HK's aren't for everyone I guess


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Darebear
April 14, 2011, 10:37 PM
I just recently purchased a HK45c to play big brother to my P2000 9mm. After ONE day at the range the P2000 is now destined to be a safe queen... Long story short... after a year of shooting the P2000 I still am not mastering the trigger and in one mag I grouped 8 rounds of 45 from my Hk45 in a 3" circle.

It just so happens on that day at the range, my buddy let me shoot his Glock 19 gen 4. WHAT A DIFFERENCE! It was so easy a caveman could do it. I shot that Glock way better than I ever shot my P2000. So now I need some advice. Should I trade the P2000 for a glock 19 (I'll get the gen 3 tho) or keep the HK? I read alot of forums where people say "Never trade a HK you'll be silly to do that"... Well if I cant shoot it good then why should I keep it?

Anyway the only thing I don't like about glocks (other than the un-attractiveness of them) is not having a safety. I understand that there are alot of stories of ND with glocks, with that being said I also understand that alot of people carry glocks... so if 100 million people carry glocks, there will probably be 4,5,6 million stories of glock problems... it's just a number game I think.

HK OWNS! and Glock rocks but If I am making a mistake by trading in the HK then someone let me know.

Also I post on a HK forum and it's pretty obvious what answer I will get if I asked on that forum.

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Frozen North
April 14, 2011, 10:54 PM
I like my Glocks better too. HK must be better though, they cost more.... right? :D

Rule of thumb is to not sell a gun you like to fund another gun purchase. If you just don't like the HK very much and you NEED a G19, do it!

Carter
April 14, 2011, 10:59 PM
You said you shot the glock better. That seems to be your answer.

I'm not a H&K fan though so...I'm biased.

I'd say it really depends on how much money and training you have tied up in the handgun, and how much money you'd get back by selling it.

Prion
April 14, 2011, 11:05 PM
Glocks are not unattractive. They attract more shooters than any other auto!

I'm in the same boat as you. I found shooting Glocks more enjoyable and that I could shoot them much better.

I wouldn't hesitate to sell an HK to fund a Glock.

gearhead
April 14, 2011, 11:13 PM
I'm not a Glock fan at all, but if the Glock works for you and the HK doesn't then there's no point in keeping the HK.

kawtech87
April 14, 2011, 11:17 PM
I would say skip the glock and go to a S&W M&P. Thats what i did and everyone said i was stupid to do it but now i have the best groups out of all my Glock fanatic buddys. The only issue ive had since the trade is that the magizines are back-ordered from S&W. On my way to 1k rounds not a single faliure of any kind.

If you must have that "euro appeal" try a sig. I have a 228 and a 220 both are in the "pry them from my cold dead fingers" category. hope this helps goodluck.

Gtscotty
April 14, 2011, 11:51 PM
Trade:

If you liked the Glock better and shoot better with it, go for the G19. I don't see a point in keeping guns around that I don't enjoy or shoot well, unless they have some sort of extra value (emotional, historical, family guns, etc.) If you really miss your HK and decide you need another one down the road, I have a feeling they'll still be in the business....

MidwestRookie
April 15, 2011, 12:41 AM
if you're keepin the hk45c and shoot the 19 well, obviously trade in the p2000 for the glock...you still have an HK that you like and you'll have a new glock you like. seems simple enough to me...

usp9
April 15, 2011, 07:39 AM
I'm not a Glock fan at all, but if the Glock works for you and the HK doesn't then there's no point in keeping the HK.

I'm not a Glock fan either, and am a HK fan, but if you can't shoot the P2000 or don't like it, why keep it?

I'm the opposite, in that I can't shoot a Glock. I've tried, but the gun just doesn't work for me, but put a HK in my hands and magic happens. Sometimes one must just accept life's mysteries and move on.

CHM
April 15, 2011, 08:47 AM
HK has been known for superior German engineering fit and finish in the past, as well as innovations such as delayed blowback technology as in the G3 and the squeeze cock P7 series, the modular components of the MPs, etc. This was especially true in the German manufactured vs US assembled guns, (IMO). I agree that the USP series seems to be less than what one would expect from HK. I have a P7M13, a P7M8 and a G3 which are beautiful and great shooters. I've drooled over the HK rifles and MP guns, but never had the pocket change to even consider them.

