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sixguns4fighting
April 10, 2011, 09:08 AM
When I go home, I really want to buy a mint condition Colt New Service in .44 Special or .44-40.

It sure would be nice if Colt would start reproducing the New Service. A Fitz Special version would be great too!

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earlthegoat2
April 10, 2011, 09:27 AM
DA revolvers and Colts name on them are long gone.

Gordon
April 10, 2011, 10:12 AM
I thought so too :D
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i203/gordonhulme/practicalstuff035.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i203/gordonhulme/practicalstuff036.jpg

Old Fuff
April 10, 2011, 11:05 AM
Unless Colt's handgun business is sold to new owners with a different outlook and perspective, you won't see anymore double-action/hand ejector revolvers. :(

And if in some unexpected event new revolvers are added to the line, they won't be a reproduction of a design that goes back to 1898 or 1908.

On the other hand, New Service revolvers in .44-40 or .45 Colt are relatively common, while .44 Special's (a S&W development after all) are much harder to find.

Genuine Fitz Specials are rare birds, as they were custom made on a special order basis, and total production probably wasn't over 100 guns. Today Colt's lawyers would swoon and pass out if the idea was even suggested.

This is not to say that one can't have an aftermarket one made up by a custom 'smith. :evil:

MMCSRET
April 10, 2011, 11:40 AM
I also like the Colt DA revolvers. I have a late model NS in 45 ACP, built in 1942. Nice gun, and accurate.
If Colt were to restart DA revolvers, the Mark III design would be a good platform. They are easier to work on and are built with a lot less hand fitting. Updated with todays materiel and machining techniques I think they would give the other "guy" a run for the money.

Old Fuff
April 10, 2011, 12:06 PM
The trouble is, Colt's top brass doesn't think the way you do. If in the future they do come out with an entirely new handgun it will be a large-cap pistol with a polymer frame.

Why? because that's where the larger police/military/civilian market is. Also tooling aside, such pistols are less expensive to make, which means better profits for the manufacturer.

CraigC
April 10, 2011, 01:21 PM
I would have to find the funds if Colt resurrected the New Service and they were as good as the new SAA's. Fixed and adjustable sights, with lengths from 3" to 7". With modern metallurgy, it would easily be strong enough for the .41Mag, .44Mag and "Ruger only" .45Colt. Make them in .357Mag, .38-40, .44-40 and .45ACP too.

MMCSRET
April 10, 2011, 04:01 PM
FUFF; you're right of course, on the thought processes visible at Colt, today. Maybe a new generation will help, someday, but I'm old enough that I won't be around for it.

dnovo
April 10, 2011, 04:23 PM
Very little as sweet or as accurate as a NS Target in 44 Special/Russian (they amre usually dual marked and will shoot either round). I have an early model and a very late, 1930s NS Target in 44 and they are great guns. Too labor intensive to be resurrected today. The closeset your are going to get to guns from this era are the S&W Classic series. But even there, Smith didn't try to re- introduce their premier revolver of that era, the New Century, aka Triple Lock. I spoke to a Smith insider about that, and he said just too labor intensive and they would essentially have to be hand built and fitted.

I hamve been a NS collector (and an early Smith collector) by entire adult life. The centerpiece of my collection are these guns, including a cased set of consecutive numbered and lettered NS Targets in 455 delivered to London in 1915 as well as a 7.5" Triple Lock Target with factory pearl grips, mint and very rare. I love them and consider myself their custodian until I pass on.


Enjoy what you can find, it is a bygone era. Dave

Superfuzz
April 10, 2011, 04:40 PM
At the risk of potentially derailing, slightly, this thread.

My father recently passed and left me a 6" .45 Colt New Service in about 95% condition. What type of ammunition is safe to put through it? Never owned a pistol of this quality/age. Thank you.

Remo223
April 10, 2011, 04:46 PM
Forget about a fitz special.

I would guess even some gunsmiths would refuse to do the mods today. No one is going to bring back an old fashioned hand fitted revolver. Especially not colt. However, it might be possible for some enterprising ambitious person to set up a primitive firearm factory in pakistan or afghanistan and start churning out crude hand made copies of hundred year old colt double action revolvers. They'd probably have to have a ruger-like action to avoid the ire of colt though.

dnovo
April 10, 2011, 04:58 PM
Assuming the timing etc is good and it locks up fine, the NS is built like a tank. To be on the safe side, shoot the lower pressure 'cowboy loads'. Dave

Sam71
April 10, 2011, 05:03 PM
You can still find a pretty good deal on Colt 1917s, really a New Service in .45 acp. I have 5 of these and if you are not too picky about finish, you can get one for $500 to $600, sometimes cheaper. I picked up a .44 special & russian a couple years ago at an auction and paid (IIRC) around $800. It is in probably "very good +" condition with a 4.5" barrel. If you want a "Fitz Special" I know that Andy Horvath at the Diagonal Road Gun Shop in Ohio will build you one. He built mine on a nice old 1917 I found with no finish left (but no pits either). He does an excellent job, and a few years ago he charged about $900 to do it. That sounds expensive, but there is a lot of work that goes into the job and on reflection it is a pretty fair price.

