What is the worst pistol you have ever shot? For me it was a Jimenez Arms JA Nine...


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Logger
April 7, 2011, 11:37 PM
I was at the range Saturday trying out the new Viridian Green Laser on my Glock 21, and was it was shooting rather well at 25 yards, except for a slight drift problem.

I switched to my Sig Sauer P225 and was putting every bullet on the target, when the guy next to me asked for help. He had bought a new Jimenez Arms 9mm pistol, and had gone through a box of ammo without putting a single hole in the paper target.

I gave him some pointers, then watched him closely. It was horrifying to see a gun scattering bullets everywhere like that. I asked him to let me try, and somehow managed to put two bullets from an entire clip on the target; but they were nowhere near each other. The trigger pull was about 7 pounds, and a month long. The rear adjustable sights were very adjustable; just take your finger and move them from side to side.

Poor guy is screwed, as you can't take guns back. I left the range with a renewed appreciation for my Colts, Rugers, Sigs, Glocks and High Standards......

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Fmjblack
April 7, 2011, 11:45 PM
Although many people seem to like them, the worst gun I've ever shot was a Bersa Thunder .380. It was crudely made, jammed quite often, had terrible ergonomics and a trigger pull to match.

norseasaurus
April 8, 2011, 12:23 AM
first let me say that i'm really glad you're able to afford very nice, well crafted, high end pistols.
However;
many of us are simply unable to afford such weapons. ( house notes car notes kids to feed and other such trivial stuff,)

my first pistol heavier than a 22. Was jiminez 380. And while it was nowhere near the level of the stuff you seem to have just lying about, i can say honestly that with a decent cleaning regiment it was never prone to jamming, it was quite accurate out to 20 yrds, (short barrel belly gun.... I tried to be half way realistic) and i felt more than comfy carrying it with me anytime i took my wife and kids out on the town. it was used when i bought it for the measley sum of 100$. i was told quite clearly that it was worthless by my local gun shop. but it served me well for a solid 5 yrs until it literally started to fall to pieces. I was a novice shooter with novice shooting skills.... Did i mention how impressed i am with you shooting better than the guy with the worst pistol ever?
Would i rush out to buy a jimenez ?
No.
Would i carry one ?
Absolutely.

Any gun will do if you will.

mgmorden
April 8, 2011, 12:44 AM
and somehow managed to put two bullets from an entire clip on the target;

JA Nine's use magazines, not clips. ;)

Anyways, the worst gun I've ever actually shot? Probably an FIE E15. It's a little .22LR single action revolver. My dad pay $40 for it way back in the early to mid 1980's. Shot it a few times and then just tossed it in a drawer never to be seen again. After I got into handguns he gave it to me. You have to use some off-set aiming due to the sights not being on, and I had to deburr several cylinders, and the cylinder pin stop had worked it's way out of the gun over the years requiring replacement, but overall, it's serviceable.

gohogs93
April 8, 2011, 12:52 AM
Jennings J22. neither the frame nor the slide are steel. it jams all the time. dirty, clean, dry, lubed; it will jam. at least the one I owned. But i guess you get what you pay for with a gun you pay 65 dollars for.

norseasaurus
April 8, 2011, 12:55 AM
all things being equal....jennings turned into jiminez

gohogs93
April 8, 2011, 01:04 AM
^^^ I didn't know that. haha this thread sure isnt good publicity for them .

memphisjim
April 8, 2011, 01:10 AM
S&w sigma 380.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
April 8, 2011, 08:02 AM
Worst one was some tiny one, the name slips my mind at present.
Getting OLDER is no fun.

foghornl
April 8, 2011, 08:14 AM
Had an RG double-action .22LR snubby. I once shot 150 rounds out of it, using all the different .22 rounds I could buy locally. Out of 150 rounds, I hit a 9" paper plate TWICE, both of those coming from the last cylinder full, and less than 2 yards...you read that right...less than 6 feet away.

It also sent ALMOST as much lead downrange as it sent sideways.

JustinL
April 8, 2011, 08:36 AM
Without a doubt the Sig Mosquito. I purchased it with high hopes but was very quickly dismayed. I ended up selling it to a friend for $100 with the caution that it was not exactly the best .22 in the world. He says that with CCI Minimags it only malfunctions 1/15-20 shots or so. That was after a trip to the gunsmith.