Jed Carter
April 15, 2011, 09:10 AM
I was not a Glock fan, until I shot a G17 Nov 08, I am a fan now. Glock upgrades and accessories are everwhere and usually cheaper than the others. I like the HK45, P30L but I compete in IDPA/USPSA matches with a Glock G34 when shooting SSP or Production classes.

CaptHank
April 15, 2011, 09:32 AM
I could never get used to the trigger on the USP45. It would actually sting my finger on the return. After 50 rounds or so, down range, it started to be painful. Lord knows that I gave it a chance. I finally sold it.

Tennessee Ned
April 15, 2011, 09:58 AM
I don't have a Glock but I do have a Steyr and have shot it at the range with a friend's 19 and they are almost the same pistol. The Glock's trigger is a tad better though. Having said that, I love shooting the Glock and the Steyr but I still prefer the double action of my Sig and HK and they are my nightstand and carry but that's just my personal preference because it's always in the back of my mind how easy it is to disengage that trigger safety on the Glock and Steyr. I have no problem keeping my finger out of there but I'm always worried about something else getting in there and I feel that the the DAs just offer me a little more peace of mind when there's one in the chamber.

ForumSurfer
April 15, 2011, 10:07 AM
If I am making a mistake by trading in the HK then someone let me know.

Yes, huge mistake. Sell it here. You'll come out with enough cash for a glock 19 and several hundred rounds. If You're dead set on losing money...I'll trade you my gen4 for your HK.

You said you shot the glock better. That seems to be your answer.

This. I'm a 1911 guy, but I love my glock(s). A g19 is something everyone should own. :) It's inexpensive and a joy to shoot. If I somehow lost all of my firearms, it would be the first to be replaced.

2wheels
April 15, 2011, 10:18 AM
The only HK pistol you could get me to pay money for would be a P7, everything else is overpriced "meh"... Especially the USP.

HK has a lot of fanboys who are convinced their the best pistols on the planet, but if you shoot the Glock better I'd sell that HK in a heartbeat.

I'll freely admit I dislike HK, but this is kinda a cut and dry case...

ClickClickD'oh
April 15, 2011, 10:19 AM
HK has been known for superior German engineering fit and finish in the past, as well as innovations such as delayed blowback technology as in the G3 and the squeeze cock P7 series, the modular components of the MPs, etc

I see the ubermech have been advertising again.

HK didn't innovated delayed blow back, unless they invented the G3 in the 1930s.

The MP-5 series wasn't innovative at all. It's just a small G-3, which is just a German made CETME... which are all just stamped metal receiver guns not very different in construction materials from your run of the mill AK.

FullEffect1911
April 15, 2011, 10:26 AM
I see no problem in trading in a pistol that has lost your favor for one that has a high chance of becoming a great shooter for you.

With that said try to get a hold of an XD and a M&P to shoot as well. If you are going to trade in that HK, try and give yourself the best chance to get a pistol you will keep the rest of your days.

For me the M&P series has it all over the XD and points way better then a Glock. If they are all the same to you, you can't go wrong with any of those three. (M&P and XD can have thumb safeties from the factory as well if that is your thing)

Babarsac
April 15, 2011, 10:48 AM
I owned gen 3 Glock 19 and just couldn't get into it, the polymer just didn't feel "right" to me. I usually split my time between an HK (yes I know) P7 and S&W 5906. I like my P7 but I wouldn't pay some of the crazy Gunbroker prices I see out there. Unfortunately the cheaper police trade-ins seem to have dried up, and don't even try too look at what magazines cost.

Again, to each their own.

Madcap_Magician
April 15, 2011, 10:53 AM
But what about the superior German engineering?

PX15
April 15, 2011, 11:06 AM
JMOfartO:

If you can shoot (and enjoy shooting) ANY firearm better than ANY other firearm then it only makes sense to keep the one you shoot, and enjoy best, and sell or otherwise dispose of the other..

(Or, keep 'em all... You can never have too many guns...)

The name engraved on the slide of any specific firearm means absolutely nothing if you can't, or don't like it, or cannot shoot it well.

We all like having "high quality stuff", and generally speaking "high quality stuff" costs more than stuff not perceived as really being "high quality"... But what it all boils down to is when and if you need to defend yourself in a life threatening confrontation the name on the slide doesn't mean squat.

I have roughly 7-8 9MM pistols, two of which have H&K engraved on the slides, and I love 'em all...

