dillon 650 - worn primer disk plate


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lykoris
April 10, 2011, 06:11 AM
has anybody else appear to have worn out their primer disk plate for small pistol primers?

in comparison to my LP disk the SP disk appears to have a circular groove around the entire disk, more pronounced in some places than others - result is primers going in sideways/upside down.

I've discounted everything else.

my recourse is

- run it in the tumbler but it's so pronounced I doubt it will work
- call dillon for a new one.

I love the 650 but hate that priming system

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EddieNFL
April 10, 2011, 08:25 AM
My LP disc was fairly worn when Dillon did an overhaul. I started experiencing flipped primers. Dillon said the platform was bent and installed an updated version. Problem solved.

loadedround
April 10, 2011, 09:15 AM
As Dillon states "don't suffer in silence". Call them in the morning and let Dillon resolve your problem.

lykoris
May 26, 2011, 03:07 AM
I meant to update this thread before but it somehow slipped my mind. Short version was user error was to blame, the long version is below.

I called Dillon's customer service and after explaining my problem the guy said you haven't switched out the LP priming tube for the SP priming tube. I assured him I did switch them out but he insisted it's the only reason primers would be going in sideways....

So I checked the machine while he was on hold and turns out he was 100% correct and I've no idea why I was convinced I had switched them out :o :o :o Well after profoundly apologizing he said to give him a call if anything else crops up. Nothing did and the machine was running 100% as it always has done.

He also assured me the wear marks were perfectly normal.

After an hour and some 500-600 rounds later the pawl return spring broke. This spring is worked every pull of the handle and after two years of service and 10,000s of rounds later it was inevitable.

I dropped Dillon an e-mail asking for a replacement (plus a spare for the future) and within a few hours received an e-mail to confirm that the springs had been mailed :) I got them in the post one week later (shorter than expected as I'm in Europe and Sinclair take two weeks) and I was back in business.

This is the first time I've had any problems with my 650 and Dillon's staff know their stuff and their customer service people are just incredible, extremely courteous/professional even when the owner is adamant he switched out the primer tube :rolleyes: :o :o :o

Nothing in life is free and I know that this lifetime service of the press/free replacement of broken parts is built into the initial price of their equipment.

I bought this press with the long term view in mind and it's comforting to know that Dillon is always there should any hiccups arise, if it's 10 months from now or ten years from now.

I also solved my priming problem by buying another 650 so caliber changes are well under 5 minutes now :D

StaTiK
May 26, 2011, 03:52 PM
I love the 650 but hate that priming system

Well after profoundly apologizing he said to give him a call if anything else crops up. Nothing did and the machine was running 100% as it always has done.

He also assured me the wear marks were perfectly normal.

After an hour and some 500-600 rounds later the pawl return spring broke. This spring is worked every pull of the handle and after two years of service and 10,000s of rounds later it was inevitable.

So you only had the one priming issue, or were there others? Have you been flipping primers for tens of thousands of rounds?

-StaTiK-

lykoris
May 26, 2011, 04:23 PM
This was my only "problem", I think my real problem is my memory is going and I don't remember what I did 10 minutes ago lol :uhoh: :D

my dislike of the 650 priming system stems from switching out the primer punch bolt thingy (don't know the correct term) underneath the press...for me it's difficult to access and I always feel I'm stripping the nut, changing to primer disk on the main system is a piece of cake and very quick...it's just that unscrewing the small "primer punch bolt thingy" for large "primer punch bolt thingy" and the extremely restricted space you have to get a spanner on the nut and turn it.

This is my only hang up with the 650 but no longer :D

joed
May 27, 2011, 07:14 PM
Isn't Dillon's CS great? I too went for 2 presses to cut down on change over time. I use the 650 for small and a 1050 for large primer cartridges.

My only mistake was when I picked up the 1050 from a gunshop which was going out of business. It isn't the Super 1050 but it is a great press. I bought the 1050 for $800, and he had 2 for sale. I very stupidly let the second one get away.

highlander 5
May 31, 2011, 09:09 AM
Getting at the primer cup is a PITA that's why I bought the 2nd 650. That'smy only complaint against Dillon and I've had one of their presses since the day they went factory direct.

morrow
May 31, 2011, 12:47 PM
I don't understand this.
On the 650 the primer punch is VERY EASY to access with a 9/16 wrench, it takes like 30 seconds to change between large and small primer punches. It's even easier if you change from the spent primer cup system to a spent primer tube system (they're on ebay) to give you even more room.
As to the primer assemblys, buy 2 seperate assemblys, 1 for small and 1 for large. They aren't very expensive and it makes change-over times fast...only 2 allen bolts and BAM you're switched.
I don't understand how this can be so hard or confusing.

StaTiK
June 1, 2011, 03:03 AM
How much is a second assembly? This definitely seems like the way to go.

-StaTiK-

lykoris
June 1, 2011, 03:21 AM
I don't believe anybody said the process was confusing morrow so I've no idea where you get that from :confused:

Difficult to access that bolt and a bitch to switch out...hell yes, it is for me.

Either my hands/fingers are not small enough nor my spanner(I've tried quite a few plus variable/adjustable ones) but getting at that nut is a PITA as highlander 5 also pointed out and I'm 100% certain a lot of 650 owners feel the same way.

Once you get the spanner on the nut....assuming it's tightened up in a position you can get a spanner on it(sometimes I've to use a vice grips to gently snug it up - otherwise it gets loose and you get high primers), you can only turn it 1/8 of a turn max....so it takes me a hell of a lot longer than 30 seconds to switch this piece out.

