No Matter How You Feel About Those Fake Brass Navy's....


Foto Joe
April 9, 2011, 11:01 PM
You gotta admit they're a lot of fun to shoot!!

I was trying out some new "Paper Cartridges" and decided to boost my ego by shooting a video of the results. I decided not to load the round ball into the cartridge. Mainly because the round balls are the least problematic to haul around. So I just rolled up some cartridges with powder and filler only.

Here's the results. (

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April 9, 2011, 11:04 PM
LOL! ;)

I know some of you fellas are tired of hearing my whining about brass frames and .44 "non-Navy" revolvers. :neener:

p.s. Nice video...Great job!

April 10, 2011, 12:56 AM
That's why I call mine the "Navy Knockoff". But it's still a fun gun to shoot, whether it's authentic or not.

April 10, 2011, 09:33 AM
But it's still a fun gun to shoot, whether it's authentic or not.

I agree! ;)'s a nice looking setup too!

April 10, 2011, 09:47 AM
Couldn't have been a better day!:)

rocky branch
April 10, 2011, 11:30 AM
It's all about having a good time!

April 10, 2011, 12:28 PM
excellent video and ya i love teh gun i have two of them

Jim K
April 11, 2011, 04:22 PM
I don't have any feelings about those brass frame revolvers until they turn up marked "CSA" with a story about how the seller's GGGrandfather, a Confederate General (all Confederates were Generals, which is probably why they lost the war) fired it at Grant at the battle of Gettysburg. And only $10,000!


April 11, 2011, 04:49 PM
I still say if you tossed one down on a Civil War battlefield [using the Way back machine] someone would scoop it up and use it without a second thought, and no one would cry ''farb''....

April 11, 2011, 11:48 PM
great video! i love how towards the end you had some destruction tests! how is the recoil on a .44 cap n' ball?

April 12, 2011, 03:46 AM
A steel frame Remington loaded with round ball can feel about as stout as a .40S&W semi-auto.
It depends on the type of powder, the amount and its compression. But you may miss out on experiencing full house loads with a .44 brasser. A .36 brasser is probably less susceptible to damage since the balls & powder charges are lighter.

5 second video:

April 12, 2011, 04:09 AM
Here comes the thinking:

I thought the reason folks used cigarette paper to make cartridges was for the ability to just drop'em integre in the cylinder.

I thought that the paper cartridges that were torn and dumped were for rifles and made of heavier (and not so flammable) paper.

Crazy thoughts?

April 12, 2011, 04:39 AM
You're right but folks do it the way that they think works best for them and their gun. Foto Joe has his cartridge ends heavily twisted which may interfere with reliable ignition if he didn't tear them off. Some folks will poke their cartridges with a nipple pick while others will load theirs whole and let the paper rip open.
If loading it whole the cartridge may not rip open and still work, but not with certainty.
So that's why every individual does it differently. Even if it ignites, cigarette paper may not always be fully consumed or combusted, so then the unburned remants can interfere and block the nipple hole for subsequent shots unless it's removed which can be tedious.
How much the paper is nitrated may have something to do with it. Because cigarette paper is consumed by humans, the amount of nitrating probably isn't near enough to the maximum amount to guarantee total reliability nor complete combustion of the paper.
So by ripping his cartridges open, Foto Joe is making them more reliable and isn't giving any unburned paper a chance to accumulate in the chamber and interfere with subsequent loadings.

Foto Joe
April 12, 2011, 12:52 PM
arcticap is about as close to 100% as you can get, but I'll clarify a couple of things.

First off, the reason I'm doing this has nothing to do with historical accuracy. I seldom drive a truck to go shoot. I will either be on the bike or in the Rhino and cargo space is at a premium. So paper cartridges make going shooting less equipment intensive.

I've sealed the ends both by folding over and by twisting. I've found that either way I can simply stick the cartridge in the hole, ram it home and it works. In the couple of hundred that I've fired this way, I've never had a misfire and only a couple of split second hangfires, you know the kind where you the shooter are the only one that knows it hung for a split second.

The main reason that I started tearing off the end was that about every other cylinder I would get a nipple that I just couldn't get the pick through, so I'd have to fire a cap to clear it. I started twisting the cartridges because first off, it's easier than folding and secondly, it's easier to tear off the "teat" and just dump the powder in. I don't necessarily "empty" the cartridge into the chamber, all I do is get some powder up against the flash hole, then stuff the remainder in the hole and seat a ball. This helps ensure that the majority of the paper gets consumed/ejected.

I quit including the balls in the cartridges simply out of laziness. It's easier to sit in front of the idiot box with my flask, filler and a sponge and roll my own without the ball. Also, when seating the cartridges with the ball included, you shave not only lead but paper. This might seem like the height of laziness, but the paper rings are a pain to clear with my fat fingers. It's just as easy to stick that ball on top of the chamber and ram it home on top of the cartridge.

To answer Levi's question, the recoil is negligable. My (at the time) 8 year old grandson has fired this gun comfortably. Both of my daughters and my wife also fire it regularly. With a load of 16gr of powder, it very managable.

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