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1KPerDay
April 10, 2011, 12:46 AM
Ladies and gentlemen, I hereby present to you, my first reload ever! I'm so proud of myself. LOL:D

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/1KPerDay/Guns/Reloading/15b1fe6b.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/1KPerDay/Guns/Reloading/04038390.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/1KPerDay/Guns/Reloading/fa649f78.jpg

.40 S&W, berry's 180gr double struck plated, 4.0 gr of red dot, CCI spp. OAL 1.125". Loaded on Lee classic turret with Lee deluxe 4-die set. How's the crimp look? I understand you don't want to crimp too heavy with plated lead because it's relatively soft or whatever.

It was a lonnnng time coming and I thank you again for all your patience and advice.

I don't think I can bear to shoot it... it cost me like 500 bucks and 8 hours work. :p

Can you have ammo bronzed?:uhoh::evil:

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Minnesota Wild
April 10, 2011, 01:01 AM
Sounds suspiciously like my first reload. Same caliber/bullet/OAL.

For the crimp, it's really tough to tell with taper crimped ammo. Unlike a roll crimp, with a taper the "crimp" is simply supposed to remove any belling and set the mouth of the cartridge for headspacing. Mine tend to look like what you have there, with a very fine line of shiny material at the very rim of the cartridge.

Congrats on the first round. Fortunately, the disease is incurable and leads to more calibers.

ljnowell
April 10, 2011, 01:06 AM
Congrats 1kperday!! I can still remember mine. 45acp, win brass, 200gr Ranier HP, 4.4 gr of 700x, OAL 1.260".

You will soon start branching out. You can find that one load, but bullets will be your new vice. I see something new and I have to have it. Then you get the joy of using multiple powders to find your perfect load for it. Its very addictive.

I am looking forward to the range report, dont forget a pic of yourself with the target, so we can all see the big ol' grin on your face!

jcwit
April 10, 2011, 01:06 AM
My first reload do I remember, not hardly. Loaded it up way back in 1960 something with the Lee Loaders available then for $9.95, stickers still on the box from the sporting goods store I bought it from, stores long since gone. Still have some powder from that era, $4.79 a lb., no idea about the primers.

Got a few bucks over the years with reloads from that Lee Loader, the kind you use with a mallet.

Still use the Lee Loader once in a while for old times sake.

1SOW
April 10, 2011, 01:11 AM
Darn good feeling isn't it!

That cartridge looks good. I'd bet it'll (or if you 'save' the first one--the second one will) shoot fine. Be careful with your aim and photo the target.:D

Congrats!

ljnowell
April 10, 2011, 01:11 AM
My first reload do I remember, not hardly. Loaded it up way back in 1960 something with the Lee Loaders available then for $9.95, stickers still on the box from the sporting goods store I bought it from, stores long since gone. Still have some powder from that era, $4.79 a lb., no idea about the primers.

Got a few bucks over the years with reloads from that Lee Loader, the kind you use with a mallet.

Still use the Lee Loader once in a while for old times sake.

Thats awesome. My first reloads were on one of the 25 dollar lee C press mounted in my parents garage. Lee dippers and a hand me down used Dillon Eliminator scale. Had a hand me down Lee Autoprime hand primer. I look at what I have now and just shake my head.

Sunray
April 10, 2011, 01:24 AM
"...Can you have ammo bronzed..." Sure, but you'll lose the shine.
"...How's the crimp look?..." The best guage is the chamber of your pistol. If it drops in and sits right, it'll be fine.
"...the kind you use with a mallet..." Mine was a .243. Don't remember what I paid for it. Wasn't far off $10Cdn though. I'd like to know what possessed 'em to make the silly scoops in CC's.

BigBob3006
April 10, 2011, 01:30 AM
Beautiful, just beautiful! :):)

bds
April 10, 2011, 01:55 AM
it cost me like 500 bucks and 8 hours work.
But the feeling of accomplishment is PRICELESS!

Congrats!

Now, we want to hear the range report on reload round #2, 3, 4, etc ... :D

I shot my first reload, I think, with my eyes closed and hand over my eyes. When the pistol fired and shot a hole in the target, I jumped up and down screaming ... other shooters at the range thought I caught a ricochet. :D

fractal7
April 10, 2011, 01:56 AM
Just wait till you fire it, I know my first reloads, 357 mags, I pointed the gun down range and kind of shielded my face as I pulled the trigger...I've gained a little bit of confidence since then.

1KPerDay
April 10, 2011, 10:42 PM
But the feeling of accomplishment is PRICELESS!

Congrats!

