unsupreesed bbl and a supressed bbl.or,buy ruger 512 ss pistol and have a bbl over conversion done on that

dprice3844444
April 6, 2011, 11:04 AM
the walther 22 is a tph

kingcheese
April 7, 2011, 09:19 AM
tph?

Flynt
April 8, 2011, 05:12 PM
These average 124-125dB dry(no water to enhance suppression) on the P226. Thats backyard shootable....with close neighbors.

Ironman, isn't 125 db still really loud? I looked on a decibel comparison chart, and it said pain beings at 125 db. A gunshot is 140 db.

http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/loudness.html

Am I missing something?

SharpsDressedMan
April 8, 2011, 06:01 PM
Walther made a .22 TPH model, but they also made a .22 PPK.

rjrivero
April 9, 2011, 10:55 AM
Ironman, isn't 125 db still really loud? I looked on a decibel comparison chart, and it said pain beings at 125 db. A gunshot is 140 db.

http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/loudness.html

Am I missing something?

Not really. 140 is considered "hearing safe." Continuous sound at 125db will cause hearing loss. Impulse sound at 140 will also cause pain after prolonged
exposure.

It's not only a function of the db exposure but also the duration of the exposure that causes hearing loss and pain.

Shooting with a suppressor is much like wearing ear muffs. A good 25db Reduction give or take, is what you can expect. If you expect "Hollywood Quiet" then you probably will be disappointed in the real world of Suppressed Firearms.

MDW GUNS
April 10, 2011, 11:41 AM
...5. www.silencertalk.com...

Interesting site while very bias towards AAC.
A blow back firearm is not a good suppressor host.
Take a look at this site and you will find most likely an answer to any of your questions: www.gem-tech.com/store/pc/viewContent.asp?idpage=7

Ranb
April 10, 2011, 12:40 PM
I was at a gun store yesterday and looked at a Walther PK380. It is recoil operated, not blowback. This is a real plus if a person wants to attach a silencer. But I have not been able to locate a threaded barrel for it yet. If I can, I will probably get one some day.

Ranb

Ironman
April 11, 2011, 09:55 AM
^
Good to know.

And to the OP as much as I am NOT a AAC fanboy, they did put up a decent website soley for educating those who are interested in suppressors. Take the "courses" and it should answer most of your questions.
http://www.aaccanu.com/

And to the question about 125db being loud....no it is not. You have to understand that db's are logarithmic. So a unsuppressed gun is 30times louder than a suppressed firearm. Also remember that the higher end suppressor designers build suppressors that use high frequency tones as a higher tone will drop off over distance faster than a low frequency. There is A LOT of science that goes into designing them and without going into fluid dynamics, heat exhange, and expansion ill say that at the end you have a product that "masks" the firing of a gun to not sound like a gunshot and is hearing safe to boot.

rjrivero
April 11, 2011, 10:33 AM
...5. www.silencertalk.com...

Interesting site while very bias towards AAC.

It's owned by AAC's Robert Silvers.

kingcheese
April 13, 2011, 10:14 AM
lots of good information, but i have yet another question, when you guys say it is quiet, about how close to it would you have to be to hear it? obiously its got to make some noise, but if i where to shoot it , would the neighbors about 100 or so yards away here it from inside there house? i am sure they get tired of the noise my m38 mosin nagant makes :)

gearhead
April 13, 2011, 12:57 PM
I found some references that indicate the decibel level of hammering nails into wood is in the 125-127 dB level. So while it's certainly not "Hollywood quiet" a can that gets you to 125 dB will usually mask that firearm signature. Whether it will keep the neighbors and local Law Enforcement off your back is another matter. Maybe if you set up some sawhorses and a "construction project" before taking the handgun into your back yard?

kingcheese
April 13, 2011, 02:08 PM
now, that i have an idea of what i want, how exactly do i go abour aquirring it, i know i need a dealer and some paper work, but who all do i have to go through, and how do i find a dealer, i live in indiana, about 50 miles south of indy, when i got a concealed carry permit i had to go through county law enforcement so i am guessing id hae to go through them again.

anything from start to finish is apreciated.

and i do like the construction idea :)

kingpin008
April 13, 2011, 03:18 PM
kingcheese - while the folks here are a great resources, a little Googling can go a long way towards answering your questions:

"How to buy a suppressor" turned up this:
www.silencerresearch.com/Silencerguide.pdf

And "Class III dealers in Indiana" gave me this:
http://ingunowners.com/forums/class_iii_nfa/61627-list_of_class_3_dealers_in_indiana.html

There is a whole world of info at your fingertips, young Jedi. You have but to use it. :) :neener: :)

MDW GUNS
April 13, 2011, 04:50 PM
...It's owned by AAC's Robert Silvers...

I know and when I stated that in the Beretta Forum I was banned without even an explanation!
He was pulling his typical thing:
1. Donates to the forum and becomes the "body of the mod(s)/owner".
2. Creates multiple fictitious accounts.
3. Then with one account high quality pictures are posted with an AAC suppressor (oh sorry, AAC's are silencers).
The pictures are so good that the guy either is a pro photographer or should be one!
4. Then 3-4 "other member" sing the glory song on the AAC service and product quality and how much better the product is then xxx.
As proof tests from "silencertalk.com" are quoted.
5. If anyone states different, moderators "correct" these "false statements" to the point that that person is kicked out.

By the way, there is no such thing as a silencer, unless you count assassins!
A gun/shot are never 100% silent.
It's like the bullet proof vest! ;)

txhoghunter
April 13, 2011, 05:12 PM
Kingcheese, no neighbors 100 yds away will most likely no know that you are shooting a suppressed pistol when you fire. And as far as mounting it goes, you can buy a stock P226 with a threaded barrel already installed.

Look here (http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p226-combat-tb.aspx), and here (http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p226-elite-dark-threaded-barrel.aspx).

kingpin008
April 13, 2011, 05:35 PM
By the way, there is no such thing as a silencer, unless you count assassins!

Untrue. The term suppressor is a relatively modern term for such devices. In fact, Hiram Maxim (considered to be the "father" of modern suppressors) trademarked his creation as the "Maxim Silencer".

MDW GUNS
April 13, 2011, 06:42 PM
"New" (quite a stretch of the word) maybe, but correct.
Not long ago people called a magazine a clip and lot of people still do.
Or as I already wrote, the famous "bullet proof vest".

kingcheese
April 13, 2011, 09:44 PM
ok, one more question and i think i got it covered, if i wanted to paint the supressor, would i have to make any changes to paper work?, im thinking maybe gold, or silver, or my favorite, od green:rolleyes:

MDW GUNS
April 14, 2011, 03:33 AM
Make sure not to make the serial number unreadable and also that the paint is heat resistant.

kingcheese
April 14, 2011, 02:07 PM
ok, well thats all i needed guys, thanks for the information

gearhead
April 14, 2011, 03:35 PM
Cerakote works very well on suppressors.

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