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Spec ops Grunt
April 7, 2011, 08:50 PM
Went to shoot my 4-inch Speed six yesterday, now the web of my hand is sore. Was using a two handed hold high up on the revolver, like in the Jerry Miculek videos, but still.........

It was just standard 125 grain factory loads too.

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Spec ops Grunt
April 7, 2011, 08:54 PM
I think I was locking my elbows, was that it?

Sam1911
April 7, 2011, 09:04 PM
Does the web of your hand wrap up over the frame "horn?" You may be being bitten by the hammer as it reaches the rear of its travel.

Empty the gun, and take your normal grip. Then dryfire slowly, watching the hammer instead of the target or the sights. Any contact? Could there be if your grip shifted slightly?

If this is just sort of a "soft hands" issue where the frame is rubbing you a bit raw, take a few days off to heal up but then keep at it. Your skin will callous a bit and you'll never notice it again.

MMCSRET
April 7, 2011, 09:50 PM
I had the same problem with a Security Six that I bought a couple years ago. It had a beautiful set of Herrett Shooting Stars on it, normally they are my favorite after market grip. On that SS they placed my hand all wrong, they hurt, trigger guard hit my, web strained. I replaced them with a set of Hogue one piece walnut smooth and it made all the difference. I use Herretts on Colts, S&W and Ruger single actions but not on the Security Six.

Drail
April 8, 2011, 12:05 AM
Locking your elbows will transfer the energy up through your elbows and shoulders. Are you describing pain that is down in your hand or are you showing a "strawberry" where the hammer comes back? It sounds like the frame above the grip was slamming back into your hand in such a way that some nerves in your hand were getting pummeled. Do any other handguns cause this for you? You might have to modify your grip slightly and not hold up so high on the grip frame or have the hammer bobbed a little if that's what is getting your web.

Spec ops Grunt
April 8, 2011, 02:34 AM
Its not hammer bite, it feels like what post #5 describes.

Drail
April 8, 2011, 02:52 AM
If it is smacking the palm of your hand hard enough to leave you in pain after shooting you are probably suffering some nerve damage. You absolutely do not want to do this, it can leave you in pain for a very long time. Do the grips on the gun leave the metal backstrap exposed? Some grips will cover and pad the backstrap (a little). It does sound like you are attempting to grip the gun a little too high. Shooting gloves are another consideration. Whatever you decide, don't let this gun hurt your hands. I have damaged mine from using tools over a lot of years and it's no fun. It gets worse as you age.

Spec ops Grunt
April 8, 2011, 03:07 AM
Backstrap is exposed.

doc2rn
April 8, 2011, 03:32 AM
I would reccomend getting a Hogue monogrip for that Security Six, I have them on all my Revolvers that I shoot regularly.

Guillermo
April 8, 2011, 12:43 PM
I too am a fan of the Monogrip.

It might solve your problem.

Drail
April 8, 2011, 12:48 PM
I agree with doc2rn's post. I have been a big fan of Hogue grips for many years. Many people say that they are really ugly (who cares?) but they do cause you to have a consistent grip which is a good thing. The Hogue Mongrip for the Rugers has a very pronounced hump at the top of the backstrap. Keep your hand below that hump and don't try to get up on it. Let us know if it helps you.

Guillermo
April 8, 2011, 12:50 PM
Many people say that they are really ugly

I get razzed all the time because I have them on my Python.

And they are right...it is...errr...incongruent with the elegance of the gun.

But I have that baby to shoot...not set on a pedestal under a glass dome

jrod
April 8, 2011, 01:22 PM
I'd go with Pachmayer Grippers; Much more comfortable than Hogues IMHO. That's what I had on my Speed Six that I wish I still Had.

sixgunner455
April 8, 2011, 03:08 PM
jrod, it depends on your hand and what suits you. I hate Pachmayer Grippers on a Kframe. Hogue monogrip in rubber on a round butt k is great. Hogue monogrip on a Detective Special works well, too. I've used a rubber boot grip on a square butt Kframe and been very happy with it, too. But I found the Grippers unusable.