But in a carry 9, I like my (relatively speaking) "cheep" $365.00 Ruger LC9...

Buy what you shoot best, and don't worry about what's written on the slide..:)

No offense,

Jesse

netsurf12
April 15, 2011, 12:20 PM
I have to say that I love both.

My first handgun was a HK USP45CT and I love it and shoot it well. It just fits my hand well.

My second handgun was a Glock 34 and I shoot it well also.

If you don't like the gun and it's going to be a safe queen and you have the funds to get what you want, do it.

If you're never going to use it and you're keeping it just 'cause other people say something....well, come on.

Jesse said it very well already, the engraved name on the slide means nothing if you can't or don't shoot it well.

In general terms though, don't trust forums, trust yourself and your experiences. Shoot everything you can get your hands on, you never know what you'll love and you can meet some really cool and interesting people while you're doing it.

Chat with people while you're waiting for range time, you'd be surprised how many people will offer to let you shoot what they brought. You will get a fair amount of crazy opinions, but take the good with the bad and be polite.

Most people are stupid, you should know that already :)

Cheers and good luck

Nushif
April 15, 2011, 12:26 PM
You said you shot the glock better. That seems to be your answer.

Pretty much this. It may not be the best financial decision, but inherently *having* a hobby isn't the best financial decision. 8)
The Gen4 grip is pretty slim for a Glock, I'll be honest and say that I'm tempted to take another look at the Glocks.

Darebear
April 15, 2011, 12:27 PM
Thanks all. I just wanted to throw this out there, in no way am I dissing HK... I know its 100% operator error. Im not saying the trigger is bad Im saying Im bad with the trigger. Damn reset point causes me to double clutch. Anyway thanks for the advice guys. After the original 800$ price tag, i have mepros on it and a RCS holster, streamlight TLR2s, and 9 mags (and HK mags arent cheap). This will be the first gun I try to sell by myself so what is realistic to ask for?

I ask bcuz in the past I traded a M&P and a springfield xd 3" (loved that gun) and lost almost 300 on each trade in. The shops around my way have used HK's for 700$... but I was told they would only give me 400 for it. I can't lose that much money on a gun. Im a noob at all this so thats why Im asking.

FullEffect1911
April 15, 2011, 12:51 PM
I ask bcuz in the past I traded a M&P and a springfield xd 3" (loved that gun) and lost almost 300 on each trade in. The shops around my way have used HK's for 700$... but I was told they would only give me 400 for it. I can't lose that much money on a gun. Im a noob at all this so thats why Im asking.

I have never tried to sell a firearm on gunbroker, so I can't help much there.

However, you mentioned that you just got a H&K 45c and you shoot it well. Personally I think I would sell the p2000 and buy a .22lr pistol and a whole lot of .45 and .22 ammo. Nothing will make a person a better shooter like proper technique and a lot or rounds down range. I am also a sucker for the .45 auto.

PX15
April 15, 2011, 01:18 PM
Darebare:

I recently sold my first firearm on GunBroker, and from now on that's the only way I'll be selling a gun I want to get rid of.

I sold a P7, and the charges from Gunbroker were less than $20.00, and it was only that much because I had 4 or 5 photos in the ad.

Over the years I've sold a pile of guns, generally thru the local "news-rag" (ads are free), or on the "buy & sell" sections of many of the online firearm forums (this one included)..

I've had pretty good luck in the past using these methods, but I've come to the conclusion that the most painless way (for me) is Gunbroker..

Just place your ad, and forget about it. Apparently ten-bazzillion and three folks peruse that place, and sooner or later someone will come along and pay your price (if it's reasonable, maybe even if it's unreasonable?)

If someone doesn't buy your gun the first week, it can be re-listed, free, for more weeks.

You'll lose your butt trying to deal with a gun shop on a trade or selling a gun, and selling locally works great IF you have something easy to sell, but anything a bit "unique" generally needs to be advertised to a larger audience. (My HK P7 for example).

I'd recommend Gunbroker as a very good place to sell, or buy a firearm..

When BUYING, I do consider the "feedback ratings" before sending my money (USPS money order only), but when selling you get the money before the buyer gets the gun...