Ruger P89. That magazine release was so awful it is the prime reason I've never looked into buying any of their P-series pistols. From a quality standpoint it was probably quite well made but that magazine release was so terrible that I still remember it 20 years later.

2wheels
April 8, 2011, 09:20 AM
Without a doubt the Sig Mosquito. I purchased it with high hopes but was very quickly dismayed. I ended up selling it to a friend for $100 with the caution that it was not exactly the best .22 in the world. He says that with CCI Minimags it only malfunctions 1/15-20 shots or so. That was after a trip to the gunsmith.

+1 For the Mosquito. My father bought one on a whim, that thing has only gotten worse.

I know .22LR pistols aren't known for their stellar reliability, but I expect to be able to make it through a magazine at least ONCE a range trip...

Fastcast
April 8, 2011, 09:24 AM
Jennings J22 :scrutiny:....Paperweight! lol

seecamp
April 8, 2011, 09:52 AM
I tried sending Friendly, Don't Fire a private message, which I would have preferred, but private messages to him on this forum have apparently been blocked at his request. This is the message I get: “Friendly, Don't Fire! has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her.”

Friendly, Don't Fire, this is at least the third post you’ve made about the LWS .25 you bought. I’d like to hear from you to clarify some things so that we can avoid a repeat of the bad experience you had. Be assured I'm not questioning your integrity. We've certainly deserved our share of criticism.

I can be reached at my private cell number 203-606-0688.

Some things you’ve said leave questions and confusion as to what might have happened. Here’s an earlier post I made with regard to a post of yours. I received no response. I assume you did not see the post. Please call me.

I would have had to have been the guy with whom you talked. There's no-one else here who takes those type of calls. All service questions go directly to me.

It's unfortunate you took a beating on the sale as .25s are going for more than brand new .32s right now. I think the going rate on a .25 that listed for about $150.00 when we stopped making them in 1985 is now around $500.00. They've become collector pieces. The extra magazine by itself would have gone for $50.00 as those are no longer being made and much sought after.

Please email me the serial number of the pistol or the name on the warranty card (or the name the pistol was sent in under for repair). This will allow me to look up its history. Your experience will be an object lesson to keep this type of bad experience from happening to someone else. Please accept my apologies.

Our email address is info@seecamp.com. Or you can call me directly at my cell, which is 203 606-0688.

Carl N. Brown
April 8, 2011, 09:57 AM
The worst I shot was a Clerke First, .32 S&W (short) five shot "pot metal" revolver that a previous user had shot with .32ACP (the case head stamp ".32ACP" was impressed into the recoil shield of the frame). It was not my gun, and I returned it with the firing pin removed and the warning not to reinstall it.

I own a .38S&W Forehand & Wadsworth 1890s revolver (they were listed in the 1897 Sears Roebuck catalog for under $2) whose firing pin hole in the frame is so enlarged that primers flow into the hole, binding the cylinder, even with very mild black powder loads. I might try it sometime with small rifle primers, which are supposed to have thicker cup metal. Or I may leave it where it is now: mounted in a frame on a copy of the Sears "Department of Revolvers" page with a out-of-time S&W top break for company.

On the Ring of Fire Guns

Jennings family of guns above .22 or .25 are not very durable. Apparently some of their .22s and .25s ended up decent but cheap guns. Once a year or so I take my .22 J22 and .25 MP25 Raven out to the range, shoot the carry magazines (4 for J22 and 2 for MP25) empty, clean, lube, and reload the mags with fresh ammo. Mostly range toys (people so underestimate them that a palm sized group* at 10 paces actually surprises people), but they are sometimes a backup or even carry piece for me (striker down on empty chamber, safety off) when anything larger is impractical.

I would not recommend one as a first gun and for a budget self defense gun I would suggest the minimum as a HiPoint C9 if you just can't save and do better. But they are better defensive weapons than harsh words and a mean scowl.

Jennings Nine always struck me as a defensive gun bought with one box of ammo, two magazines shot to see if the magazines and gun worked, then stuck in a bedside table drawer, and eventually sold at estate auction with the original box and 30 rounds left. They do not hold up to extensive use. But I don't believe they were meant to be used extensively.