Now, we want to hear the range report on reload round #2, 3, 4, etc ... :D

I shot my first reload, I think, with my eyes closed and hand over my eyes. When the pistol fired and shot a hole in the target, I jumped up and down screaming ... other shooters at the range thought I caught a ricochet. :D
ha haaaa! :D

REL1203
April 10, 2011, 10:54 PM
I too still have my first Rifle and Handgun reload. My VERY first was 308, Varget, 169g SMK.... My first Handgun was 180g Berry 40cal with WST i believe. Got them both on my bench

TGReaper
April 10, 2011, 11:25 PM
Unfortunately what you have just done leads to an incurable addiction.Sorry.

J_McLeod
April 11, 2011, 01:15 AM
Congrats! It won't save you any money.

I shot my first reload wearing ballistic eyewear and nomex gloves. The eyewear was standard, but I was the only person on the range wearing gloves.

ghostwriter
April 11, 2011, 03:59 AM
Right on brother... You need to bag it and tag it and save it. Just like the new business owner who saves their "first dollar made" and post it over the bar, you need to hang your first reload over the bench...

wcavasos
April 11, 2011, 12:00 PM
I wish I remembered more about my first reload. It was a 30-06 with a 150 grain speer bullet. The powder was IMR but i don't remember the # designation. Heck I can't believe I remember that much considering I was only 14 years old.Good to you. Enjoy!!!!

Bush Pilot
April 11, 2011, 07:51 PM
Seems like 37 years ago, oh yeah, it was, Remington 700 in .30/06. Did anybody NOT turn their head and put as much of their body behind something on the first round or two?

jhansman
April 12, 2011, 12:03 AM
I just smile when I see guys show up at the range with plastic bags full of factory ammo from Wally World, or wherever. Like you, I knew the first time I made a shootable round, I was in deep.

788Ham
April 12, 2011, 12:14 AM
You did a super job, congratulations! My first reload was a .380 for a Browning BDA back in the early 70's, wish I still had that Browning! I'll bet I spent 8 hrs. doing my first cartridge, didn't want to screw things up. That was years ago, glad to have you aboard for the rest of your shooting days, it does get better!:cool:

1KPerDay
April 12, 2011, 01:31 AM
Thanks guys! I've got about 40 or so 'work up' loads built... I'm triple measuring the powder and it's time consuming and frustrating (I can't get my measures to meter red dot consistently, nor my scales to weigh super consistently... I re-weigh 2 or 3 times on each scale until I get the same measurement on both... it seems both the digital and the 5-10 have their advantages). I have a powder trickler on the way from a kind THRer so that will help at least for this workup process.

I have a question re: the factory crimp die. I notice when lowering the ram after crimping I get a 'bang' as the round exits the die. I initially thought it was the brass momentarily adhering to the rougher texture of the crimp portion of the die and then breaking free, but I just took a good look and it happens after the case is lowered a quarter of an inch or more... now I'm thinking maybe the 'sizing' ring is grabbing on the rim that hasn't been crimped enough and sizing it down.

But then wouldn't it also rub/bang on the way into the die? I've measured the OD of the case and then right at the crimp in accordance with bds' advice and it's two thousandths smaller at the crimp, which I understand is good.

I've also checked them in my pistol barrel and they all go in fine and fit flush, and I've cycled 10 rounds through and re-measured for setback and they are fine... so is this just an issue with my particular FCD or am I maybe not doing something exactly right? There aren't any 'new' rub marks on the case anywhere with the exception of the crimp area, and of course I can't tell whether that brighter area is caused by the crimp or by the post-sizing ring as the case exits the die.

I chose to use the FCD because I had it, and it seemed easier to set up and adjust crimp, and to seat and crimp in two separate operations.

LightningMan
April 12, 2011, 07:23 AM
I'd rather forget my first reloading experence. Back in the eighties I bought a P38 9mm and saved all my brass untill I aquired nearly 1000 rds. of it. Finally I bought the dies & press, bought some lead bullets at a local gun show, got a manual and away I went. But wait, I couldn't find any load data in my manual for 125 RNL bullets, oh well 124 gr. FMJ was close enough in weight, so I used that information. BIG mistake! Lucky I didn't damage my gun, but leaded up the barrel something terriable. I had something like 600 reloads to get rid of. Just soon forget that one LM

cavman
April 12, 2011, 08:11 AM
How's the crimp look?

When I look at the left edge of the second picture, it seems to still have some bell there.

But as Sunray said, if it drops in the barrel and it goes into battery, you should be good to go.

