[hi-impact]

1. What are the top 3 unfriendly gun states?

2. Do you currently live in one of these states?

3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do still choose to live there?

4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?

[BryanP]

1. Based on comments by other users I'd have to guess California, New Jersey and Massachusetts, with Illinois right behind them.

2. Not only no but !@#$ no.

[Richardson]

2. Do you currently live in one of these states?

I live in Illinois, which gives the others a run for their money...

3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do still choose to live there?

Giving up the battle in Illinois (or another anti-RKBA state) would only make it worse for the other states.

4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?

Gun confiscation, or a state-wide ban on handguns or assault style weapons.

Richardson

[DWS1117]

Again based on other user comments it would seem that Maryland is very friendly towards the gun culture.

I'm in Texas and have no reason to move.:D

[AJ Dual]

How about:

California
New Jersey
Hawaii


Although Illinois isn't great, Chicago, FOID cards etc.
Massechusets has all sorts of funky permits too, but getting a CCW isn't exactly impossible there either, so that balances things out just a tad.

New York, ouside NYC, isn't actually too bad, but I think you need some kind of handgun permit and waiting period etc. "May Issue" CCW isn't too bad in rural counties though.

WI is great except for the lack of CCW, hopefully to be rectified soon, and that big city chiefs and sherrifs probably won't sign ATF MG, Silencer, and Short Barreled paperwork.

WI is notable as CCW is forbidden for everybody except sworn LEO's. We don't even have "May Issue" permits for the political and wealthy eliete, stalking victims (even if the sherrif is sympathetic) Private Eye's, Jewlers etc.

So on one hand, WI is currently just about the "toughest" CCW state, but on the other, it's good as it means all those retired LEO's, PI's. Jewlers, rich folks may have been on our side throughout the fight.

I stay in WI, because:

1. Other than CCW, the gun laws are really no worse than the federal ones/just about as good as any other place you might name. For a state east of the Mississippi, and north of Kentucky, we've got a pretty decent "gun culture" IMO.
2. Since I'm a law-abiding and relatively clean-cut guy, I have very minimal police contact, so I feel I could "get away" with CCW if I "absolutely had to", either on moral 2nd Ammendment grounds, or practical grounds such as being stalked.
3. We're hopefully a week away from getting CCW here.

[tcdrennen]

1. NJ, NY, MA, IL
2. I live in CA, but not in the Blue area - though Orange County isn't too far from L.A. :(
3. I still live here because the cause is worth fighting for, and the WEATHER is the best anywhere.
4. Great job/income and acceptable climate (little/no snow, low humidity, temperate year round.)

I've lived in the Northeast (NY, MA, PA, OH) and was stationed in the Far East, Persian Gulf, Caribbean and Virginia while in the Navy; I've travelled through most of the U.S. at various times of year. So Cal has the best of it all for climates.

[Wedge]

I can't name the top 3, but I live in NY and it is not all that friendly. The hoops to go through to get a CCW are borderline ridiculous but at least now I can go in buy a handgun and bring it home that day (if I time all the paperwork right). I would like to stay because if we can move NY, a May Issue state to a Shall Issue state (at least outside of NYC) then I would say that there is a lot of hope for the rest of the country. Gun confiscation would cause me.

[cratz2]

I live in Indiana which by comparison of our neighbor to the west is extremely gun-friendly. I can't think of any 'rights' I would like on a daily basis that I am denied other than being able to hunt with a centerfire rifle.

Texas seems to be a pretty gun-friendly state. Used to live there... may again at some point.

Anyone live in Montana? That's the only other state I can realistically see myself moving to anytime soon.

[geekWithA.45]

1. What are the top 3 unfriendly gun states?

NJ, CA, IL

2. Do you currently live in one of these states?

Yes, NJ.

3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do still choose to live there?

I don't. We're out of here.

4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?

See #3

[El Tejon]

crat, no hunting with centerfire? ***? It depends.:D You need to get out of the city sometime. I'll introduce you to some tree farmers.:p

Hmmm, based on my knowledge I would say MA, NJ and CA. As far as cities, Chicago, D.C. and Boston.