Also cheap guns bought used are more likely to be abused, poorly maintained or subjected to amateur "gunsmithing" and seldomn are a bargain.


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*Palm of hand size group, not palm tree sized group.

Remo223
April 8, 2011, 10:28 AM
Worst for me was a mini firestorm 45(I think that was the name but it might have been firestar) It was a 3.25" bbl 1911 variant with a double stack mag. I think the mag was made by para but I could be wrong. I think I paid $175 for it(used but only fired once) and sold it for $150 after breaking it in. It would not feed hollowpoints reliably no matter what.

G.barnes
April 8, 2011, 12:09 PM
My worst was a Taurus pt140 millenium pro. And 15 ft it would hit about 12 inches low left in single action. I traded it for what I paid and got a Springfield xd.

MrWesson
April 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
Star model b 9mm(or so I thought)

would jam like crazy and just didnt cycle hardly at all.. The guy I bought it from sold it to me as a 9mm luger but I broke it down and sure enough 9mm largo was stamped on the barrel:rolleyes:.

Not the pistol's fault and they are great guns BTW.

MedWheeler
April 8, 2011, 11:53 PM
Grendel P10. But, it did eventually start to work after a lot of polishing up, at least, to the level for which it is intended.
Incidentally, I have never had any problems with my Jennings J-22. It's always fired and is pretty accurate given its size.

WardenWolf
April 9, 2011, 12:16 AM
Although many people seem to like them, the worst gun I've ever shot was a Bersa Thunder .380. It was crudely made, jammed quite often, had terrible ergonomics and a trigger pull to match.
+1. Horrible trigger pull. Looks like a Hungarian PA-63, but sure as heck doesn't shoot like one. I shot a guy's Bersa .380 and I just kept pulling and pulling and pulling on the long, heavy trigger, expecting it to break, until I started to lose strength because I'd pulled too far and lost leverage. It FINALLY broke. It was the absolute WORST trigger I've ever experienced. The guy shot my respringed Polish P-64 and immediately said he loved the trigger. All 3 of my 9x18 ComBloc pistols have better triggers than that thing, and every one of them cost a heck of a lot less money.

elandil
April 9, 2011, 02:31 AM
Hands down, a Taurus 85 revolver in .38 special. Bought it for my wife to carry at the time since she was new to handguns and didn't have to worry about it jamming. She kept complaining that it wasn't that accurate, and I chalked it up to user error.

One day, while we were at the range, I decided to give it a trial to see if she was right. Got a bench rest, ran a silhouette target out to 7 yards, with the gun steadied on the rest, ran all 5 rounds. 3 were outside the silhouette around the arms an shoulders, one was in the groin, and the other would have grazed the femur. Considering it was benched and aimed at center mass, I took it to the next gun show and traded it in for something worthwhile.

Vonderek
April 9, 2011, 09:24 AM
And while it was nowhere near the level of the stuff you seem to have just lying aboutWere you there?

In answer to the OP, the worst pistol I have ever shot was an AMT .380 Backup DAO Jammomatic.

XxWINxX94
April 9, 2011, 01:08 PM
Stoeger "Luger" in .22LR for me.

Mag spring is unusually weak/flimsy, and one mag already broke on me. I know the Luger action isn't the most reliable, but this thing jams like every 5 rounds. Honestly, my 1940 S/42 Luger works better than this Stoeger.

Also has an unusually weak firing pin that is probably the source for most of my problems with this gun.

Don't really care too much because it was inherited and I barely shoot it.

Animal Mother
April 9, 2011, 03:17 PM
Worse double action revolver trigger pull was a 1895 Nagant, 20+ lbs most likely but at least it has the option of being fired single action.

Worse autoloader trigger pull was a S&W Sigma. That trigger is a mushy heavy mess.

Worse for accuracy is a friends old Rohm RG-10. It would miss the paper completely when fired at distance of 10 feet. Just horrific.

usp9
April 9, 2011, 03:52 PM
I never wanted and wished so much that a gun would work well, but it didn't, more than the Sig Mosquito that I owned a few years ago. What a teriffic gun it could have been.

Jaybird78
April 9, 2011, 06:42 PM
If I recall correctly it was a Phoenix Arms .22 semi auto. A guy at work had won it in a raffle. I believe he got 3 shots to go and I tried and tried but could not get it to fire.