Best Wishes,

Jesse

brnmuenchow
April 15, 2011, 01:32 PM
I typically favor the H&K's, but I do respect the Glocks so as an un-bias opinion the best I know how is: I believe that it is simple, it is a personal preference between what you shoot better with. Not everyone is going to shoot well with an H&K, or a Glock. It is a numbers game, when it comes to quality, shootability, and popularity. I do however suggest not getting rid of it just yet, you never know when it may become a gun you may have wished you held on to for whatever reason! My father has expressed how much he regrets getting rid of some guns he had in the past, even though they may not have been his favorite. I recently had to remind him of that when he said he was considering getting rid of his Sig Sauer P226 "Blackwater" because he shot better with my Sig Sauer P226 "NAVY". I told him that because they don't make the "Blackwater" anymore he would be an idiot to trade it in, and that he would AGAIN one day regret it. I know not everyone can afford to just simply spend money on one gun from another, but I try my hardest to keep from trading in and taking a hit (lessons learned by watching others). My father has in the past taken a few hits on gun trade-in's that he has admitted to.

The Lone Haranguer
April 15, 2011, 03:20 PM
I find the price tag off-putting, as polymer frames are supposed to be a cost-cutting measure. If you could show me that the extra quality is there for 50% more than a Glock or M&P, I might be more inclined.

Darebear
April 15, 2011, 05:56 PM
Thanks guys. I am going to put a couple more range trips in then make my final desicion. I brought this problem up to a friend today and they asked how many rounds did I put throught the P2000... Well after telling him that I had about 200-300 rounds down the pipe he said he would smack me if I sold a gun after only training with 300 rounds. I guess that shows my lack of range time?

I should have mentioned to yall that I go to the range about twice a month so now that I know that I've been seriously limiting my potential by not putting alot of range time in I am going to commit to the range once or twice a week for the next two months then make my desicion from there. Growing pains of a noob I guess.

The simplicity of other pistols (and striker fire triggers) kind of gave me the notion that If I cant pick up a pistol and be effecient with after a couple range trips, then that pistol isnt for me.

mljdeckard
April 15, 2011, 06:00 PM
If I don't like shooting a gun, I don't keep it. If I kept it, all it would do is take up space in the safe, and every time I looked at it, all I would be able to think about is how much less I like it than other guns.

2ac
April 15, 2011, 07:32 PM
If you really like your 45c maybe try a P30?

gohogs93
April 15, 2011, 08:21 PM
Don't hesitate to trade a gun you dont shoot well for a gun you do shoot well

BP Hunter
April 16, 2011, 02:46 PM
My rule is - if I don't shoot it well on the range trip, then I'm not keeping it. Every gun I own I have to be comfotable shooting. It has to shoot naturally.

Last month I bought a Sig Pro P2022 from buds. It's a SIg, it should be great, right? I hated it. The DA pull was tooo looong and heavy and though it shot accurately, it always shot 2" low and 1" to the left. I traded it in the next day for an ATI C92 (Beretta 92) clone which I fell in love with immediately after shooting it.

I also had a Ruger LCP, that i forced myself to love because of its excellent reviews. But after a few hundred rounds, I decided that this excellent gun was not for me. I sold it.

Go for the G19, you will be happy that you did.

Good luck.

BP Hunter
April 16, 2011, 02:49 PM
Sorry, I meant Ruger LCR and not the LCP.

NMGonzo
April 16, 2011, 04:06 PM
The one you shoot best with you should own.

Hunter2678
April 16, 2011, 04:13 PM
If your HK isn't working and your thinking of the glock route...Id seriously try handling an M&P before you settle on the glock...I think you"ll find the ergo's and fit superior to the glocks..I bought an M&P bc of that.

FIVETWOSEVEN
April 16, 2011, 06:20 PM
In my view, no gun is for everyone. For me its Glocks, they feel awkward in my hand and just get a "Meh" when I shoot them. I prefer SIGs because they fit my hand like a glove especially the P220.

Just because HK has made some good stuff, that doesn't mean its the best or its for everyone.

MJ
April 16, 2011, 10:15 PM
It's you bullet, the 9mm NATO needs a longer barrel like 5" while the .45 from a 10" like the M1a1 or the M3a3 grease gun can get buy with a short 8". The average guy can groupe the .45 better than he can the 9mm. Why just the other day I was shooting water base spray paint cas at 250 yards with an HK with an 8" bbl. The AR15 guys coudn't seen to hit them so I asked if I could have a try. After the laughter i took three in five shots at 200 to 250 yars up hill.

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