[Chipperman]

1. What are the top 3 unfriendly gun states?
Debatable, but MA is usually on there

2. Do you currently live in one of these states?
MA

3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do still choose to live there?
B/C I grew up here.
B/C I have a Class A CCW that allows me to carry any handgun I want. I also can have machine guns, which many other supposedly pro gun states do not allow.
B/CI can carry into any restaurant or bar, unlike a lot of states
B/C somebody needs to stay behind to carry on the fight

4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?
A better job and house
or new legislation that would take away my CCW, Machine guns, or any other guns I own.

[Jonesy9]

NJ, IL and CA


NY and MA get honorable mention.

I live in MA, the only really bad thing is the safety laws which prevent us from buying all the latest and greatest till they get approved. Yeah, paying to tke a safety class sucks but I got over it once I saw some of the people in my class! yikes!

That being said, never heard of anyone getting turned down for CCW as long as they took a class and filled out the forms, although under Republican Governors the fees have skyrocketed lest they have to raise taxes, still feels like a tax to me whatever they call it. Check that, there was one I heard about but he lied on the app, bad move.

Boston has no anti gun statutes. I was sipping a vodka tonic watching a fully nude dancer while carrying my G19 the other night. In most of the country you can't even have booze and full nude let alone carry in bars.

[Carbonator]

Don't forget DC. So it's not a state, but it's among the worst.

[Secmat]

I've been offered a position in a gun friendly state, but it would still be strange having to take a class and having to get a permit to carry. I've carried in VT without having to have a permit for about 25 years, and have been shooting handguns for 34 years. Culture shock...

I was offered a lucrative position in NY last year, but declined. Couldn't fathom needing permission just to own a hand gun. Sheesh...:rolleyes:

[Mal H]

DWS1117, did you mean MD isn't very gun friendly? Of course it may be only the jurisdictions I'm most familiar with, the ones that touch the beltway, that make that state seem unfriendly.

Carbonator - absolutely right about DC. If it were a state it would head the list. It would also head the list in gun crimes per capita - go figure.

[AnklePocket]

I think it may be about individual rights (of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness) vs. collective duty void of values. I've concluded that life will be much more enjoyable where our Founding Fathers' concepts are still alive. Unfortunately it isn't in New Jersey and the RKBA issues are only a part of it. We'll be gone, hopefully, by the summer.
Core American Values are consistent across all issues.

[LynnMassGuy]

I can tell you first hand, MA is not a gun friendly state.:banghead:

I stay because of my job.

I want to move. When the company I work for has a postion for me NH I will go and I will let my reps know why I am leaving.

[4v50 Gary]

CA and I live here. My semis are out of state. No new guns unless they pass the drop test. No old guns since they will never be submitted for a drop test.

BTW, the only reason why I'm still here is that I'm not eligible for retirement yet and I'm too old to start working on another retirement.

[DWS1117]

Yep. That's what I meant to type..looks like I missed a couple of letters.

[FPrice]

1. What are the top 3 unfriendly gun states?

NJ, MD, CA (as far as I can tell) My present home state of MA is certainly one of the worst itself and my answers will reflect that.

2. Do you currently live in one of these states?

MA

3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do still choose to live there?

My job is here and I have 357 days until retirement. My elderly Mom is here and I am a large part of her support system - I can't leave her. AND, if I (and a lot of other pro-gun people) decide to leave here for other places, just who would carry on the fight to reverse the tide of anti-gun legislation? If we give up even one state, that state may become the "ideal" that other anti-gun forces in other states hold up as the way we all need to be. You do NOT win a fight by running away.

4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?

My impending retirement, the concurrence of my wife, and the ability to move my Mother with me. Even then I worry about the last part of my answer to no. 3.

[LAMPROPELTIS]

Dont forget Connecticut The We violate the Constitution State...:rolleyes:

[Highland Ranger]

1. What are the top 3 unfriendly gun states?
Answered. NJ CA certainly IL too, then Mass, Maryland and the rest as honorable mentions.