Much as I would love to believe that someone will come out with a new New Service, it would be prohibitively expensive to duplicate it today. I mean, you can barely find a 'smith to work on one of the old ones these days. The guys that do know what they're doing are so backed up with work that they are effectively unavailable. Oops, too depressing. Good luck with your search for a nice old Colt.

ky40601
April 10, 2011, 07:56 PM
Here’s a New Service in the .455 Eley with the correct British markings. Got the correct stocks/ grips to put on it. Just haven’t got around to doing it.

Colt New Service .455 Eley (1914)
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff159/ky40601/Guns/aColtNewService455Eley1914SN69608.jpg

XxWINxX94
April 11, 2011, 08:01 PM
Why hope for a repro/replica?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=223986540
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=224401950
Heres a really neat one that was "used" by the Canadian Military:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=223420177

Lucky Derby
April 11, 2011, 08:03 PM
I thought so too :D
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i203/gordonhulme/practicalstuff035.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i203/gordonhulme/practicalstuff036.jpg
Gordon, who made those grips on your NS (1917?)? They are gorgous. And that is a beautiful old Colt I might add.

savit260
April 11, 2011, 08:09 PM
I'm more interested in where that underlug barrel came from!

earlthegoat2
April 11, 2011, 08:40 PM
Assuming the timing etc is good and it locks up fine, the NS is built like a tank. To be on the safe side, shoot the lower pressure 'cowboy loads'.

Built like a tank but only shoot light loads?:scrutiny:

Old Fuff
April 11, 2011, 09:33 PM
Built like a tank but only shoot light loads?

Excluding some chambered in .357 Magnum, the cylinders were not made from special high carbon steel with a double heat treating process. Other revolver cartridges of the time were what we might call "standard loads" which CAS loads approximate.

It is not easy to blow up a New Service, but a cylinder with expanded chambers caused by shooting overloads is still ruined.

Common sense should apply...

Lucky Derby
April 11, 2011, 09:43 PM
I'm more interested in where that underlug barrel came from!
How did I miss that?! I guess I was to busy looking at the grips.

CraigC
April 11, 2011, 10:32 PM
Why hope for a repro/replica?
Because some of us would rather spend our thousand dollars or more for a sixgun that doesn't look like it has been dragged behind a truck for ten miles or refinished several times. Target models are typically quite expensive. Might also like a little more latitude in our load selection. Don't wanna relegate a sixgun the size of a Redhawk to mousefart loads.

earlthegoat2
April 12, 2011, 06:49 AM
Yes, I can see where you would not want to put any "Ruger Only" loads or any other hot handloads but any factory ammunition that is not otherwise noted will be fine.

Sigh,

such as the Cowboy loads that manufacturers offer.:o

sixguns4fighting
April 12, 2011, 08:38 AM
The so called "cowboy loads" are light target loads and they're produced so that competitors can get faster time on their scores.

They are NOT "standard loads".

The standard loads, to include blackpowder loads, in .45 Colt, .44 Special, and .44/40 are nothing to sneer at. They are large, heavy, man-killing rounds that have been getting the job done for over a century.

Gordon
April 12, 2011, 10:10 AM
Fishpaw French walnut grips. Douglas Airgauged 4" bull barrel with machined ball detent lock underlug, dovetailed front gold Patridge sight sighted to 25 yards with GI ball ammo. action blueprinted with new parts where necessary. All work done by Cylinder and Slide 18 years ago. THEN went to Colt for Banknote engraving and Royal blue. Cost around $2500 in the process started 20 years ago on a $400 sound but worn 1917.

BrocLuno
April 12, 2011, 02:15 PM
Yeah, but it's pretty and very cool :)

Remo223
April 14, 2011, 12:12 PM
Gordon, who made those grips on your NS (1917?)? They are gorgous. And that is a beautiful old Colt I might add.
That is one of the most impressive revolvers I've ever seen...and I'm not easily impressed. vented ribs and underlugs do absolutely nothing for me. Is that cylinder factory stock? It looks like the cylinder notches have elongated ramps. The grips aren't ideal shape for my tastes but they are close. I would've made the butt of the grips a little smaller.

