Beretta Bobcat in .22LR or .25ACP


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tercel89
April 12, 2011, 12:46 PM
I am wanting a "just for the hell of it " gun . I cant decide on the .22LR or the .25ACP cartridge for the Beretta Bobcat .
I am trying to find out opinions on the reliability and feeding of the cartridges . I am not worried about "stopping power" . Just reliability and feeding the ammo correctly .
Also I am not concerned with the price of the 2 different ammo . Just what is reliable in your opinion ?

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docnyt
April 12, 2011, 01:09 PM
22 LR is cheaper and easier to find in my neck of the woods, if that helps.

MICHAEL T
April 12, 2011, 01:26 PM
I have 2 of the 22's Beretta's My daughters and I shot them a lot. I have 3 of the 25auto Beretta's their not shot as much because of ammo prices.

Get the 22

tercel89
April 12, 2011, 01:42 PM
Michael T , how is the reliability in the .22LR ?

redbullitt
April 12, 2011, 02:38 PM
25 auto is kinda expensive for what it is IMHO.

If you go with high end 22 LR reliability can be pretty good. For example, I have used the upper end Federal and CCI rounds and had great luck, but the bulk pack stuff can be a good bit dicier.

oblakmd
April 12, 2011, 10:35 PM
I am looking into the .25 just for something unique.

MICHAEL T
April 12, 2011, 11:46 PM
The last brick we fired was CCI standard velocity lead We had 1 dud round that fired 2nd strike. We split the brick between the pistols and they both have gone 250 rounds with out a cleaning or wipe down . Only thing i did to them was by hand polished lightly the feed ramp . Just a few passes. I had heard all these stories about had to clean every 30 or 50 rounds or jams all the time . Sorry I have 2 bought bought in Jan. this year and I haven't had that problem . with the stander or the mini mags . I don't shoot the milk carton bulk . My other 22's rifles had to many problems with it

I live in country so we shoot any time we want . Girls has some friends over on day and I had 5 girls shoot and loading . brick went fast But they had a ball . Not one jam with 5 14 to 17 year old girls shooting .
I think their great pistols . My 25 auto are 2 950BS and 1 model 20.Thats forerunner of the 21 .

Clark
April 13, 2011, 01:57 AM
The 25acp and 22LR are about equal with factory ammo.
But with hot handloads, the 25acp can penetrate many times as deep in newspaper or wood.

I could see how my Beretta 25acp was designed right, so I could start the work up a very high already load.

bigfatdave
April 13, 2011, 05:58 AM
If ammo cost isn't a concern, availability can be. There is a much greater selection of .22lr out there to try compared to .25acp.

Pilot
April 13, 2011, 08:06 AM
My Bobcat in .22LR is 100% reliable with CCI Minimags and Stingers.

Pete D.
April 13, 2011, 08:13 AM
Amazing how we all have different experiences. I gave my .22 Bobcat away because I could never get it to run on any ammo that I tried....and I have to have tried a dozen types.
My little .25 Bernardellli has never malfunctioned but there's no denying that it costs more to feed.
Pete
PS - Interestingly - from the Beretta 21a users guide: "Standard velocity rounds will typically function more efficiently than higher velocity rounds and with less wear to the weapon".

That was not my experience. Most success seems to have been with rounds like Stingers.
P

PRM
April 13, 2011, 08:37 AM
I love my little Beretta Model 21 in .22. Its a great little range gun the won't break the bank. Mine does seem to like the hotter rounds ~ but I've had reliable results with Walmart bulk and usually shoot that when I'm just plinking.

I voted .22 solely based on cost. Some years back I owned a Beretta Jetfire in .25. It also was a good shooter.


Lots of folks are going to weigh in on the center fire VS rim fire reliability debate. I grew up shooting and hunting with .22(s) and will just say I have never experienced any of the issues some people post. I grew up in a rural farming community ~ there were more .22(s) around than any other caliber. Most farmers in the 60s-70s had a gun rack in their pick-up with a 22 rifle on it.


Guess it comes down to what you want.