2. Do you currently live in one of these states?
Yup, NJ.


3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do still choose to live there?
Because there is more to life than guns - Folks with particularly strong family ties don't move too far from family. If you are in the process of raising an existing family, you don't uproot children without really good cause. Job market plays into it as well - not too many high paying consulting jobs on a mountaintop in Tenn . . . Besides, I don't need a gun to be dangerous! :-)


4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?
I think I agree with what others have said - we're close to PA, if they came for the guns, I think that would do it - we'd have to scoot over the border into the promised land. Hell of a commute though . . .

[Standing Wolf]

Three of the main reasons I left the People's Republic of California was its hostility toward my First, Second, and Fourth Amendment civil rights. Life is much better in the United States.

[Black Majik]

1. What are the top 3 unfriendly gun states?

CA, MA, NJ

2. Do you currently live in one of these states?

PRK - California

3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do still choose to live there?

2 W's...

The weather

&

The women!

4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?

Great weather, beautiful women, near a beach, lenient gun laws (anythings better than here), the possibility to get an AR (I want one so bad), and lower taxes.

[riverdog]

To paraphrase 4v50 Gary:
CA and I live here. My semi (rifles) are out of state. No new guns unless they pass the drop test. No old guns ... unless someone else in the state decides to sell and I can find it on consignment. All handguns are registered at time of purchase. I've paid some ridiculous prices for pistols that are reasonable everywhere else. Call it the California surcharge on old pistols.

I'll be here until finances change, then I'm a dot. Love the weather, but I don't mind the rain in the NorthWest nor the summer heat in Arizona & Nevada.

Along with California, I'd say MD and MA.

[captlid]

1. What are the top 3 unfriendly gun states?
Cities: nyc, dc, chicago
2. Do you currently live in one of these states?
live in nyc
3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do you still choose to live there?
rkba doesnt trump family. anyway I am still free to practice civil disobedience.
4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?
a war.

[Biff]

BlackMajik-

Based on your answer to #4, you ought to consider Florida. Try out this website and look at the discussions:

http://forums.delphiforums.com/flahighpower/start

Gotta register, but its free.

[Ironbarr]

4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?

Great weather, beautiful women, near a beach, lenient gun laws (anythings better than here), the possibility to get an AR (I want one so bad), and lower taxes. There may be some other states, but you just described Virginia Beach, VA.

Seasonal weather, generally UN-harsh; beautiful women native AND swarms of summer visitors; Shall Issue ($50) 5 years; AR's available at reasonable prices; lower taxes. Of course, with all this, you may or may not find pay scales the same; but then, the costs aren't the same.

FWIW.

http://www.vbgov.com/default/
http://www.virginia.gov/cmsportal/

-Andy

[tiberius]

Great weather, beautiful women, near a beach, lenient gun laws (anythings better than here), the possibility to get an AR (I want one so bad), and lower taxes.
Black Majik,

So when are you moving to Florida? Go Gators!

[Black Majik]

LOL, by all your guys' enthusiastic responses looks like I need to take a nice trip down to FL to take a look around.

What would you guys recommend as nice places to visit. Tampa, Daytona Beach, Miami...

Last time since I was in Florida was when I was 9 or 10... so its been a LONG time, and I went to go see Disneyworld! :D

[tiberius]

I've lived all up and down the East coast from Jacksonville to Palm Beach. Wnet to undergrad in Gainesville. My brother lives in Pensacola. Basically....anyplace but Orlando has possibilites IMHO :).

South Florida (Palm Beach, Broward and Dade counties) is probably best for a CA guy. Of course it depends on your line of work too...not a lot of heavy or hi-tech industry there.

[PAOLO721]

1.What are the top 3 unfriendly gun states?

Illinois, Massachusetts and New York

2. Do you currently live in one of these states?

Hell no.:fire:

3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do you still choose to live there?

N/A

4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?

I am happy here. But a tad warmer weather would be nice.:cool:

Anyone else noticing the pattern of, least gun friendly states = high crime states.

