20-20 winchester rifle


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bangaway
April 12, 2011, 01:48 PM
20-20 winchester rifle

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I have a friend whose dad had a .20-20 single shot bolt action winchester rifle. The dad got into drugs and sold the rifle. My friend was five years old then. He wants a 20-20 now. His mom says it was a centerfire. At a gun show here it took four guys six hours to find this gun in books. It was made in the 1910's in single shot and later a repeater. Most expensive value for the single shot was listed as $2500 . My friend did not notice the model number nor what book the info was in. My Cartridges of the World Book, Flayderman's, or Catalog of Firearms show nothing. I would appreciate any help on the 20-20 rifle. I only have a 5mm rimfire in a .20 cal rifle. Maybe I need a .20-20 rifle. I know I do not have one.

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rcmodel
April 12, 2011, 04:14 PM
Somebodys memory is playing tricks on them.
There was never such an animal as a 20-20 rifle made by Winchester, or anyone else.
Nobody ever made .20 cal rifles in the black powder era.

Since it was a single-shot bolt-action, I'm betting it was a simple .22 RF in either .22 Short, .22 Long, .22 LR, or .22 Extra Long.

At any rate, it wasn't a 20-20 I betcha.
And it wouldn't matter if it was, because you sure as heck are not going to find any ammo to shoot it, cause they never ever made any.

rc

ACORN
April 12, 2011, 04:22 PM
Maybe a .32-20 or a .25-20 but I never heard of a .20-20.

rcmodel
April 12, 2011, 04:31 PM
Winchester never made any single-shot bolt actions in any centerfire caliber as far as I and my history of Winchester books can tell.

The closest thing would have been the Model 43 bolt-action repeater, made from 1949 - 1957 in .22 Hornet, .218 Bee, 25-20 WCF, and 32-20 WCF.

rc

k7grc
April 12, 2011, 05:05 PM
This is the only winchester that I know of that comes close.
Winchester 1885, .25-20 Single Shot., Low Wall Rifle

bangaway
April 13, 2011, 02:53 PM
I have not heard of a .20-20 either. Then I never heard of a 32 gauge shotgun in an 1886 winchester. Barnes in Cartridges of the World says so. I keep an open mind. They made .17 cal. black powder smokepoles so a .20 cal cartridge is possible. ...we are always playing with something. The man did say people found it in a book at a gun show just lately. Maybe he is pulling my leg but any help will be appreciated.

bangaway
April 13, 2011, 02:57 PM
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There is a Winchester collector near here and maybe he knows something about .20-20. Keep you posted.

rcmodel
April 13, 2011, 03:05 PM
Lets think about this for a moment.

A .20 caliber cartridge, holding 20 grains of black powder (IE: 20-20) , would have to be about 5 inches long!!!

rc

Jim Watson
April 13, 2011, 07:48 PM
At a gun show here it took four guys six hours to find this gun in books...My friend did not notice the model number nor what book the info was in.

If I had been the benficiary of so much free expert assistance, I would have paid better attention.

But I doubt the very existence of a .20-20 cartridge or rifle.
A faulty memory is more likely than a gun of that hypothetical caliber.

zoom6zoom
April 13, 2011, 08:38 PM
He's probably just misremembering .30-30.

Jim Watson
April 13, 2011, 11:46 PM
Could be. My late uncle made it to age 97 firmly convinced that the Springfield he carried on Corregidor (between the wars) was a .30-30.

rcmodel
April 14, 2011, 01:21 PM
He's probably just misremembering .30-30.The fact remains that Winchester never ever sold a single-shot bolt-action center-fire rifle.
Let alone one in 30-30 WCF.

In the early 1900's Winchester was making the 1885 High-Wall and Low-wall single-shot rifles in 40+ centerfire calibers.
None of which was a 20-20 WCF.

Making a single-shot bolt-action centerfire to compete with themselves would have been a very bad business decision.

rc

bangaway
April 14, 2011, 01:45 PM
I agree with you remodel that a five inch .20-20 shell does not exist. How about something like a .25-20 necked down? It is beginning to look like a bad memory is true. I bet a .20 cal. mold is not happening either.

rcmodel
April 14, 2011, 02:22 PM
The 25-20 WCF was necked down to make the .218 Bee, which uses .224" bullets.
But not in 1906, and never in .20 caliber.

The black-powder .22 WCF was the parent case for the .22 Hornet, but not until the 1920's.

Again, 1906 was black-powder and semi-smokless powder days.
A sub-.22 bore holding 20 grains of dirty powder would have been badly fouled after just a very few shots.

rc

hirundo82
April 14, 2011, 09:08 PM
The fact remains that Winchester never ever sold a single-shot bolt-action center-fire rifle.
Let alone one in 30-30 WCF.

I think the most likely explanation is that it was some other manufacturer's rifle in .30-30 Winchester (or maybe .32-20 or .25-20), and that got changed in the retelling to a Winchester in ".20-20".

Dr.Rob
April 14, 2011, 09:53 PM
Husqvarna made a number of single shot bolt actions in 32-20 Winchester.

Maybe that's the source of the confusion?

Jim NE
April 25, 2011, 04:13 PM
I think the most likely explanation is that it was some other manufacturer's rifle in .30-30 Winchester (or maybe .32-20 or .25-20), and that got changed in the retelling to a Winchester in ".20-20".

Wow...it's kinda cool to see the actual genesis of an urban myth!

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