putting flyers over "gun free zone" signs at school?


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ctrs
April 10, 2011, 02:24 PM
One of my buddies lives in a college dorm that has a "No firearms allowed" sign posted right outside the entrance.

He's thinking about printing out a flyer that says "Attention criminals: This venue has been legally disarmed for your convenience. Don't expect anyone to resist with deadly force should you rob this place." (perhaps with a URL to the SCCC website) and placing it right below the sign.

Is this a good idea? Or could my friend get in trouble for this? This is in California, by the way.

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JoeMal
April 10, 2011, 02:26 PM
I would think, at least, he could be charged with vandalizing or defacing. I'm no lawyer though

BeerSleeper
April 10, 2011, 03:15 PM
In **********, trouble gets into you.

Shadow 7D
April 10, 2011, 03:25 PM
Do a little stick figure robbery sign in a circle (no slash)
and put Victim Disarmament Zone

leave it at that. too much, not tasteful could get you in trouble, a little, you get told to take it down.

hso
April 10, 2011, 03:34 PM
May be, maybe not.

brickeyee
April 10, 2011, 03:54 PM
Make sure he has bail money available.

Either on himself or held by a god friend.

He may beat a charge, but is liable to take a ride.

dprice3844444
April 10, 2011, 04:06 PM
make a nice lil sign and attach it below the other one with ge silicone

dprice3844444
April 10, 2011, 04:17 PM
or ge silicone 4 lil round magnets to the wall and attach 4 magnets to the poster

dprice3844444
April 10, 2011, 04:18 PM
t shirts will work also

Mr.Davis
April 10, 2011, 04:44 PM
Don't cover the no gun sign, put yours next to it. People probably never notice the no gun sign, so putting yours beside it will have a greater impact.

SCCC has some great, professional-looking posters on their website you can use.

ctrs
April 10, 2011, 05:21 PM
My friend wasn't planning to cover up the sign; like Mr.Davis said, he only wants to put the flyer below it. I imagine it's hard to get charged for vandalism for doing that.

cleardiddion
April 10, 2011, 05:56 PM
You'd be surprised how easily and to what extent campuses will freak right out.
A couple years back a few kids painted the confederate flag with the words 'southern pride' on our 'spirt rock' in the middle of campus (which everyone can and does paint on for various things). The students were brought up on charges and 2 out of 3 were expelled.

Double Naught Spy
April 10, 2011, 07:06 PM
He's thinking about printing out a flyer that says "Attention criminals: This venue has been legally disarmed for your convenience. Don't expect anyone to resist with deadly force should you rob this place." (perhaps with a URL to the SCCC website) and placing it right below the sign.

Is this a good idea? Or could my friend get in trouble for this? This is in California, by the way.

Sounds like a pretty stupid idea to me. Then again, the "friend" wanting to put up the sign is the same one who attends the school where the sign is posted, right?

Just what benefit does the "friend" think this sign will serve? If the friend believes the sign to be true, then the friend is an idiotic for posting it where s/he lives.

The friend also apparently believes that being "armed" only pertains to having a gun and that lethal force is only exerted with a gun. The friend also probably believes s/he is defenseless without a gun as well.

ctrs
April 10, 2011, 07:18 PM
I just showed Joe this thread and he agrees that it's probably not the best idea at the moment. He decided that he wasn't going to risk his academic career as he is very close to graduating.

Thanks for the input, everyone.

JoeMal
April 10, 2011, 07:53 PM
I just showed Joe this thread and he agrees that it's probably not the best idea at the moment. He decided that he wasn't going to risk his academic career as he is very close to graduating.Find a freshman. Have them do it

Mr.Davis
April 10, 2011, 08:18 PM
If anyone in this thread wants to do something about carry on campus, join Students for Concealed Carry on Campus. If your school doesn't have a chapter, you can start one easily.

archigos
April 10, 2011, 08:24 PM
I've done it.
I wish I still had the design, but it attracted quite a bit of attention. After about a week, I got a call on my cell phone from the Dean of Students asking me if it was me that had been putting up the signs. I told him "yes" and he asked to meet with me. The next day, I got an email from the [acting] Chief of Public Safety, also asking me to meet with me. According to him, Public Safety had been "dedicating their entire staff the entire week to finding who was putting up the signs".
Nothing wound up ever coming of it; I didn't get in trouble other than having to attend those two meetings, but I suspect that might be because I had worked extensively with the Dean of Students previously, as well as that by the time I was a senior, the administration had gained some respect for my abilities to win battles they started.

whalerman
April 10, 2011, 08:32 PM
Sir, please tell us what was said in those meetings. I'd be very interested in knowing what their response was to your actions.

archigos
April 10, 2011, 11:04 PM
The posters I used were copied and modified from one I found online saying "Attention Criminals: This is a GUN-FREE ZONE. All law-abiding students, faculty, and staff at this institution have been disarmed for your convenience."