Shortly he asked if I wanted to purchase this pistol....I laughed....and I think he was serious. :neener:

bannockburn
April 9, 2011, 08:13 PM
Probably the worst pistol I ever shot was a beautiful 1966 vintage Browning Hi-Power. While it's outward appearance was immaculate, the actual inner workings of this particular model were far from perfection. The trigger pull was somewhere north of 12 pounds. I doubt whether removing the mag safety would have improved it all that much. The sights were way too small to be of much help and the thumb safety required the use of a mallet to put it on or take it off. Accuracy was 1 MOB, or Minute of Barn. Definitely not one of their better efforts.

Sauer Grapes
April 9, 2011, 08:29 PM
Without a doubt the Sig Mosquito. I purchased it with high hopes but was very quickly dismayed. I ended up selling it to a friend for $100 with the caution that it was not exactly the best .22 in the world. He says that with CCI Minimags it only malfunctions 1/15-20 shots or so. That was after a trip to the gunsmith.

I just had the pleasure of shooting one. :barf:

trekgod3
April 9, 2011, 08:33 PM
Cobra Patriot 45. It has a 12lb+ trigger pull. Sold it and got a Glock.

LensWork
April 9, 2011, 08:52 PM
First I should preface my response by stating that I have never owned, nor even fired, any "cheap" pistols that most might expect to find in this thread. Call me a snob, or elitist, but that's just my back-story.

Springfield Armory 1911A1. I purchased it new in about 1984, and on the 27th round through the weapon, it broke. I took it to a gunsmith who, upon dis-assembly, found that a burr of metal inside the mainspring housing tunnel had jammed the mainspring rendering the firearm inoperable. After having the pistol repaired, I sold it and have not owned another SA handgun since.

Siggity Sal
April 9, 2011, 09:24 PM
The worst pistol I have ever shot was a Walther P99 QA, This gun made a very clanky (for lack of a better word) sound to it when it was being fired and was not very accurate, I sold it and got a Sig p226 and never looked back.

jgiehl
April 9, 2011, 10:33 PM
Before I knew anything really about guns I purchased a "Beretta" 9mm.
Or so I thought and took the dealers word for it.
It was really a Helwan 9mm Beretta knockoff that was a TOTAL PIECE OF CRAP!!!!!!!!
Realistically though it was no fault of the firearms, I think.
The recoil spring was incorrect as it was just a spring that was crammed in there so the pistol would never lock back. Every third shot I believe was a stove pipe. You had to force the magazine in and out because the slot did not line up with the grip frame.
The rear sight came loose often even though it only sat in a case and was never shot much. There was other stuff wrong with it too but I can't remember now it's been so long.

But the dealer I bought it from when I asked him how it shot, his reply was, "Shoots great, real accurate and dependable pistol." Straight to my face told me that. Man did I get hosed on that. A REAL learning experience for the freshly turned 21 year old, happy birthday to me!

Antihero
April 10, 2011, 03:01 AM
The worst gun ive owned was a Ruger mark II. It always jammed and the only thing i can say for its benefit is when my mother started wanting to shoot and learn more about guns i would let her use it so she could learn to clear jams.

Another bad gun was one of the original Heritage Rough Rider's. The screw holding the ejection rod shroud stripped out from the apparent awesome recoil of a 22LR.

cougfan
April 10, 2011, 03:55 AM
I believe the first center-fire pistol I ever shot was a mid sized Glock 9mm and, likely due to operator error, it snagged the webbing of my hand. That sure stung and made the rest of my range outing a bit less fun.

The least accurate, cheapest and least reliable gun I have shot is a Davis Derringer in .25 ACP. The safety even managed to break and fall out on the ride home from the gun show. I have gotten way more than $100 of enjoyment out of it and would never regret buying it.

Sport45
April 10, 2011, 04:37 AM
Worst rimfire was my High Standard Duramatic. The screw that held the barrel to the frame wouldn't stay tight. The worst centerfire I ever shot was my Colt 1991A1.

