[alan]

http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,61792,00.html?tw=wn_story_page_prev2

[Dorian]

Good reason to keep your money out of the bank like me :D

[dustind]

Under the law, the FBI does not need to seek a court order to access such records, nor does it need to prove just cause.

The new law (see Section 374 of the act), however, lets the FBI acquire these records through an administrative procedure whereby an FBI field agent simply drafts a so-called national security letter stating the information is relevant to a national security investigation.

And the law broadens the definition of "financial institution" to include such businesses as insurance companies, travel agencies, real estate agents, stockbrokers, the U.S. Postal Service and even jewelry stores, casinos and car dealerships.

My Comment: The President slipped it past when no one was looking, how much lower can this guy go??

[c_yeager]

My Comment: The President slipped it past when no one was looking, how much lower can this guy go??

What we need is a system of checks and balances through which the cheif executive officer does not have the authority to make laws on his own. How about a system by which a "congress" of elected representatives make the laws and the cheif executive simply signs them or not as the final step. Yeah i think thats the ticket.

oh wait...

[El Tejon]

Congress making laws? You wild-eyed radical!:D

Maybe Congress will get involved in these other controversial areas like immigration perhaps??? I saw the other day where Bush issued a decree that the immigration laws are now changed.:rolleyes:

The feds already know where all my money is. THEY HAVE IT!!!:mad:

[LoneWulf]

Friggin W.
I may just have to vote Democrap. :neener:

[Blackcloud6]

Sometimes this place cracks me up. If there is an anti-gun article in the paper or on the net, everyone here is quick to point out all the irregularities and bad informtion in the article. But twhen there is one like this, the posters are quick to agree with it, condemn the president etc.

Has anyone read the law? Does anyone really know how it works? Are you lawyers?

You mean you don't think the same press that writes anti-gun articles will slant an article to be anit-Bush ot anti-Republican?

[El Tejon]

Black, yes, yes, and yes.

[Art Eatman]

Whether Clinton or Bush, why is it always assumed that the administration sought "bad" legislation? People in Congress added this dreck to legislation as an amendment. It could easily have been at the behest of the FBI or somebody below the AG himself in that agency.

All presidents sign legislation containing "junk", having been advised as to the "great importance" of the rest of the Bill. This is very common with budgetary matters.

IMO, a major problem with activism in government is that a relatively few actually know the content of proposed laws and/or regulations. This holds at the state level as well as at the federal.

There are only so many hours in a day. There is only so much time available for study and making of decisions.

Do you read every post at THR, every day? Plus every page of some major daily newspaper, every day?

:), Art

[alan]

dustind wrote:


My Comment: The President slipped it past when no one was looking, how much lower can this guy go??

One might have taken it that THE CONGRESS was supposed to LOOK AT this sort of thing, or am I being dumb?

After all, haven't we got a governmental system based on CHECKS AND BALANCES, where The Congress "checks and balances" the more egregious antics of, let's say, The Executive Branch, we do have that, don't we, or was it, in the dead of night, by a voice vote, done away with?

Perhaps the Body Politic needs to take a close look and then question loudly, regarding what the hell is going on.

[tyme]

Wired is not a current news source...

Other threads:
General Info (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56025)
General Info (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56630)
"Patriot Act 2" applies to FFLs? (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57278)

[M1911Owner]

Article I

Section 1. All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives. The First word of the Constitution proper, after the preamble, is "All."--All legislative Powers herein granted..." Last time I looked, "all" still meant "all." How did we get to where the President, the EPA, the IRS, and dozens of unelected agencies, are all making laws for us, when only Congress has that power?

:fire: :cuss: :banghead:

[Art Eatman]

M1911Owner, the President doesn't make laws, other than by Executive Order. The alphabet agencies don't make laws; they write regulations by which to administer the laws passed by the Congress and signed by the President.

If you read the legislation you will often see, somewhere in the text, some verbiage about "the Secretary is directed to promulgate such regulations as are necessary to accomplish the aims of this Act." (Or some variation on this theme.)

The agencies are often puzzled about the actual intent of Congress, since the language of many laws is subject to various interpretations. The agencies thus have a fairly free hand in doing their own interpreting, and we wind up with strangely contradictory regulations. The whole deal then becomes a welfare system for the lawyers, seeking judicial interpretations.

Watching the making of laws or the writing of regulations is not for the weak of stomach...

Art

[dustind]

Oh so the president doesn't do it all alone, gee thanks for that information. Sorry I should have said our elected representatives slipped it past us, and the president signed it figuratively in the dead of night, my bad. Happy now?

[JohnBT]

Nobody slipped anything by anybody.

It was public information well in advance of the signing.

Just because you didn't hear about it...what can I say? ;)

John

"THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING." - no it isn't.

[alan]

Art Eatmen:

Re your observation about "... and The Secretary shall blah, blah, blah", unfortunately you got that right.

So while it's The Congress that makes law, and The President who creates Executive Orders, it is The Congress that has, and continues to write those interesting clauses about "...and The Secretary..." into the legislation that they enact, allowing executive agencies to, essentially write law by decree. BATF is well known for that sort of thing, though obviously, the situation above described is not peculiar to the BATF, and it does raise all manner of hell for the general body politic, thaty is subject to these legislatyive decrees, decrees that they might well be totally unaware of.

tyme:

You noted that Wired is not a current news source. Are you saying that they haven't gotten their data/facts straight?

[c_yeager]

Blackcloud wrote : Sometimes this place cracks me up. If there is an anti-gun article in the paper or on the net, everyone here is quick to point out all the irregularities and bad informtion in the article. But twhen there is one like this, the posters are quick to agree with it, condemn the president etc.

If you look at the five posts before yours you can pretty clearly see that only ONE of those posts seems to come out in agreement of the article and "condemn the president". Your point may have been valid except that you put it in a thread in which 4/5 people didnt really fit your nice neat generalization.

[tyme]

alan, not at all... merely that Wired shouldn't be taken as a source for contemporaneous news information. The wired article didn't seem to me to have substantially new information not present in the previous threads/articles on the subject. Does every news organization's article on a subject merit a new thread? That's my only concern.

[JitsuGuy]

In the name of "terrorism" us Americans are losing more and more of our rights and freedoms. Who was it that said, he that gives up Liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security? Our Government is coming down on us and it's because "they" want to. Thomas Jefferson said in his federalist papers that a Revolution is necessary around every 50 years to keep the government in check. But with the ignorance of the masses, I seriously doubt that will ever happen. This experiment called "democracy" or "Constitutional Republic" is about over folks, if it isn't already.

J

[Jeff White]

You guys are kidding yourselves if you think that the pretty boy legislators actually write laws. Most laws these days are written by advocacy groups or think tanks and tweaked by staffers. Most of what was in Patriot I and II came from the Hart- Rudman report and a think tank or two's interpretation of how to deal with it. You don't really think the lamps burnt night and day in the capitol building after 9-11 do you? Patriot was prepared years in advance, they were just waiting for the right timing so the public would accept it.

Don't think that we don't get our say in this system, NRA and LEAA has written their share of model legislation that's become law,

Jeff

[JohnBT]

Hasn't it always been done that way? Well, the past hundred years or so anyway?

In any case, no matter who writes 'em, the people who pass them get to take responsibility (credit?) for them.

John