Does anyone know where I could find some Ruger-load data for a 390-400gr bullet for .45 Colt? Preferably H-110 or 296, Lil Gun would work. I've searched around and found some second-hand data, but never an actual source.
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April 13, 2011, 06:44 PM
What are you hoping to gain with such a heavy bullet? You can't drive them fast enough to even match the performance you get with 335's and 360's.
April 13, 2011, 07:01 PM
I've been contemplating getting a .475 Linebaugh, and looking at the load data and what members have said on boards, it looks like a lot of people practice with a load in the neighborhood of 400gr ~900-1000 fps. I've seen a little mention that suggested a max load of H110 in .45 Colt could get a 400gr to move around 1000fps. Seemed like an easy way to approximate that level of recoil and see how those .475 "plinkers" might feel without having to seek out someone with a .475 to borrow. Just want to try it before I spend the money as I'm hoping to buy a Freedom Arms revolver this summer, but haven't made up my mind on caliber, anything from .357 magnum 97 or a .45 Colt 97 or a .475 83.
April 13, 2011, 07:04 PM
Yikes. That is an ambitious bullet weight for .45 Colt. If you find some reliable load data, that's good. But if it were me trying to come up with the load on my own, I would use IMR 4227 powder and figure out exactly how much of it would be required to reach 100% capacity without compressing the powder. I say that because I know slightly compressed loads of 4227 are safe with 335 and 360 cast bullets. So if you were just below compressing it with a 400 gr bullet, it would also be safe. I would pick 4227 because it's not as sensitive to reduced loads as 296 is. It is just a more friendly powder to play with on your own. The finanl performance you get from 4227 will be almost as high as you can get from 296. I just don't l ike Lil Gun for anything anymore.
April 13, 2011, 07:13 PM
18.0 gr H110 1,100 fps WLP guest
That comes from handloads.com. Unconfirmed, no sources. No way in hell I would load it, but it is what it is. I never load more than a 300gr in my Ruger only 45colts. Plenty of wallop for me.
Forgot to add, if it were me, and I were going to try such a thing, I would use 2400 instead.
April 13, 2011, 07:50 PM
I think I have seen the 18.0 gr H110 load before as well. I'm not entirely sure of its origin, but I think at one point I saw that it was provided by Cast Performance Bullets for their 395gr bullet. I would still be skeptical of that. I have some 325 gr CPBs somewhere, and I remember the data it came with was just a little square of paper with some data on it that looked like someone wrote it with a typewriter. I have no reason to doubt its validity, but the presentation was not reassuring to me.
April 13, 2011, 11:41 PM
You need to trade up to a .50 caliber gun. Stop playing around with that wimpy stuff.
April 14, 2011, 01:24 AM
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I have shot 40 gr H110 with a hard cast 405 gr .458" bullet in a 45 Colt case with large rifle primer in a break action OEM Stevens .410 single shot shotgun.
The OAL is 2.1" and would not fit in a 1.77" long 454 cylinder.
The chamber walls are .271" thick in the 410, and although the steel Ruger uses in a 454 is twice as strong, at 260ksi, it is not half as thick, and so might split the cylinder on a 454.
April 14, 2011, 11:32 AM
There's really no way to approximate a .475's recoil. Particularly if you're talking about heavy loads pushing a 430gr to 1350fps. I would suggest sticking to Hodgdon's 335gr and 360gr data, working up to their published maximums. Then at least you'll have some bullets on hand and experience you can actually use. If you can handle those, you can handle the .475 but nothing says you have to run it full bore all the time, if at all. I would suggest getting your .475 if that's what you want and run heavy bullets at moderate velocities, 1000-1200fps. It's still a bigger hammer and another couple hundred feet per second ain't gonna make a big critter any deader but it will beat you up.
April 14, 2011, 02:28 PM
Craig, I don't think I worded it very well, but I was trying to approximate a .475 plinking load of about 400gr at 1000fps because that's what I would be shooting about 95% of the time with it. I believe a max .45 Colt load can get in that neighborhood, and with similar gun weight, it would give me an idea of what it feels like and how long range sessions could be. I may need to just call up Beartooh or CPB though if it is a venture I want to continue with. I have shot lots of heavy .45 Colt 300 gr and a few 325gr before and don't mind it that much, but I think velocity determines the particular "feel" of recoil as much as the actual momentum being produced. Sort of how a .357 magnum and a .45ACP can generate the same amount of recoil energy, but the feeling is much different (at least to me).
As I briefly mentioned, the duration of the range session is one thing I'm curious about. A Freedom Arms would be the nicest gun in my collection, so I would like to be able to use it and shoot it a lot. A .475 is not particularly conducive to that, but at the same time, it has a real appeal to me, and I already have a .357 and .45 Colt, both of which I like a great deal, so the idea of going to a FA in one of those calibers wouldn't really provide a huge leap in enjoyment at the range for me. Guess I could always sell one though, and it would be one less caliber to reload if I stuck with the same calibers.
April 14, 2011, 06:47 PM
eldon519, i don't like to give out ruger-only load data that i have worked up. that said, a cast performance 395gn wlngc bullet over 18.0gn h110, cci350 primer and a heavy crimp cronographs out of my ruger bh 4 5/8" at 980fps. note: this is RUGER ONLY!!! this load will fit a blackhawk when crimped in the crimp groove. not much room left in the cylinder, so use a heavy crimp. i would start below 18 grains and work up. wouldn't go much past 1000fps with this bullet. fwiw
April 14, 2011, 09:01 PM
I did a quick check at Reloadersnest site, and they had a VVN110 load that matches your requirements for bullet and velocity. VihtaVuori does make some fine powders.