Not bad info, if you already have the rifle. Link goes to another link that goes to some info on differences between models, exploded diagrams, parts lists, etc. But not anything that would make me want one. You're correct, in that most people place them pretty far down the list of rifles when it comes to quality. There's a reason for that. (Probably several...) But people will buy them because they know the name, and think it's synonymous with good products.
Perhaps next time could you (addressing Mr. OP) include some more info on WHAT the link contains, rather than just saying "MUST READ"? Unless you give us a reason to go to the link, there won't be many that click on it. Even a few examples of what it has on the other side would be helpful. In any case, thanks for the info. Can't hurt to have more knowledge out there.
April 7, 2011, 10:17 AM
It turns out to be interesting, I hadn't paid attention to Remington trying to make a cheap 700 and completely blowing the first attempt before making the second one just adequate.
On rep points alone, I'd pass and move on to Savage - but I already have a 700, which is bling enough my sons grab it. Leaving me with what works better on whitetail, a Win 94 .30-30, or my new AR in 6.8SPC.
All I see here is another reason to avoid Remington. Is that what the OP intended?
April 7, 2011, 11:57 AM
Nah, the OP intended to write the most comprehensive collection of information on the Remington 770, since there is so little of it elsewhere online.
He made the definitive Remington 770 article. More to follow..., but the Remington 770 seemed like an easy one to do.
April 7, 2011, 11:58 AM
As for putting more than "MUST READ", point taken.
I'll try to give a little teaser as to whats contained next time. :D
April 7, 2011, 02:07 PM
I've never claimed the 770 to be junk, but you can certainly get a much, much better rifle for about the same money. Didn't read anything there to change my mind.
April 7, 2011, 03:10 PM
I read what Remington posted on their site: "An upgrade of our famous Model 710"
"It features the same great action and barrel as our Model 710"
And the same press-fit barrel I assume? I suppose if it works, it works.
April 7, 2011, 04:04 PM
What impresses me about the 770 is its low parts count. This was for economy, but low parts count may also translate into high reliability--if the parts are good ones, well designed and well made. Can't say one way or the other--I've only studied the schematic, and handled a 710. I shoot a 700.
What un-impresses me is the interference fit barrel. It is safe because the bolt locks up to the barrel, not the receiver, but as the article points out, barrel change? Uh, no. At least, I can't think of a good way to do it.
I thought the article was pretty good, over all.
April 8, 2011, 02:51 AM
Awesome guys, thanks for the feedback on the article, tried to give an unbiased and factual description as much as possible.
I'm not a fan of the 770 myself, but will probably keep my eyes open for a REAL cheap (like $200) stainless camo, which I would pick up for testing if I got the chance.
I wonder about the press fit barrels precision...
April 8, 2011, 04:23 AM
I own a model 770 in 7mm Rem Magnum. I also own a couple dozen high quality bolt action rifles, from top quality vintage rifles (like a 1951 Winchester Model 70) to absolutely excellent big game rifles (like a Weatherby Mark V).
So why did I even buy a crappy 770? A local shop put the 770 with factory scope combo on sale for $349 so I dropped 3.5 bills and bought one just for fun and laughs. Who cares how it shoots, it was a cheap thrill.
Holy crap, I am totally impressed with its accuracy, and the ease with which it develops accurate handloads.
Holy crap, I am totally unimpressed with its lousy controls and lousy fit 'n finish. A hard rifle to live with, to be sure.
I hate handling the rifle, it just feels so bad. It feels like a cheap crummy toy of a rifle, even though it shoots 0.770" groups with handloads, and 0.880" groups with Remington factory ammo.
For people who only shoot a deer rifle 30 times in its life, this is the perfect cheap rifle. Totally accurate with factory ammo. And who cares if the fit and finish suck. Who cares if the controls can be somewhat difficult. Who cares that the stock feels like a Tonka Toy version of a toy hunting rifle. Who cares that you release and insert the magazine only with the skill of a surgeon. Who cares that the bolt release is completely un-intuitive. Who cares that the Bushnell scope is a cheap version of a cheap scope. Who cares that the trigger feels like prying open a car door with a crow bar. Who cares that the sling mounts are just barely screwed into the cheap polymer plastic stock. Who cares that drawing the bolt feels like a tow truck winching a wrecked jeep out of a ditch. Who cares about any of that, because when you put the focused crosshairs on something and pull the trigger, it hits that exact spot within 3/8" of the where the crosshairs pointed. Yes, for all its faults, it is indeed that accurate.