New Hampshire is a hard state to beat. It is gun friendly, no state income tax, no sales tax, very low crime rate and even auto insurance is not compulsory.

[SoCalGeek]

1.What are the top 3 unfriendly gun states?

I'd guess CA, NY, and MA. CA is the only one i know firsthand, though.

2. Do you currently live in one of these states?

Sadly, I live in California.

3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do you still choose to live there?

Because i'm only 15 and my parents like it here.

4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?

The opportunity.

[Amadeus]

I have lived in MA and do live in CA.

While Massachusetts has unappealing permit issues I was still able to get my CCW which I shall never be able to obtain here in California. However; California does exhibit some gun friendly attitudes.

In Massachusetts one cannot even own a firearm without a permit and/or license (depending on the type of gun). California requires only a Handgun Safety Certificate to purchase a pistol. It's a hoop to jump through - but after all the posts I see about idiots at the range -- I don't see any evil in proving to the seller that one has enough safety-sense to refrain from blowing their own (a)ss into oblivion.

Long guns require no permits. There is no licensing for ownership.

Additionally, Southern California has more shooting ranges and facilities within a seventy mile radius than I imagined possible. We actually do have a pretty sizeable community of shooters here. The ranges are packed on weekends. And the diversity of those who shoot (from shotgunners to pistoliers to black powder and curio collectors) is a wonder to behold. It helps that we can shoot outdoors on almost any day of the year and then, for lunch, go eat ribs or sushi or mexican or chinese food or just a burger. California has a lot to offer.

Could the state be better? Sure. I think there are those both in the legislature and among the voting public who could benefit from some education on firearms. They will never receive such an education if those who are knowledgable just up and leave. I do my part to teach. I know others who do the same. It's a worthy battle.

Would I leave? Maybe. I'm open to living other places. I've lived here ten years; however, and I am pretty entrenched.

[atek3]

1.What are the top 3 unfriendly gun states?

California, Massachusetts and New York

2. Do you currently live in one of these states?

PRK

3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do you still choose to live there?

My profession gives me very limited options where to live and work. Most of the firms are concentrated in the bay area, san diego area, boston MA. A few are scattered around the rest of the country in RTP, NC, one in IN, one in MI. Since my "career" is only until I go back to grad school, I think I can handle two more years in the PRK (I've lived here for 4 already).
Oh if you ignore the taxes, the politics, and the gun control, WHAT A STATE. Perfect weather, nice people, attractive women, plenty of outdoor activities, great competitive shooting scene (although I hear Arizona has the best).

4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?

A good job in my field in a liberty loving state like MT, ID, WY, NH, or VT. Since that is unlikely, I'm going to have to become loaded, then move to a good state.



atek3

[outofbattery]

I can only speak for MA but : obtaining an LTC was not difficult or prohibitively expensive . I believe that a majority of states require a training course for CCW and I have no problem with that at all , mine was $50 . The permit is $25/yer ( $100/4year validity ) which isn't much as far as my safety is concerned . I did not have to qualify with my carry piece or have to have X listed on my LTC . I can carry any place I would like other than government buildings and schools : not a problem to carry in bars and I have yet to see a sign that says No Concealed Weapons like were fairly common in malls etc in NC . The AG's list of approved guns is a PITA but it doesn't inhibit my ability to keep myself well armed . If I wanted to go buy a half dozen refurbed Glocks or new SIGs and a brace of AR-15's , I'd just have to wait until Tues. when Four Seasons opens , throw down my creditcard and walk out with them as soon as NCIS cleared - I do not need to have a permit to buy or withstand a waiting period .

[SodiumBenzoate]

My profession gives me very limited options where to live and work.

Out of curiosity, what is your profession?

[Ala Dan]

Down South don't forget

SOUTH CAROLINA

they say, "the more you stir it, the worst it stinks". Holds true
of this great state of the Confederacy.

And NO, I don't (and would not) live there!