To be honest, my recollection is somewhat rough - it was a couple years ago. However, I do remember that in my meeting with the Dean of Students he was adamant that I stop posting these signs because they were posted "against the sign guidelines". The school had very strict sign guidelines regarding where signs could be posted and that they needed to have contact info on them. My argument was that I posted them immediately next to public safety notices that also lacked contact information, and that these, too, were a public safety notice. He inquired as to my reasoning for posting these, and I explained that the reason I posted the signs is because the President of the college had decreed that the administration would not issue the documentation required for CCW-licensed students, faculty, and staff to legally carry on the campus. He indicated that he would be interested to see what happened if I formally requested such documentation, but I never had the opportunity as I finished my degree shortly afterward. I agreed that I'd stop posting signs against the sign guidelines.

In my meeting with public safety, as I mentioned before, they claimed that they had been "dedicating all their resources for the past week to finding out who was posting the signs." (I thought - if it took all their resources for a full week to figure out who was posting signs, then God forbid they try to figure out what to do if there was a serious situation on campus and they're not even allowed to carry guns themselves.) They claimed that they were worried that it "might be a threat" as one of the professors had received an unrelated death threat shortly before I started posting those signs. They were "relieved" to figure out that it was just activism. I had a brief discussion with the guy about the fact that with all the recent shootings (especially since I went to an engineering school) its ridiculous that the only people allowed to defend themselves on the campus are criminals. His response was something to the extent of "I can't disagree with you..." but he didn't seem to want to say much more... I suspect it was because the administration is known to come down pretty hard on faculty and staff dissenters.

All in all, I had no penalty (though I technically did violate the sign guidelines - which have helped earn the school a red rating with FIRE (http://thefire.org/spotlight/codes/1106.html)). They just were happy to know who was doing it and have me stop I guess.

ants
April 10, 2011, 11:06 PM
Sometimes we can do things so butt stupid,
it only reinforces the world's view that gun owners are butt stupid.


Why not do something constructive and intelligent.

Mr. Davis suggests starting or joining an SCCC chapter.
Distribute educational posters and flyers.
Start a safety escort service to walk students to/from that same dorm at night.
Start a 'neighborhood watch' around the dorms.
And use each of those opportunities to spread the word.
Lots of constructive and intelligent things to do.
You don't have to put up a parody flyer satirically inviting robbery where students live.

archigos
April 10, 2011, 11:27 PM
I work peripherally with politics. Stunts to get attention can be terrifically helpful to your cause if you pull them off right. And I'd contend that mine did - I got a lot of discussions going that way. That week and a few after, I heard a lot of fairly intelligent discussions around the issue between people just sitting in other areas of classrooms, etc.

buzzg
April 10, 2011, 11:43 PM
So called "gun free zones" are nothing more than an invitation to criminals, would be mass shooters, etc.. A gun free zone is nothing more than an advertisement that the individuals inside the boundaries of the zone are helpless.

My own personal position on this issue is that those who desire to designate schools, playgrounds, shopping malls and such as "gun free zones" should also place signs on their front lawns declaring that their homes and property are "gun free zones". That should soon clear up the problem.

NUF SED

quatin
April 13, 2011, 10:24 AM
You need permission to put up flyers on campus, unless it's a bulletin board. I would ask the student affairs office to refer you to the right people to put this up.

68wj
April 13, 2011, 12:20 PM
That would be low road. Leave immature stunts like that to the lefties.

Use a photo of the sign in a well written editorial for the campus and local newspaper articulating the ideas that inspired the would-be "prank". If it is published, it will get the attention it needs without furthering negative stereotypes for RTKBA proponents. If it isn't published, utilize whatever social media is prevalent in your area. $.02

brickeyee
April 13, 2011, 01:41 PM
"I imagine it's hard to get charged for vandalism for doing that."

Doubtful.

You defaced public property.

FIVETWOSEVEN
April 13, 2011, 06:47 PM
That would be low road. Leave immature stunts like that to the lefties.

Use a photo of the sign in a well written editorial for the campus and local newspaper articulating the ideas that inspired the would-be "prank". If it is published, it will get the attention it needs without furthering negative stereotypes for RTKBA proponents. If it isn't published, utilize whatever social media is prevalent in your area. $.02

This is the truth that is being posted, not something about "assault clips" that make everyone a target. Common sense is nice to have.

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