Buffalo Bore?


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Pyro
April 4, 2011, 09:11 PM
Which of these three round would be most effective out of a 2 inch barrel?
Looking for non +p ammo.
http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=23
Would not mind those wadcutters, but overpenetration looks terribly likely.

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The Lone Haranguer
April 4, 2011, 09:25 PM
The SWC-HC (semi-wadcutter, hollow cavity) looks the most attractive to me. If it expands, all the better, but if it smashes shut or "rivets" over, it will still be a semi-wadcutter. The full wadcutter is intriguing and would make a good "in gun" load, but this bullet shape is difficult to reload with a speedloader. If those velocity figures are actually from a two-inch barrel, they would have some pretty stout recoil in a lightweight revolver.

wow6599
April 4, 2011, 09:44 PM
854 fps 256 ft. lbs. from a 2" barrel........I wouldn't worry too much about those semi-wadcutters over-penetrating.....though they could.

Here is some info on the load - http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:7keJkaEms7UJ:www.brassfetcher.com/Buffalo%2520Bore%2520158gr%2520%28non%2520%2BP%29%2520SWC-HC.html+158+gr.+SWC-HC+over+penetrate&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com

Pyro
April 4, 2011, 09:48 PM
Looks like the cavity walls just tore right off.
But as the test shows in an almost effective manner, like in a "quik-shok" bullet.
All three bullets in question are tested on that site.

rdrancher
April 4, 2011, 11:53 PM
You can also read totally unscientific reviews of the SWCHC standard load and +P by following Behind the Barn in my sig.

dawei
April 5, 2011, 06:55 PM
Buffalo Bore?
Which of these three round would be most effective out of a 2 inch barrel?
Looking for non +p ammo.
http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php...duct_list&c=23
Would not mind those wadcutters, but overpenetration looks terribly likely.To me it's an absolute no-brainer - go with item 20C, 158gr LSWCHCGC, That is the load I carry in my aluminum frame S&W® Airweight® and Taurus® Ultra-Lite® 38 Specials.

Deaf Smith
April 5, 2011, 08:24 PM
We know the old FBI load, 158gr LSWHP at about 800 fps was a good stopper, if not the great. So I have no doubt the Buffalo Bore version, at 1000 fps, is a REAL good one.

And in my Ruger Speed Six that is the load (as well as my 4 inch Service Six.)

But in light 2 inch 5 shot snubbies, I do suggest using:

Standard Pressure Short Barrel Low Flash Heavy .38 Special Ammo - 158 gr. Soft Lead SWC-HC (850fps/M.E. 253 ft. lbs.)!

That 1000 fps HURTS in a light snubby and it might even pull the bullets of the other rounds in the cylinder when fireing.

Deaf

mec
April 6, 2011, 09:41 AM
the 158 lhp is tested from 2" barrels. The bullet is made by Rimrock Bullets. It expands profoundly in the standard pressure load and expands and fragements in the plus p loading but with a large segement behind the hp remaining intact for good penetration..
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=139966&stc=1&d=1302094132

The jhp load has substantially less recoil and expands very well when shot through beef brisket into water.

Creature
April 6, 2011, 09:53 AM
Buffalo Bore is the only ammunition I will carry in my snubbies. Goooood stuff.

velocette
April 6, 2011, 11:52 AM
+1 on that Buffalo Bore 158 gr LSWCHP. It's the most power you can
get in a .38 cal. snubby. Recoil is significant in a 640 stainless and VERY
STOUT in a 637 airweight.
However whatever is on the recieving end will (not) appreciate the high level of energy.