For a half million 'wanna be' deer hunters on their one-weekend-per-year trip to a cousin's deer blind where the corn feeder is chummed nightly, this is the perfect cheap deer rifle that will last a lifetime. And it kills the poor deer stone dead. For these shooters, THAT is the big picture.
The target market isn't you. The target market is that wanna be deer hunter who doesn't know a bad rifle from a good one, as long as it kills the deer stone dead. And yes, the 770 is just that accurate. Stone dead accurate, right where the crosshairs point. And if those hunters only shoot 30 rounds in their lives, this Remington 770 rifle will easily last a lifetime. Maybe two lifetimes. Maybe even three lifetimes, if someone cleans it once.
So lots of guys on this Forum bash the 770 rifle badly. For its target market, it's the perfect cheap rifle. Let those other guys buy it, let them have their fun, let them get their deer from that blind every year. What do you care, as long as they're happy.
April 8, 2011, 06:38 AM
Good response, ants. You make excellent points and also confirms why I and many guys here don't want one. But at the same time, that doesn't mean Remington shouldn't make them any more. If it fills a market niche, more power to them.
April 8, 2011, 08:36 AM
I never said they were junk, just that you could buy a much better gun for about the same price. Your post confirms this. You paid $350 for a 770. There are 700 ADL's selling for $350. You can get a Marlin or Savage for around $300. Any of which are just as accurate and MUCH better built.
I can't have much respect for Remington producing a low quality product, pricing it at the same price as much better products, and marketing it for uninformed folks who don't know any better.
If someone knows what they are buying (like you did), and still wants to get the 770, then fine. But I think it would be better to inform potential gun buyers that for the same money they can get a much better gun.
April 8, 2011, 09:26 AM
Hmm, a blind link from a member with 9 posts, and a title that says "THIS IS A MUST READ"
I think I'll pass.
Just make sure you have the status bar open at the bottom of your browser and when you mouse over a link, it will always show you the destination on the bottom left.
The only problem one might have is with a url shortener like tinyurl. Of course there are also redirect websites. That is why I use firefox with script blocker.
April 8, 2011, 06:51 PM
Ditto on what Hoofan said.
Regarding the 770 - if it makes you happy - cool :) If it's as accurate as Ants says, that's good. If it needs tweaks, well it's starting out low enough to make some home gunsmithing a maybe? Can you upgrade the trigger? Can you smooth the bolt pull? Anyway to make the stock better like foaming the inside to stiffen? Seems as if there were a used one in the $100 barrel, it might be a project? But, what can you do to it?
I don't see a need to change barrels as long as the original is not shot out.
April 8, 2011, 07:27 PM
DON'T put up yurr 1000$ rifle vs a ding dong at the range with a 770. If its me OUCH.
April 24, 2011, 11:34 AM
Hi Swift. I know this is an old post but I own a 770 and there is a lot of negative writen about this rifle but still many are considering buying them and want an opinion so here is mine both good and bad:
I own a 770 Remington and it's not so bad a gun. Before getting married to my last wife I had to sell some things buy a home and so went my Browning BAR 30-06. My wife not knowing much about guns later bought me the 770 that I still own and it wasn't a bad gun but certainly nothing great but when
finances aren't good and it's a gift you make the best of it. I was able to adjust the trigger myself to a very light pull. I also did a rough job of free-floating the barrel myself again at no cost. Since I reload I also took advantage of Tubb's final finish which improved the already good accuracy of the rifle. Initially, I swapped out the not so bad 3X9 scope that came wth it for Cheap Walmart Centerpoint scope 4-16X40 and later replaced that scope with Nikon Monarch which was on sale. However, I am still using the Centerpoint scope on another rife and it's still doing fine. I still don't like the sloppy bolt but it's now a good shooter and with a good scope I would trust it to hunt anywhere or anytime. Since then my finances improved and I have been able to buy for me what is my ultimate hunting rifle but this gun with the little improvements I have made is a great back up.
With all that being said and knowing what I know now, if I were able to do it over again and had a choice of inexpensive rifles I would go with a Savage with the accu-trigger. I don't believe the cost is much more and they work great and generally shoot sub MOA right out of the box. Also, as a reloader I am aware that many bullet makers recommend seating their bullets very close to the lands. I've found that's hard to do with many of the Remington's especially with lighter shorter bullets. Remington lands begin so far down the barrel that one cannot seat the bullet in the case the minimum which is one diameter of the bullet and still have it come close to touching the lands.