The Colt was much better after I took all the aftermarket "upgrades" out and replaced the hammer I had improved by stoning. :rolleyes:

I learned that just because you can modify them so easily doesn't mean you should. ;)

Friendly, Don't Fire!
April 10, 2011, 07:11 AM
I tried sending Friendly, Don't Fire a private message, which I would have preferred, but private messages to him on this forum have apparently been blocked at his request. This is the message I get: “Friendly, Don't Fire! has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her.”

Friendly, Don't Fire, this is at least the third post you’ve made about the LWS .25 you bought. I’d like to hear from you to clarify some things so that we can avoid a repeat of the bad experience you had. Be assured I'm not questioning your integrity. We've certainly deserved our share of criticism.

I can be reached at my private cell number 203-606-0688.

Some things you’ve said leave questions and confusion as to what might have happened. Here’s an earlier post I made with regard to a post of yours. I received no response. I assume you did not see the post. Please call me.
I just sent a lengthy email to Mr. Seecamp regarding the .25 Auto I had purchased new in the 80's.

Odd Job
April 10, 2011, 07:33 AM
Any pistol can be a "worst pistol" if there is something wrong with it or it has been abused.
For that reason the worst I fired was a SIG P228 at an indoor range. It was a hire gun and it was terrible.
A NIB P228 might be a different story, in fact probably the best approach would be to try three new examples.

Leviathan5964
April 10, 2011, 10:00 PM
Chinese Tokarev 9mm. (TU90). Fell apart in my hands. Glad it wasn't mine but part of my job at the time was selling them. I only ended up selling a few but only after explicitly warning the customer that they were junk.

CHALK22
April 10, 2011, 11:56 PM
I never fired it, but one of my employees brought a Hi Point 9mm to work the other day that must have been 25 years old. I could not even figure out how to break it down for cleaning, but I did not try that hard. The thing was as heavy as an ox, and built like one too! I also enjoyed the side firing ejection port, straight out the side. Trigger was horrible, rough, and grainy like there was actually sand/dirt in the fire controls (which there probably was)

Also the Sig Mosquito reviews are very helpful. I was thinking of picking one up at some point. Maybe now I will try to shoot one first, or just stay away....

ET
April 11, 2011, 12:26 AM
Hi-Point C9...

DeepSouth
April 11, 2011, 01:15 AM
Walther P22

TexasGlock23
April 11, 2011, 01:45 AM
Bersa thunder .380 bought new, had it smithed three times in three months.

wally
April 11, 2011, 06:03 PM
For me Chiappa 1911-22. At least my Jennings .22 will usually go a box of ammo before a failure. Can rarely go three mags without a stovepipe. What really chaps, is it cost me $60 to send it back for repair and it came back worse than it was before. The Jennings cost significantly less than I spent on shipping the Chiappa back.

makarovnik
April 11, 2011, 07:50 PM
The trigger on my Hi-Point .45 isn't too bad if I keep the sand and stuff out of it and keep it clean.

Taurus_9mm
April 11, 2011, 11:48 PM
Another vote for the Jennings J22. Mine worked well initially but that changed rather quickly. The bad memories have been laid to rest with the addition of a Ruger 22/45.

:)

FoMoGo
April 12, 2011, 12:27 AM
A newer Kimber 1911.
It had a great trigger and was accurate, as far as I could tell.
Almost every round thru it was either a FTF or a FTE... sometimes both on the same round.
But when it DID chamber a round... it went bang every time.
Looked like a million bucks... but I would take a jimenez, raven, or hi point over that Kimber... unless it was to resell.


Jim

Jonah71
April 12, 2011, 10:18 AM
Jennings J22. neither the frame nor the slide are steel. it jams all the time. dirty, clean, dry, lubed; it will jam. at least the one I owned. But i guess you get what you pay for with a gun you pay 65 dollars for.
Same here with the Jennings .22 in the 80's. My Llama .45 would run a close 2nd. One of the nicest looking guns I've ever owned. But about as dependable as the Jennings.

Broker
April 12, 2011, 02:00 PM
Walther P22. Should have known when the salesman @ the gunstore warned me to use only Stingers. Didn't work with anyting, though. Experienced at least 2-3 stoppages every ten rounds. Put about 2,000 rounds through it, just kept getting worse, finally sod it at a loss. it's a shame, too. I liked the size, ergonomis , etc. Just would not run. Live & learn, I suppose.