RidgwayCO
April 13, 2011, 10:10 AM
Years ago I had a little Bobcat in .22LR that was a jam-o-matic. When I sent it to Beretta for them to fix, they polished the chamber and sent it back. After the fix it was a 100% shooter with everything I tried. As I remember, CCI Stingers performed the best, giving the best energy out of that short barrel.

BossHogg
April 13, 2011, 11:40 AM
Lotta love Mini-Mag and 22 Bobcat.

usp9
April 13, 2011, 12:37 PM
If reliability is a main issue then I'd alway choose the centerfire .25acp over .22lr., plus it has more umph than the .22.

VA27
April 13, 2011, 11:07 PM
I've had 3 different Bobcats and none of them would shoot to the sights. I've had way better luck with the 950. I'd go with a 950 in .25. Or look around for a Model 20. It's DA in 25ACP only, but it's the same size as the 950 (considerably smaller than the 21).

makarovnik
April 14, 2011, 04:38 AM
.25 acp.

rklessdriver
April 14, 2011, 11:49 AM
I have 2 of the .22's. One with the blue finish and wood girps and one with the parkerized finish and plastic grips. Both of mine are reliable when they are clean and fed ammo they like. I like both of them and have a blast at the range with them.

I bought both of mine used (with a steep discount) from people who said that they were the most horrible jamming POS gun they have ever owned... After a good cleaning and one trip to the range with a good selection of ammo, I had them both running perfectly.

Both of mine like Federal 550 Bulk for general shooting. The blued one is less finikey about other ammo and does OK on about anything but Remington Golden bullets. The parked one only likes the Federal bulk and CCI mini mags or Stingers.
Will

chicharrones
April 14, 2011, 11:56 AM
I've owned my Bobcat .22LR for nearly two decades. When clean and filled with the right ammo, it will shoot 50 to 70 rounds before the chamber needs to be cleaned due to extraction issues.

So if you get one of these little extractor-less pistols, either make the shooting sessions short or carry a cleaning brush and oil with you.

They are fun pistols when they run well. :)

jame
April 14, 2011, 10:49 PM
I have the .22, and it runs great when I shoot Stingers. The only problems I've had since I started with the hot ammo have been traced to bad mag springs or lack of cleaning.

Otherwise, mine's great.

heeler
April 14, 2011, 11:04 PM
I voted the .25 ACP because my brother owns the .22 version and it has been a bona fide jamomatic.
On the other hand as expensive as .25 ACP ammo is if I knew the .22 I was looking at was a good as some others have said the ones they own are then the .22 it would be.

gordy
April 15, 2011, 04:30 PM
I have three 25 auto's and can find no reason to have on over a 22.

tercel89
April 15, 2011, 05:24 PM
Does anyone have a pic of what the firing pin looks like on the the Bobcat in .22LR and the breech face ? I sure would appreciate it ;)
I am down to the nitty gritty on getting the Bobcat in .22lr .

Geckgo
April 15, 2011, 05:38 PM
Poll was easy, 22LR if I were going to buy a bobcat, a Pheonix Arms, or any other cheap, tiny plinking pistol, for all of the obvious reasons.

IMHO, .25 is probably a little more reliable, .22 bulk ammo is going to give you some duds and what not that don't go bang on the first strike. But for that little tiny thing, who cares?

I have seen a youtube video of a Bobcat test where a couple of brands of low quality bulk ammo turned the guy's gun into a jam-mo-matic, but if you are ready to pay for .25 ACP ammo, I'm sure you can find reliable .22 feeders that go bang every time and still save vs. the .25. Just my thoughts, If I wanted a "for the hell of it" gun, I would want to put lots of rounds through it.

benEzra
April 16, 2011, 05:19 PM
For a carry gun, .25 ACP is theoretically a bit more reliable than .22LR. For a gun that will be shot a lot, .22LR is vastly cheaper per round and offers a greater variety of loads. I'd probably pick the .22LR myself.

harqueb.us
April 17, 2011, 08:09 PM
If you're getting it just for the heck of it, go with the .25 ACP and reload. It's the smallest reloadable round around! A can of powder will last years!