Thanks for posting that pic.

CraigC
April 14, 2011, 02:07 PM
First time I ever heard somebody critique Fishpaw grips. :rolleyes:

Remo223
April 14, 2011, 02:13 PM
First time?? I guess you don't talk to the right people.

I make my own grips. Looks are secondary to function. You can keep your store bought glitter.

Jim K
April 14, 2011, 02:26 PM
Hi, sixguns,

A NS in good condition in .44-40 can be found without too much trouble, just keep checking gun shows and the auction sites. A mint condition one? A lot less likely and a LOT more expensive. Lower your sights a bit and maybe one will come your way.

(Besides, do you really want a mint revolver to shoot? Put a box of ammo through it and your $2000 gun becomes a $1500 gun.)

Jim

CraigC
April 14, 2011, 02:43 PM
Storebought glitter??? You really don't know who Roy Fishpaw is, do you?

Gordon
April 14, 2011, 07:18 PM
Those are his Roper style combat grips.

Sam71
April 14, 2011, 09:14 PM
Should you bulge one. An outfit in Florida, Florida Arms Manufacturing Co. (FAMCO) will make any SAMMI spec cylinder you like. Starting price is $500, so you'd better really want one. But if you have to get a damaged New Service up and running, its an option.When last I looked at their website, they had some New Service cylinders in stock, in .45 Colt and .45acp, IIRC. You might also just haunt the parts dealers at gunshows. Over the years I've picked up a (looks like) brand new unmounted late model 4.5" .44 spl New Service barrel and a very good+ .44 spl cylinder/yoke, assembly (unfortunately nickeled). There are parts out there, but they are getting pretty rare.

sixguns4fighting
April 14, 2011, 11:55 PM
Florida Arms Manufacturing Co. (FAMCO) will make any SAMMI spec cylinder you like. Starting price is $500,

Most excellent!

I am likely going this route.

788Ham
April 15, 2011, 12:36 AM
Beautiful piece Gordon, the engraving is VERY nice! You do know your firearms my man. Be safe.

demne
October 22, 2013, 11:02 PM
Old post I know but I just got a similar Colt New Service (1915) as ky40601, mine has a what I thought was some custom nickle plating & grips.
I don't think mine has been fired a whole lot.

http://itsabachelorslife.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2013/10/22/20131022195139-50e262fc-me.jpg

golden
October 23, 2013, 04:49 AM
I do not think COLT will ever bring back a NEW SERVICE. Like the mid size OFFICIAL POLICE and PYTHON and the small frame DETECTIVE SPECIAL, they were expensive to make because of the old style action.

COLT did make the ANACONDA and the PYTHON was the last double action revolver they made if I am not mistaken.

In the mid 1990's, they brought out a line of small frame 6 shot revolvers and then discontinued them. If they bring out a new double action, it will have the same action as the MK V and ANACONDA revolvers. The development work is already paid for and at least on the MK V and DSII line, I have not heard any thing bad.

They will only make what they can sell and make a profit selling.

Jim

Jim K
October 23, 2013, 07:13 PM
In the post-WWII period, especially after the army adopted the M16, Colt effectively kissed off the commercial firearms market. The market, in turn, turned its attention elsewhere, while Colt's ever more expensive products sat on the shelves. Not wanting to sink funds into the civilian market when the police/military side was booming, they left some promising revolver designs to wither away. Their AA2000 pistol was a disaster, and other companies made their SA and 1911 designs as well or better than Colt.

I expect that they will continue to putter along for a while, showing some sign of life every so often, then quietly die away.

Jim

Paul7
October 23, 2013, 07:21 PM
In the post-WWII period, especially after the army adopted the M16, Colt effectively kissed off the commercial firearms market. The market, in turn, turned its attention elsewhere, while Colt's ever more expensive products sat on the shelves. Not wanting to sink funds into the civilian market when the police/military side was booming, they left some promising revolver designs to wither away. Their AA2000 pistol was a disaster, and other companies made their SA and 1911 designs as well or better than Colt.

I expect that they will continue to putter along for a while, showing some sign of life every so often, then quietly die away.

Jim
The SAA, possibly, but Colt 1911s are very well made these days and in high demand. One of the better mid-level 1911s.

CraigC
October 23, 2013, 07:33 PM
Doubt they'll ever get back into DA's but Colt is putting out a very good SAA and New Frontier at present. Vastly improved over previous 3rd generation guns.

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