April 24, 2011, 12:37 PM
Yuck I got 770 on my screen :barf: LOL I am sure they can be real shooters, but the stock it the worst ever made IMHO. They are more bulky then the Vanguard with the worst grade of plastic I have ever seen on a rifle. I think a Tonka truck is better built. + budget rem rifles have a horable grade of steel that rusts faster then raw iron ore, my ADL was not out of the box for less then a week when I had to start fighting the rust, which is a constant battle no matter how well you keep them cleaned/oiled I think I would take a 100ATR over the 770 and I know I would MUCH rather own another budget Savage/Marlin/Tikka over any budet remington any day of the week.
April 24, 2011, 01:16 PM
They are comparing it to their model 710? Wow... I had one of them... the only good part about it was the accuracy, the rest of the gun was a total joke. The 710 had the grossest feeling action of any rifle I have ever picked up in my life. You should never have to wiggle a bolt to get it out! The action had to be sterile and lubricant free to get it to cycle without binding up. It made two trips to the factory. Once with the bolt handle broke off, and again with the bolt stuck shut. It missed two deer seasons in a row.
An "upgrade" to their model 710 would be a Mosin Nagant with non matching serials.
I sold that gun to a private party for a $150 because my local gun shop would not take it in trade. They said "we don't sell those things in our shop, take it back to where you bought it in the first place''. Unfortunately, it was an impulse buy at at a retailer who does not deal in used guns. Took a bath, learned a lesson...
A good friend of mine bought a Savage about the same time for about the same price. He is super happy with it and it is a great rifle.
If it wasn't for the 870 Express, Remington would be on my black list forever.
I ain't even gonna start with the 597 jam-o-matic I had. At least I got to trade that for a Marlin 60....
April 24, 2011, 02:31 PM
Owned five Savages, two marlins, one Tikka....Thrilled with all of them. Tried four remingtons over the years and two of them were total garbage, one ADL 700 and one CDL 700. My oldschool 552 speedmaster and 522 viper were the only good ones. I don't have any desire to give Remington another chance until they completly re-tool their whole opperation. I said the same for Winchester but they did completly re-tool and came out with the really nice new model 70.
April 25, 2011, 10:38 AM
I bought for my son a Model 700 Remington in 270 Winchester with the camo stock and it was a great shooter right out of the box (after sighting in). He lives in town and keeps it here so for now I generally have full use of it so I know how it shoots. As to rusting, it appears to have some kind of annadized coating that resists rust. The bolt is smooth enough and the trigger somewhat adjustable. It's a big improvement over the 770 for not that much more money. I have had no rusting issues with it and I live in hot humid environment. I just wipe it down every now and then with a silicone cloth and put a little Rem oil on the moving parts. My only dislike with it is like with the 770 the rifle lands begin deeper in the barrel than with many other rifles so again it makes it difficult to seat your bullets close to the lands as some premium bullet manufactures recommend for best accuracy such as Barnes and Berger. Still, it shoots very decent without having to do that with most bullets but I do like the idea of being able to wring out the best possible accuracy from of my reloads but if I didn't reload this point woud be moot.
This all being said, If I were buying another under 600 dollar centerfire rifle I am sure it would not be a Remington. Winchester makes a budget model 70 that I recently learned about at a gun show and bought one in 270WSM for just over 500 including tax. I think they call it a silent stalker. I put ZX-3 Leupold 4.5-14X50 scope on it with Warne rings and now have a fully American Made rifle. After getting the scope set up so it wouldn't move in the rings my first (2) 3 shot groups were under an inch at 100 meters with two different 130gn bullets flying about 3200 fps so needless to say I am very happy with this purchase. It seems to be a basic model 70 with a black synthetic stock. The trigger was a bit stiff but was adjustable so I adjusted it lighter of course and I replaced the 2 piece scope mount with a single rail as the 2 piece mount didn't line up straight with the barrel and the single piece rail gave me more scope mounting options. It has a very smooth action and lends it's self to reloading. I probably wouldn't have bought this caliber had I not reloaded as commercial ammo for it is much more expensive than a standared 270 but with reloading the cost is very little more. I had previously read that the recoil for a 270 WSM is no more than a standard 270 but I have to disagree. It feels like shooting a heavy 30-06 load. One probably can make a reduced load to be comparable with a standard 270 but then you would loose the slightly better performance this caliber offers. But I've drifted way off coarse here so I best close this post.
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