Guy needs to try some different things out and see what makes his hand happy.

mrbro
April 8, 2011, 03:17 PM
Either the pistol doesn't fit and it is moving in your hand, the surface is slick and it is moving, or the pounding on the web from the steel backstrap is causing the pain. Getting a set of Pachmayr grips, the ones that cover the backstrap, will address all 3.

Quoheleth
April 8, 2011, 03:39 PM
Another option is use 158gr instead. IMHO, the 125gr stuff has a harder slap than the 158s.

I can shoot heavier stuff longer (I won't say "all day") in relative comfort; the 125s hurt - and that's out of a GP100, Sp101 or Smith 28.

Q

Drail
April 8, 2011, 11:47 PM
Your gun will thank you also shooting 158 gr. loads instead of the 125 gr stuff. I never understood the logic of lighter bullets.

Guillermo
April 8, 2011, 11:50 PM
I never understood the logic of lighter bullet

more velocity makes hollow points more like to expand

oldfool
April 9, 2011, 12:38 PM
Hogue, or any similar, is a really good suggestion
if the shoe fits, wear it, don't worry about looks

mostly I suspect that exposed backstrap is unfriendly for OP, leastways with a 125 gr wt 357 load, or could be his grips are not true perfect flush tight fit at backstrap, have seen some aftermarket panel grips that didn't cinch down completely tight/smooth at backstrap, and that is pretty critical no matter what made of

just trying on a shooting glove, (most any non-slippery glove from wallyworld would do, cutting off glove trigger finger optional), would be a quickie way to find out, paying close attention to how your hand feels before stacking up a high round count
if the glove works out, then could hunt up some other grips of choice for the gun

ultimately, it could be as simple as putting a little more "handle" on it

Spec ops Grunt
April 12, 2011, 04:57 PM
Went shooting again, it is smacking into the web of my hand. If I get a Hogue grip would it actually be pleasant to shoot? Or should I just go and trade it for a nice auto in 9mm?

roaddog28
April 12, 2011, 05:05 PM
I would suggest you get some Hoque Rubber grips. I have no problems shooting any kind of ammo either 38 special or 357 magnum. This is in my Police Service Six.
Howard
http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu283/HPitt74985/RugerServiceSix.jpg

Spec ops Grunt
April 12, 2011, 08:59 PM
Guess I'll try them. The regular grip on the Speed six is pretty small.


Midway has Rubber and Nylon, does it matter which one?

Drail
April 13, 2011, 12:22 AM
Most folks prefer the rubber but some don't like the tackiness of it. The nylon are preferred on a carry gun so that it won't cause the covering garment to catch and print. It sounds to me like maybe you should relax your wrists and elbows just a little and let them absorb some of the recoil impulse. If you're locking all of the joints it's going to hit you harder. You kinda got to roll with it some. Are you shooting one handed or two?

Spec ops Grunt
April 13, 2011, 12:31 AM
I like to alternate.

Lucky Derby
April 13, 2011, 12:45 AM
Went shooting again, it is smacking into the web of my hand. If I get a Hogue grip would it actually be pleasant to shoot? Or should I just go and trade it for a nice auto in 9mm?
Do not give up on the Security-Six
whether a particular grip will help you is a question no-one can answer with certainty. Everyone's hand is different. I like the Hogues the best. A lot of people like the Pachmeyers. Another option is to find a set of the original factory target grips. Those work well for many people.

Spec ops Grunt
April 13, 2011, 01:58 AM
Not mine (mine's stainless :D), but these are the default grips I've been using. http://www.auctionarms.com/closed/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=9483981.0

What do these target grips look like?

oldfool
April 13, 2011, 02:09 AM
yeah, those are small skinny grips, even though "traditional"; similar to what S&W called their "magna" grips, although there is nothing very magnum about 'em
go bigger, put more handle on it, and/or try Hogue's
check CDNN on line, they may have some larger Ruger grips that fit

PS
they do, just checked, and at those prices you could easy buy a pair of each, wood & rubber
("target" grips imply "fat butt", often squared off so can easy park your butt on a sandbag you know)

Spec ops Grunt
April 13, 2011, 02:38 AM
Somewhat related question, but what's the difference between the handle of a service six and a speed six.