Roger

Pyro
April 6, 2011, 01:33 PM
Has anyone tested this round through heavy clothing?
It looks like it would still be very effective. The SWC build of this round allows for better penetrating damage, under the circumstances that the cavity becomes clogged or collapses, then regular "ball" ammo.
Sorta getting the best of both worlds with this bullet.

stinger 327
April 6, 2011, 05:34 PM
the 158 lhp is tested from 2" barrels. The bullet is made by Rimrock Bullets. It expands profoundly in the standard pressure load and expands and fragements in the plus p loading but with a large segement behind the hp remaining intact for good penetration..
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=139966&stc=1&d=1302094132

The jhp load has substantially less recoil and expands very well when shot through beef brisket into water.
I would go with the above if it's for a .38 snubbie. Gold Dot also sells ammo for short barrel snub .38 135 grain guns.
If for a .357 I would go for the 125 grain at 1,700 fps.

dodo bird
April 6, 2011, 08:01 PM
I believe shooting a beef brisket in Texas is a felony. Go find some tofu.

mec
April 6, 2011, 08:42 PM
No Eating tofu* is a felony in Texas. Invariably, I shoot the brisket a few times and then take it to my neighbor who is a master with a meat smoker. Otherwise the stuff would be too expensive to use as an expansion medium.

tofu- Noun: Low salt, fat free environmentally friendly buggers for liberals to eat.

Pyro
April 6, 2011, 08:48 PM
I don't think I could shoot a hole through meat that is already dead. Time spent shooting it is time spent not eating it. If I did, I'd worry about lead fragments in it. An X-ray from deer shot with a lead bullet showed terrible fragmentation in the wound tract.
I am not an "environmentally friendly bugger" nor a "liberal" and I like tofu. :-P
Flavored and mixed with some pierogi it can be a nice touch.

mec
April 6, 2011, 09:47 PM
interesting

Rob1109
April 7, 2011, 12:47 AM
I carry the full WC in my non+P M36. The 158gr.SWCHPGC+P in my 642 and LCR, althought the recoil is punishing, IMHO, and quick follow up shots might be questionable. The non+P version is probably a better choice w/o sacrificing a lot of ME/Vel.

P.S. I also think the Speer GD Short Barrel +P load is not a poor choice. Many LEO's and PD's use this load.

stinger 327
April 7, 2011, 12:52 AM
I carry the full WC in my non+P M36. The 158gr.SWCHPGC+P in my 642 and LCR, althought the recoil is punishing, IMHO, and quick follow up shots might be questionable. The non+P version is probably a better choice w/o sacrificing a lot of ME/Vel.

P.S. I also think the Speer GD Short Barrel +P load is not a poor choice. Many LEO's and PD's use this load.
I use the 125 grain .357 BB in the Mod. 66 and SP-101 2 inch and there is no other factory ammo that kicks like the BB in this caliber.

stinger 327
April 7, 2011, 12:56 AM
The only thing I don't like about BB is the shell casings. They use that star symbol and arrow on the end of shell casing like Corbon used to. The brass sometimes isn't the most cleanest or polished like Gold Dot or Hornady. Corbon now uses their own name on their brass.

newbuckeye
April 7, 2011, 04:09 AM
interesting
My thoughts exactly......

velocette
April 7, 2011, 10:02 AM
Stinger 327;
That's Starline brass. generally considered by most reloaders as being of excellent quality. I use it for my .45 Colt, .45acp & .40 S&W with great success and long life.

Roger

stinger 327
April 7, 2011, 02:02 PM
Stinger 327;
That's Starline brass. generally considered by most reloaders as being of excellent quality. I use it for my .45 Colt, .45acp & .40 S&W with great success and long life.

Roger
Thanks for clearing up that misconception I had. Mag Safe used that brass also.

LawofThirds
April 7, 2011, 03:05 PM
Yeah, that starline stuff is tough as nails.

Buffalo bore +p is the only thing that gets carried in my snubbies. 158g at 1000fps? Yes please.

stinger 327
April 7, 2011, 03:10 PM
Yeah, that starline stuff is tough as nails.

Buffalo bore +p is the only thing that gets carried in my snubbies. 158g at 1000fps? Yes please.
Even the Gold Dot ammo for short barrel handguns doesn't travel that fast.

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