Black Powder .45 Colt Snake Stopper Loads


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ClemBert
April 5, 2011, 12:27 PM
I was reading an article written by Jeff Quinn on Snake Stopper Loads (http://www.gunblast.com/Snake_Stopper.htm). He used heathen smokeless powder and a round lead ball to hold the bird shot in the cartridge. I was pondering what a black powder version of this might look like without the use of the round ball. Does anyone here have an idea of how much black powder would seem like a reasonable snake stopper loads? More importantly, what method could be used to hold the bird shot in without the use of the round ball?

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Busyhands94
April 5, 2011, 12:51 PM
from what i have heard you charge the pistol with a medium charge of powder or powder substitute, put a wad on the powder that is airtight, stick a measured amount of shot on top, put an overshot wad that fits snug to keep the little buggers from falling out, and then you finish by capping all the nipples. i found that a tight fitting wad of cork or soft dowel works well.

arcticap
April 5, 2011, 01:07 PM
It's been mentioned to use Elmer's glue for holding a stiff over shot card in place when reloading black powder plastic shotshells without any crimp.
There are probably alternative glues that can also be used for loading brass .45 shotshells, i.e. - Duco cement, model airplane glue, craft glue etc...
Perhaps an over shot card could be crimped in place as is done with some factory made blanks.
Also coat the OS card with lacquer to protect it from moisture and flame.

scrat
April 5, 2011, 04:10 PM
the elmers glue works very very well.

as for the load use equal amounts. say 25 grains of powder wad then 25 grains of lead or to fill the top.

Foto Joe
April 5, 2011, 06:13 PM
ClemBert I swear your ADHD is showing again!!:neener: I'll bet you've got plans to erradicate the snakes on your property using the 45 BPM don't you??

I haven't tried this little trick yet, but I was thinking an over powder .030 veggie wad on top of say 25gr of powder in a 45 Colt brass. Then fill 'er up with 9 shot with a .060 veggie wad to top it off, maybe two. Then roll crimp the brass.

With the light powder charge and relatively light shot charge, the recoil would hopefully not dislodge the roll crimped .060 veggie wad. A chainfire in a SAA loaded with 9 shot might just leave a mark on something.

I'm thinking 45 Colt might be a little puny for the task. Maybe you should consider one of those 45-70 revolvers.:rolleyes:

rdstrain49
April 5, 2011, 07:32 PM
never mind, read the post incorrectly.

ClemBert
April 5, 2011, 07:41 PM
ClemBert I swear your ADHD is showing again!! I'll bet you've got plans to erradicate the snakes on your property using the 45 BPM don't you??

ClemBert says: Mwha-ha-ha-ha-ha-haa (wringing hands together with evil grin). :evil:

I actually own a snake charmer in 410 shotshell/45 Colt. Decided I needed some snake skin boots one day as I saw this lil' fella slithering through my back yard.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e212/SyberTiger/Snakes/DSCN1708.jpg

So, if I got this right then 25 grains of FFFg followed by a 0.030 fiber wad followed by enough shot to fill up most of the remainder of the space followed by another 0.030 fiber wad. Then roll crimp and fill up the top with Elmer's glue.

Whadda think about a plastic wad (punched out plastic milk carton) under that last fiber wad as a moisture barrier instead of lacquer?

72coupe
April 5, 2011, 07:41 PM
I have used 45 cal gas checks over the powder and over the shot with good results.

Foto Joe
April 5, 2011, 08:43 PM
I guess my concern with the glue is what's it gonna leave behind after getting melted, burned, incinerated etc. by Black Powder.

The .060 veggie wads that I got from Cabelas last year are .460 diameter and fit VERY snug in the 45 Colt brass. I would think that if you put just enough shot into the brass to bring that veggie wad to within .010 of the rim of the brass, that a moderate roll crimp ought to do the trick as far as keeping it in place during recoil. Also, given that the wad diameter is .460, I would think that it would also make a decent moisture barrier assuming you don't go swimming with your shootin' iron on.

Decided I needed some snake skin boots one day as I saw this lil' fella slithering through my back yard.

I don't know what breed of reptile you got for your boot project there, but if my wife saw that thing in the lawn, there would be a "For Sale" sign planted in the front yard by sunset.

ClemBert
April 5, 2011, 09:20 PM
Copper or aluminum gas checks are an interesting idea. I may have to check into that....or I probably should look into some 0.060 fiber wads. I only have 0.030 on hand at the moment.

That cute lil' critter is a 48" water moccasin (aka cotton mouth). It was checking me out one day while I was mowing the yard. It's not the largest water moccasin I've seen around here. :what:

SAA
April 6, 2011, 12:08 AM
I'm sure I'm alone on this, but I'd think twice about firing a black powder snake charming round at a snake in dry grass.

Bluehawk
April 7, 2011, 12:43 AM
Why not use the Speer .45 Colt shotshell capsules? Gives you a lot more usable shot than the case alone would.

Foto Joe
April 7, 2011, 11:42 AM
Why not use the Speer .45 Colt shotshell capsules?

And where would the fun be in that??

45-70 Ranger
April 7, 2011, 02:14 PM
One of my guys that work for me was looking over my shoulder as I was going through this thread. He looked at me and said "Hey Boss, why do those guys need shotgun stuff for their pistols? Ain't they good enough to shoot 'em off the dirt like you do with your hogleg?" I explained that sometimes the snake is moving pretty much of the time that makes a fast kill kinda hard to do. He shrugged and started to walk away, then turned and said "Well you need one of those little flute things to charm 'em into stayin' put so you can put a bullet in 'em." I told him shotshells for pistols are a very good tool to have when in snake country. My troop is kinda unique as he sees things through very narrow eyes! He walked away shaking his head....

However, I was thinking for a overwad either in a cartridge or a C&B one could use a lead disk about 3/16" or better thick in place of a wad. It whould hold the shot in place with a cartridge. And may hold the shot in place with a C&B revolver as well....maybe...Lighter and shorter than placing a ball over the shot, that's for sure.

If time permits, I'll try this and see if there is any merit to it. It might work....or at best it's something to think about for improvement if my theory strikes out... My only worry would be that the disk would get stuck in the bore and cause an obstruction. Now that would not be good, but I'm hoping that the shot would force the disk out in such a manner that this fear of obstruction would not come about.

Wade

StrawHat
April 8, 2011, 07:25 AM
Sometimes the gascheck leaves a hole in the shot pattern, like a donut. Mike Venturino did some testing and load work up and wrote about it in HANDLOADER magazine. Used spuds for targets. I'll see if I can find the issue. Not sure an overshot wad would work in a C&B revolver, but they do work in cartridge revolvers.

Hagen442
April 8, 2011, 08:59 AM
This is my Recipe for 45 Colt Holy Black Small Varmint Rounds .
StarLine 45 Colt Brass
Federal Large Pistol Primers
25 Gr American Pioneer FFF
45 Colt Capsule
7 1/2 Bird Shot
Heads Up :Capsule should Seat on the Powder. Does not have to be tcompressed with APP.
.
Hagen

ClemBert
April 8, 2011, 09:16 AM
Sometimes the gascheck leaves a hole in the shot pattern, like a donut. Mike Venturino did some testing and load work up and wrote about it in HANDLOADER magazine.

There is a reference to that article in a writeup about 44 Magnum Shotshells (http://www.castbullet.com/reload/44shot.htm).

Why not use the Speer .45 Colt shotshell capsules?

Those Spear shotshell capusules (http://www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com/item.aspx?PID=137958&w=PQ%2BJDyOLrQE%3D) are a bit pricey. $6.69 per 25 count.

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