What's so special about Hogue grips compared to these rubber ones on CDNN?

oldfool
April 13, 2011, 02:49 AM
not sure if there is a difference or not (Speed vs Service vs Security)
best find out from one of the folks a little better aquainted with the Six variations
round butt vs square butt matters, some grips fit only one or the other, some will fit both
I thunk the Sixes were all round butt, but I don't trust me on that

rubber slip on grips, virtually all same/same
minor nuances may be a personal preference thing, but unless/until you have tried a half dozen for yourself, any should do

oldfool
April 13, 2011, 03:00 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_Security_Six

there you go, good description of the differences, includes grip variations

Cosmoline
April 13, 2011, 03:57 AM
Fill your hands! Seriously, if you get a bigger grip or a T-Grip you will have more to grip onto and there will be no space for the frame to whip back and hit your hand.

T-Grips fit any model Six. The Hogue only work with the later (more common) frames.

Cop Bob
April 13, 2011, 11:10 AM
+1 on the Hogues... been using them since they came out... and that was a LONG time ago.

+1 on shooting 38's instead of service loads for practice.. much more manageable recoil.. Save the 125's for social endeavors..

psyshack
April 13, 2011, 05:37 PM
Get your grip down and then sort out the grip manufacture, style and martial.

Get the center of the back of the grip or grip frame in or around your life line. This will also get you a solid center line up your four arm. It may seem unnatural at first. But it will be where you find your best comfort and control regardless of the stocks used. Don't get to far out of the life line. You will loose control of the thumb anchor point. And then loose a degree of control and end up with a sore web all because you cant control the weapon. Be it single of double handed. Go around the house and grip items you come along. Wiggle them around un your hand. Pull and push on the with your other hand.

You will find where your strength and stability is. You may well surprise yourself. :)

Lucky Derby
April 13, 2011, 05:48 PM
The 6" Security-Six at the top right of the Wiki page has the factory target grips.

Spec ops Grunt
April 13, 2011, 06:40 PM
What do you mean by life line?

psyshack
April 13, 2011, 07:16 PM
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/638/medium/S7300683.JPG

On my hand the life line is the one that goes around the thumb pad. Mine runs up and comes out just behind my index finger main knuckle. Comes down and is almost dead center with my wrist. The slight bulge and line in my thumb pad is caused by deep tissue and nerve damage.

Being right handed I want the center of the grip more twords my index finger knuckle. This lets the thumb pad part of the hand wrap around the back strap of the grip. With the grip more to the left twords the thumb you end up with much more web involved. Then your putting the recoil more into the thumb pad and less true purchase on the grip. The index finger is a amazing didgit. It will figure out the trigger.

When done right given your hand, arm and such you will have a very good center line through your hand, wrist and up the shoulder.

A lot of folks grip pistols like there going to hit something with there fist. Thats a different transfer of energy. Many developed that due to auto loaders and limp wristing. IMHO

There is no overt massive right or wrong when it comes to your grip. I like a Simth's soild open back strap anchoring in the palm of my hand. Or solid wood stocks. The arm, shoulder and body mass can deal with the recoil. Even the smallest women can deal with heavy loads if she use's good body mechanics and grip. The hand should not get beat on at all.

Spec ops Grunt
April 13, 2011, 08:08 PM
Do you have a picture of you holding a revolver for comparison?

Spec ops Grunt
April 15, 2011, 05:46 PM
Alright, Psyshack, I see what you are saying.


I also scrounged around Tulsa and bought a Pachymer compac grip and a gripper grip.

Honestly, I kinda like the compac more than the gripper.

I wish it wasn't raining/cold. Curse the luck.

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