The process of switching out the rest of the entire priming process is a complete breeze and very fast once you've done it a few times.

Buying a separate primer system won't make any difference as that punch still needs to be changed out every time you make the switch....hence why I got a 2nd 650.

MtnCreek
June 1, 2011, 09:40 AM
Either my hands/fingers are not small enough nor my spanner(I've tried quite a few plus variable/adjustable ones) but getting at that nut is a PITA as highlander 5 also pointed out and I'm 100% certain a lot of 650 owners feel the same way.
You can put me in that camp also. I have found that the bolt does not need to be tight, just snuged. This has made it a little easier to swap out.

wally
June 1, 2011, 03:11 PM
I love the 650 but hate that priming system

What else have you used? I know from experience that the Lee and Hornaday priming systems are much less reliable!

morrow
June 1, 2011, 03:23 PM
Either my hands/fingers are not small enough nor my spanner(I've tried quite a few plus variable/adjustable ones) but getting at that nut is a PITA as highlander 5 also pointed out and I'm 100% certain a lot of 650 owners feel the same way.
I disagree, I don't see many complaints of this
---HOWEVER---
If it's still just really hard for you to do it, for whatever reason, there's options!!! Instead of using the spent primer cup, remove it (and the holder) and you will have LOTS MORE ROOM to access the primer punch. It only adds a few minutes to changing it out. Check it out! I think the holder only has 2 screws. You might not even need to remove the holder, just the cup!

Personally what I did, since I hate the spent primer cup is I took it out completely. I added a spent primer tube instead. There's a few options for this.
1. they're sometimes sold on ebay, a little adapter+tube+catch can. I don't see any right now but I got mine from this ebay seller (try contacting him directly) http://myworld.ebay.com/subinc/ and it works great! It cost me about $25 shipped if I recall
2. make your own out of an empty case http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=42&t=331877&page=2
3. here's a guy that makes the adapter out of aluminum: http://idpaforum.yuku.com/topic/5343 his email is listed on that site

Pretty cheap and a LOT cheaper than buying an additional xl650! This gave me MUCH MORE ROOM to access the primer punch!!!

lykoris
June 1, 2011, 06:37 PM
I disagree, I don't see many complaints of this

I have yet to see another person on this thread agree with you. Maybe you have small hands and can switch the punch between large and small in 30 seconds, I have rather large hands and cannot along with two other guys in this thread.

the spent primer cup came out the first time I did it and every other time, it did not change any of the above, life is too short to take out the holder.

As I said I already found my solution and I repeat, I bought another 650 :p

Problem solved :D

lykoris
June 1, 2011, 06:44 PM
wally,

I have never used anything made by Lee except their decapping die, I played with a friends hornady lnl.

I also left my blue kool aid badge at the door

good night and good luck

morrow
June 1, 2011, 10:00 PM
I have yet to see another person on this thread agree with you.
And what? 2 people disagree with me? Great ratio
Find a bunch of threads since you claim most 650 owners complain about the punch.
Nice job wasting money on 2 presses when you could have used a $25 or less solution lolololol
Crusty stubborn old people set in their ways heavily entertain me!

lykoris
June 2, 2011, 06:18 AM
Crusty stubborn old people set in their ways heavily entertain me!

and your level of maturity is clearly showing if you need to insult people to get your point of view across :barf: ...this forum is called the high road for a reason in case you had not noticed.

MtnCreek, highlander 5 and myself would make it 3 by my count. And I stand by what I said, if you ask 650 owners what part of the primer system they dislike changing out the most, the majority would say the punches.

By your own admittance you have removed the spent primer bin holder so clearly your 30 second switch out time is not comparable to those who have not removed it. You´re comparing apples and oranges.

Nice job wasting money on 2 presses when you could have used a $25 or less solution lolololol

Your solution is to remove the spent primer bin and holder and replace it with something that gives more room. I am perfectly happy with it as it is and hate drop tubes, I have two T7s. None of your solutions appeal to me.

If some people have more discretionary income than you and can easily afford to buy a second machine to avoid their pet peeve don`t take it to heart so much :)

morrow
June 2, 2011, 10:04 AM
MtnCreek, highlander 5 and myself would make it 3 by my count. And I stand by what I said, if you ask 650 owners what part of the primer system they dislike changing out the most, the majority would say the punches.
Oh great, another bias stubborn person. Yes 3 people = the majority. Really smart man!

Your solution is to remove the spent primer bin and holder and replace it with something that gives more room. I am perfectly happy with it as it is and hate drop tubes, I have two T7s. None of your solutions appeal to me.
Looks like you don't have the ability to read either (let alone do your own research). Not all of the solutions I posted requires a full drop tube. Nice job again!

Man you guys just entertain the hell out of me. I can't believe you have the competance to handle primers and powder since you lack the ability to read and think!

lykoris
June 2, 2011, 05:43 PM
Ironically you do not appear to have the capacity to read what you wrote yourself.

Not all of the solutions I posted requires a full drop tube.

I added a spent primer tube instead. There's a few options for this.

a drop tube is a drop tube :rolleyes:

1. redundant link to an ebay seller that has nothing listed...no doubt a drop tube given your description. little adapter+tube+catch
2. a drop tube mod
3. a drop tube mod

I have never been one to argue with an idiot :)

Rollis R. Karvellis
June 3, 2011, 08:49 PM
Just to add fuel to this fire, I, to find the punch change out annoying. But I'm old, and cratchaty.

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