1KPerDay
April 12, 2011, 12:08 PM
Thanks cavman... I've since adjusted for less bell/flare and a bit more crimp. :cool:

I still get that weird stuck/bang thing when lowering the ram from the FCD. Only on the way out though. :confused:

ljnowell
April 12, 2011, 12:23 PM
I still get that weird stuck/bang thing when lowering the ram from the FCD. Only on the way out though.

That is it post sizing. I have noticed with mine that I will encounter resistance going in, but a "stuck/Bang" is a good way to describe the way out. I think its because when it breaks loose you are pulling down and its a different movement and different noise. The real problem though is that with a jacketed bullet you shouldnt see that much post sizing occuring. If the bullet is in spec you shouldnt be getting that much. Unless you dont have bullets straight in the case when seating or something.

1KPerDay
April 12, 2011, 12:39 PM
Thanks. FYI these are plated, not jacketed, and they are supposed to be "double struck" which means they're sized again after plating. I think I may just not be crimping enough or still flaring too much... the bullets look straight going in and they seat straight.

I guess as long as they work it's fine. :) That remains to be seen... anyone have some kevlar gloves I can borrow? LOL

mdi
April 12, 2011, 12:50 PM
IT'S A BOY! Weighs in at 180 grains and 1.125" long. Yahoo! What ya gonna name him?

bubbacrabb
April 12, 2011, 01:01 PM
It wasnt long ago I made my first. The guy that taught me how to reload said "Bag that thing up and put it on your wall with a sign that says, This bullet only cost me 600 dollars" lol. I also fired my first round into a berm looking the opposite way, wearing a leather glove, praying my gun wasnt going to blow apart and my hand wouldnt be mangled. Luckily I now feel a lot safer. Good luck buddy.

Smokey Joe
April 12, 2011, 01:25 PM
1 K per Day--Good on you, starting to reload. I sez "FIDDLESTICKS" to saving your first round. You reload for one reason only. Take it to the range, along with rounds # 2 through 50 or whatever, and SHOOT IT!

Then bring all the brass back, and reload it again.

There is only so much "stuff" you can collect in life. You will remember starting to reload forever (whether it be with glee or with regret) so you don't need the memento.

I, too, remember firing my first reload with hand over my face!

Oh, and welcome to The Magnificent Obsession--Reloading!

1KPerDay
April 12, 2011, 01:36 PM
IT'S A BOY! Weighs in at 180 grains and 1.125" long. Yahoo! What ya gonna name him?
Kablooey X. Bangenstein, VII :D

popper
April 12, 2011, 02:21 PM
Taper crimp, NOT FCD. Taper leaves a thin line at the lip. Don't know why there would be a sizer ring on a crimp die. On a multi-position press, you either get two seater/crimp die and set the first one for seating, second for crimp or set a single die to do both, which is more difficult. In any case, if you can feel the 'bell' it's not gone, but won't make much difference if it fits in the barrel.
Keep the first one for now. Later you will forget about it.

Steve Koski
April 12, 2011, 03:42 PM
Very nice 1k!

Friendly, Don't Fire!
April 12, 2011, 03:48 PM
Congradulashekuns!;)

My first loads ever were .270 loads.
It's a nice feeling when you know you have produced them from mere components, carefully assemblying everything so they are accurate, reliable and inexpensive compared to store-bought!:cool:

1KPerDay
April 12, 2011, 04:11 PM
Taper crimp, NOT FCD. Taper leaves a thin line at the lip. Don't know why there would be a sizer ring on a crimp die. On a multi-position press, you either get two seater/crimp die and set the first one for seating, second for crimp or set a single die to do both, which is more difficult. In any case, if you can feel the 'bell' it's not gone, but won't make much difference if it fits in the barrel.
Keep the first one for now. Later you will forget about it.
The lee deluxe dies include a bullet seating/taper crimp die as well as the Factory Crimp Die, which (for auto pistols) is basically just a taper crimp die with a sizing ring at the bottom, to my knowledge. I'm using the 3rd station to seat and the 4th to taper crimp with the FCD.

Seems to work okay so far.

Smokey Joe
April 12, 2011, 07:47 PM
Kablooey X. Bangenstein, I There ya go.

Now go shoot 'em all up!

Otto
April 12, 2011, 09:31 PM
Why use Red Dot?
Alliant has no current published load data for the 40S&W.
They used to 15 years ago but no longer recommend it and nether does any other company (as far as I know).
There must be a dozen powders better suited for the 40 than Red Dot.