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[SteelEye]

My wife and I left california for a "red" state. We both now have concealed weapon permits. The irony of it is I don't carry because I don't feel the need. My wife, a runner, carries a kahr when running trails and that makes me happy.

We didn't leave the prk primarily because of gun laws but the combination of extreme socialism and unbearable living conditions drove us out. We now own our home and live among a very polite and orderly society.

I have no intention of ever going back, not even to visit. Would feel too much like visiting a maximum security prison.

[Old Fud]

DC may not be a state, but has electoral votes and people --- it HAS to be #1 on any sensible list.

The City of NY has a population over 8million--larger than most states. It ranks in the top 3 without question.

So what state is begging to be #3? It ain't **********, folks.
Amadeus described PRK's gun status better than I could, and accurately.

Hint: PRK may have sent DiFi and BarbaraBoxer to Washington, for which we deserve a great deal of hits, but who sent Ted Kennedy and John Kerry?

Yup, I live in PRK.
I'll be happy to bitch about it too.
That's my right as a member of the community.

My children, my grandchildren, and my job are within 5 miles of my home.
Every friend and organization I have accumulated in the past 35 years is in easy driving distance.
This beats a ten-day waiting period, people.
It even trumps a :banghead: :cuss: :fire: Roster (of "approved" handguns).

I won't be moving from here.
I will be fighting, along side of others that live here, for a better state.
I may lose and become a criminal, but this is my place and here I stay.

[psyopspec]

1. What are the top 3 unfriendly gun states?

CA, IL, MA


2. Do you currently live in one of these states?

Nope. Grew up in ND, left for the military, back now to go to college, then leaving again for 4 years of active duty (hopefully assigned to a gun friendly state). The only gun unfriendliness in this state is a couple stipulations in the cc law (list of off limits places slightly annoying), and being so close to the odor of socialism that Minnesota puts off.


3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do still choose to live there?

N/A


4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?

2 years of school to go, followed my mil. service... Beyond that I don't know where I'll be living, but RKBA will be one of the stipulations in deciding on a home state.

[lucky8926]

When I first got into guns I was surprised to find that there were actually states that allow CCW. I was so used to IL's laws, I didn't know we were only 1 of 4 (is it 4?) that doesn't allow CCW. :confused:

[GoRon]

Any list without Illinios on it, is incomplete.

There is NO conceiled carry at all, under no circumstances.

Ex cop or military doesn't matter.

You cannot even have ammunition and a gun in the same case, they must be stored separately (for transportation).

We are all on file with the state police (FOID cards).

And from what I understand, you cannot even drive through some jurisdictions with a handgun without breaking the law.

As far as why I live here. I grew up here, I have a business here, friends and family are here and I have never known anything other than the democrat cronyism of Chicagoland.

I will most likely end up in Florida.

[Jon3]

1. What are the top 3 unfriendly gun states?

CA,NJ,IL (maybe MA) I don't think MA belongs on the list, becase as soon as you ge a few miles away from Boston, obtaining a CCW becomes far easier. And that CCW is usable statewide. If you only judged MA by metro-boston, it would be just as bad as the others.

2. Do you currently live in one of these states?

MA, yes.

3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do still choose to live there?

Somebody needs to speak up for it, and fight off the raving loonies. Plus, I have a lucrative job here, and all of my immediate and extended family lives here.

4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?

Not only a good job elsewhere, but also the prospect of other good jobs should I dislike my current one [robust high tech economy]. Relative proximity to a major metropolitan area, Proximity to an ocean.

[stealthmode]

im with tcdrennen

2. I live in CA, but not in the Blue area - though Orange County isn't too far from L.A.
3. I still live here because the cause is worth fighting for, and the WEATHER is the best anywhere.
4. Great job/income and acceptable climate (little/no snow, low humidity, temperate year round.)

[lucky8926]

You cannot even have ammunition and a gun in the same case, they must be stored separately (for transportation).

GoRon you are incorrect about this. Here is what it says on the IL State Police website in the FAQ section:

Is it legal to have ammunition in the case with the firearm?
Yes, so long as the firearm is unloaded and properly enclosed in a case.