Ala Dan
April 17, 2011, 08:18 PM
If this is your choice, definitely the .22 LR. With todays hyper-velocity ammo,
its deadlier than a coiled snake~! :uhoh: ;)

sigma 40ve
April 17, 2011, 08:39 PM
Gotta love my 21 with Stingers. For that matter it has been 100% with everything I have ran thru it, bulk and all.

Hondo 60
April 17, 2011, 08:46 PM
it has been 100% with everything I have ran thru it, bulk and all.

I wish I had the same results as sigma 40ve ^^^^^^^

For too long I was buying the expensive CCI Stingers (nothing else would shoot a full mag w/o a jam of some sort).
But I found Fiocchi 40 High Velocity!!!!!
$2.69 at my LGS, instead of $6 or $7 for the Stingers.

I can shoot about 100 rounds before it starts giving me FTEs.
(a quick cleaning & it's back in business)

By the way I also have a Colt 1908 Hammerless in 25.ACP
The ammo is scare in my area & expensive -
$20/box of 50 locally in the one place I found any.
$13.99 at MidwayUSA, but then you have to add shipping.

For the minimal gain of a .25 acp over a 22lr, the cost is just not worth it.

kozak6
April 17, 2011, 09:53 PM
Theoretically, a centerfire should have more reliable ignition than a rimfire.

With good quality ammo, I don't know how much it really matters.

.22 lr is ridiculously cheaper than .25 acp, so that really should be a concern. .22 lr is also widely availible.

RevDerb
April 18, 2011, 07:37 AM
I have a 950 .25acp and it has performed flawlessly. Won't ever put enough rounds through it to be concerned about cost of ammo.

Br
April 18, 2011, 10:17 AM
I used to have the .22LR Beretta and I regret letting it go. I'd go with that one (again).

augustino
April 18, 2011, 10:48 PM
I recently acquired a Beretta model 418 - 25ACP at the local pawn shop. It caught my eye because it has a safety built into the grip exactly like a 1911 only smaller, a lot smaller. It also has a swing away safety on the frame. It's an older pistol having been made in 1954 or 56, somewhere in the early 50's but it's a great shooter. Haven't had any jams yet although I've only put about 50 rounds through it. So I guess I really can't talk about jamming issues.

But I still want to get a 22LR because they're so much cheaper to shoot. As for lethality, well neither is considered a man stopper but i've heard some swear the 22LR is far more effective. Any opinions on lethality of the 22 vs 25???

Pete D.
April 19, 2011, 07:41 AM
i've heard some swear the 22LR is far more effective. Any opinions on lethality of the 22 vs 25???

Well.....I wouldn't want to get shot by either one, regardless.
I, also, have heard that business about the .22 being more lethal. I place that in the same category as alligators in the NYC sewer system.
A couple of years ago, owning both a .22 with a two inch barrel and a .25 ACP pistol with a two inch barrel, I chrono'd them both.
Using factory SV .22s (more about that in a moment) and factory .25s, the .25 ACP came out about ten percent ahead on ME (neither is a powerhouse....65ftlbs for the .25 vs. 60 for the .22). The .22 had the edge in velocity but the .25 shoots a heavier, fatter, bullet. The little .25 can be handloaded to produce over 80 ft.lbs.
How does that translate into lethality? Dunno.
I have had the intention to chrono some HV and UHV .22s from that little .22 pistol - but have not yet done that. From what I understand, though, the Stingers and such are optimized for use in a rifle. I wonder how much efficiency is lost in a very short barrel.
Pete

chicharrones
April 19, 2011, 09:37 AM
From what I understand, though, the Stingers and such are optimized for use in a rifle. I wonder how much efficiency is lost in a very short barrel.

Quite a bit considering the fireball coming out the barrel. CCI's specs for Stingers are around 1640 fps out of a rifle. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=594994

Over at GoldenLoki's gel tests, there are results of the Stingers (and other ammo) coming out of the Beretta's cousin, the Taurus PT22. Stinger muzzle velocity is down to 1001 fps and the Taurus' barrel is nearly 3/8" longer than the Bobcat. http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/22lr/gel22lr.htm

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