Babarsac
April 12, 2011, 02:14 PM
Hungarian PA-63 I never thought someone could mess up a rock solid design like the Makarov up so much. Bought it from JG for $100 back in the day and it was a waste of money.

cls12vg30
April 12, 2011, 03:17 PM
I guess the worst would be a Llama MicroMax .380, which I bought because I loved the Colt Govt. .380 but couldn't afford it. The edges were practically razor sharp, and the steel was so soft that the notch for the slide catch started to deform after only a hundred rounds or so. It wasn't the most reliable thing, either. Oh and the grip panel screws didn't fit flush so they bit into your hand.

I kept it around for a few years, then traded it towards a KelTec P3-AT.

RSVP2RIP
April 12, 2011, 06:02 PM
Intratec Tec-9m. GARBAGE! Traded a Winchester 1300 for it and kicked myself after shooting it. It rubbed the skin off my right thumb and only worked with FMJ. It was phone booth accurate though :/

exiledtoIA
April 12, 2011, 11:48 PM
COP 357
Out of the 4 barrells you would get 2 reliable shots, never the same 2.
It did make reloads easier tho, the rounds that didn't fire would stay put
while the fired cases popped out, sometimes, occasionally.
Darned hard to hold onto with full power rounds and even 38spl Wadcutters
weren't a joy to shoot.
I still have it to remind me that new is not always better, and that gunwriters are in business to sell guns.

Old joke:
How do you know a gunwriter is lying?
He's writing an article.

killertom
April 13, 2011, 08:38 AM
Posted by Babarsac:
Hungarian PA-63 I never thought someone could mess up a rock solid design like the Makarov up so much. Bought it from JG for $100 back in the day and it was a waste of money.

Sorry but the PA63 has nothing to do with the Makarov except for the ammunition it fires. It is a design based on the Walther PP with some modifications. Sure, it kicks a lot, but it is a defensive handgun designed to be carried a lot and shot if needed, and it is an excellent weapon for that purpose.

dnthmn
April 14, 2011, 06:37 AM
Least reliable was a Sig Mosquito. The worst failure was a Davis P-380 (but it worked fine until the slide broke).

WardenWolf
April 14, 2011, 07:01 AM
Hungarian PA-63 I never thought someone could mess up a rock solid design like the Makarov up so much. Bought it from JG for $100 back in the day and it was a waste of money.
Odd. My PA-63 runs very well, and is accurate. It's one of my favorite handguns to shoot. I respringed it with the strongest recoil spring and a 13-pound hammer spring. Quite pleasant. Yeah, the 9x18 round is pretty powerful for its size and has quite a kick to it compared to .380, which is unpleasant to some people, but there's nothing wrong with the PA-63. You sure you didn't get a Bersa by mistake? ;)

Pawdog
April 14, 2011, 09:24 AM
Worse, Llama Mini-Max .45, bought new in 2004 for $180.00 at an Academy sale. I could never get that gun to feed more than three or four rounds without stove piping. Spent another $50.00 or so on new recoil springs, mags, polishing the feed ramp, the thing still wouldn't feed ammo. I gave it away for free after a few months. It's the only pistol I ever had that the grip frame bent inward if you tried to tighten the grip screws, and you couldn't even insert the mags. Had to try to shoot it with loose grips..........

aHFo3
April 14, 2011, 11:47 AM
It's a tie between the Walther P22 for FTF reasons and the Taurus PT22 for a horrible trigger and therefore bad accuracy.

The Lone Haranguer
April 14, 2011, 07:36 PM
Taurus PT945 in 1995. It went two shots before the extractor broke, and downhill from there.

Para-Ordnance P12-45 in 1999. It rarely fired more than three consecutive shots and chewed a hole in my hand.

SIG 1911 in 2007. It choked on the second shot I ever fired through it and broke and shed parts on the range floor to be mixed with the brass. After three repairs they (to their credit) gave me a new one. This one was much better ... until it broke. This was particularly galling because it cost over $900 and I had had such positive experiences with their "classic" P-series.

CHM
April 15, 2011, 07:54 AM
#1. Kimber Polymer - most accurate 45 I have, but also most FTF, etc liklely due to mag issues. Finicky about which ammo it feeds also...
#2. Walther PPK/S - just nothing special in terms of accuracy.

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