1KPerDay
April 12, 2011, 10:36 PM
Read up here if you're interested
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=585707

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=577438

1KPerDay
April 20, 2011, 10:32 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, may I present Mister Springfield:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/1KPerDay/Guns/Reloading/791dc8ba.jpg

HXP brass, trimmed to 2.484", primed with CCI LRP #200, 46 grains of H4895, pulled 147 gran M80 bullet, OAL 3.297".

No crimp yet... I'm going to load a few and measure OAL after I chamber one (at the range) and if it's good, shoot a couple (with my fingers crossed and a kevlar bag over my head) and then measure the OAL of the ones in the magazine to make sure everything looks good.

Rifle reloading is a LOT more work than semi-auto pistol. http://www.gigabikes.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/thud.gif

kbbailey
April 20, 2011, 10:58 PM
......and soon you will discover how to choose your factory ammo...(by the quality of the empty case)

1KPerDay
April 21, 2011, 12:48 PM
I don't think I can afford to buy any more factory .30-06 ammo. I'm too cheap. :D

ny32182
April 21, 2011, 02:27 PM
I started off on .223, sometime in 2007 I believe.

I believe I gave a slight pause to appreciate the moment, but don't recall turning my head away or anything for the first shot. I did have one round in the first session that locked the gun up and required a pogo; I quickly learned to gage ammo after that.

Something you can TRY (I am not saying it will work for everyone, or with all components): Since I started on rifle I was new to the "belling" concept when I started on pistol cases, and before long just stopped doing it. To this day if you are shooting jacketed bullets I have no idea why you would want to bell with pistol any more than you do rifle. I shoot jacketed bullets that "shave" very little if at all. It will save you at least one pull of the handle on each round on the turret press (adds up fast) and eliminates two things to potentially screw up (the bell and the crimp... the "crimp" will be automatically perfect if you never bell in the first place). You will have to try with your specific bullets to make sure they don't "shave".

I am getting a progressive very soon and may revisit the concept since you are getting the operations for "free" in that case.

1KPerDay
April 21, 2011, 03:53 PM
I don't see how it would save me a stroke... the expander/bell station is the powder drop station on my press. And in my press you still have to stroke the handle to skip over a station and get back to the first one anyway (if for example I decided I didn't need a separate crimp station). And in my handguns I'm not loading FMJ; I'm loading plated. I'm going to continue belling slightly.

rugerman
April 21, 2011, 08:13 PM
Oh Great! just what we need- another primmer hoarding, brass scrrounger to streach the limited supply of reloading components a little bit farther and raise the price a little bit higher. Welcome to the club just stay away from my brass. Hope you enjoy the hobby as much as I have. Keep your powder dry and may any misteaks be small ones.

1KPerDay
April 30, 2011, 01:53 AM
Hee heee! I just loaded up my first batch of .45 ACP, using the 'semi-progressive' features of the LCT. Feels like I'm going 3000 percent faster than loading 'single stage' style. I counted out loud and it took me about 10 seconds to produce a loaded round.

I got the same "stick/bang" thing out of the FCD but not as bad, and then I dialed in more crimp and it went away. So I figure on my .40 reloads above I just hadn't dialed in enough crimp... for the future ones I will.

This is actually a lot of fun.

Is it a bit weird that I kinda don't want to shoot these rounds now? It took so much work... I feel like they're my children or something. LOL :D

ljnowell
April 30, 2011, 02:05 AM
I gotta tell you, I have loaded on several different progressives and single stages and I love my Lee Turret. I dont see me getting rid of it, ever.

mdi
April 30, 2011, 12:16 PM
Yer Hooked! Frame it and hang it on your reloading room wall (like a store does for their first dollar). I remember my first; 38 Special, 158 gr. JSN, Bullseye powder all put together with a Lee Loader about late Sept. 1969...

mcofboise
April 30, 2011, 06:00 PM
Congrats. Eventually, 2 or 3 decades, the cost per round will become more reasonable. :p My first was .357 mag using a Lee mallet tool, 121 gr LRN and Alcan AL-5. sometime in the summer of 1978 for my first centerfire handgun. I still have the gun, the Lee kit, an exemplar round from the first batch and even a couple of the bullets in their original box; produced by a local master caster who has since gone out to pasture. I recently gave the powder can to a local shopowner since he didn't have one of that version in his "museum."
Welcome to the fold. Recovery meetings are held every Sunday at the range...

supergoat343
April 30, 2011, 08:20 PM
Its among those few memories that never really leave us. And out of the 100,000 plus rounds which some of us may churn out in a lifetime, that will probably be the only one you will remember.

My first round a 175gr .308 winchester sits proudly on my windowsill, along with the other two dozen duds, failures, lapses of memory, and outbursts of stupidity.:D

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