Nagant Revolver


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kingcheese
April 14, 2011, 11:33 PM
i have two basic questions
the first one is
I have a nagant revolver that da/sa, it has a fly on it to allow the double action, if i removed the fly, would it function as a single action only revolver

my second one, is there any other typs of revolver that have a mechanism that is as interesting as the nagant, aside from the full auto revolvers made by the british?

just a couple things i was wondering about, thanks for your help

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DPris
April 15, 2011, 12:07 AM
Full-auto revolvers?
You may be thinking of the Webley-Fosbery, a semi-auto revolver.
Denis

kingcheese
April 15, 2011, 12:36 AM
no, im about 90 prcent sure around the turn of the century there was a full auto reolver, of course i have been wrong before and it happens quite often, something i remember from what i am thinking of is that after each shot, the recoil pushed the barrel and cylinder back on the frame, similar to the slide action of a modern autoloader,

but like i said, i could be wrong
:D

DPris
April 15, 2011, 02:12 AM
The Webley-Fosbery, semi-auto.
Recoil pushed the top half back on the lower frame to rotate the cylinder & cock the hammer. It required a separate trigger pull for each shot fired. That's what made it a semi-auto. No ejection, that was still done manually.
Full-auto would be pulling the trigger once and the gun continuing to fire either until empty or until the trigger is released.
Denis

goodtime
April 15, 2011, 03:08 AM
There's also the Mateba semi-auto revolver.

DPris
April 15, 2011, 04:27 AM
And Chiappa Rhino.
Denis

bcp280z
April 15, 2011, 05:30 AM
There are cool old revolvers w/ 2 triggers one for firing, one for cocking, forgot where I read it tho.

Pete D.
April 15, 2011, 07:10 AM
And Chiappa Rhino.
Denis
The Chiappa Rhino is a standard SA/DA. Nothing semi-auto about it.
Pete

kingcheese
April 15, 2011, 01:05 PM
okay, i know the difference between full auto and semi auto, i swore i thought i saw a full auto revolver somewhere, but it appears you and me are talking about the same thing, so i must be wrong :(

MushroomxSpider
April 15, 2011, 01:22 PM
I believe DPris was merely answering the OP's question "is there any other types of revolver that have a mechanism that is as interesting as the nagant...?" To that end, the Rhino would certainly qualify in my mind :)
As far as other gas-sealing revolvers, I don't think I've ever seen one. I really want a Nagant, but the lack of easily available ammunition has kept me from investing in one. I've heard of people reloading 32-20 brass as a good replacement, but I'm not a reloader (yet). I guess I should act soon, while there is still crates of them floating around and they're dirt cheap.

As far as auto-revolvers go, I think the confusion sets in because semi-automatic revolvers are typically just called "auto-revolvers" or "automatic revolvers".
That said, some old millatreuse pistols would accidentally fire all 6 barrels at once, so they were kinda like a machine gun :P

DPris
April 15, 2011, 03:45 PM
King,
No full-auto revolver produced officially that I've ever heard of, no real point to one. :)

(Have heard of an experimental Peacemaker project that supposedly would run full-auto, but it was just to play with.)

Pete,
As Mush said, just pointing out another "interesting" revolver, as was Goodtime, didn't say the Chiappa was full-auto.

Denis

harmon rabb
April 15, 2011, 05:47 PM
I really want a Nagant, but the lack of easily available ammunition has kept me from investing in one. I've heard of people reloading 32-20 brass as a good replacement, but I'm not a reloader (yet). I guess I should act soon, while there is still crates of them floating around and they're dirt cheap.

You can shoot .32s&w and .32s&w long out of a nagant revolver.

I have one. I bought it for the hell of it, but don't really shoot it anymore. The manual ejection of cartridges is boring, and the hammer takes too much effort to cock. Got mine back when they were like $70.

Pete D.
April 15, 2011, 06:20 PM
I believe DPris was merely answering the OP's question "is there any other types of revolver that have a mechanism that is as interesting as the nagant...?" To that end, the Rhino would certainly qualify in my mind
just pointing out another "interesting" revolver, as was Goodtime, didn't say the Chiappa was full-auto.

Aha! Light bulb goes on. That makes sense. I am corrected. Sorry 'bout that.
Pete

hardworker
April 16, 2011, 05:20 PM
Yes, removing the double action fly will make it a SA, but the cylinder will still turn if you pull the trigger.

Caliper_RWVA
April 16, 2011, 08:53 PM
There's also the Mateba semi-auto revolver.

The Mateba is often referred to as an "autorevolver".

In order to make a full auto revolver (FA with 6 shots :confused: ) it would have to be an autorevolver anyways. If the MG registry weren't closed, I could see someone making a Mateba full auto.

IIRC, the British Webley was a break action with automatic extraction? When the action is broken open, the extractor pushes the spent casings out for you.

DPris
April 17, 2011, 02:57 AM
I can't see any reason for creating an uncontrollable full-auto Mateba aside from expanding its curiosity quotient. :)

Breaktops are pretty much designed around automatic ejection on opening the hinged action.

Denis

shiftyer1
April 17, 2011, 10:32 PM
I may be buying a nagant in the very near future, is it safe to fire .32 sw and .32 long through it?

hardworker
April 17, 2011, 11:35 PM
Many people including myself have done so safely.

Kendal Black
April 18, 2011, 12:03 AM
i have two basic questions
the first one is
I have a nagant revolver that da/sa, it has a fly on it to allow the double action, if i removed the fly, would it function as a single action only revolver

my second one, is there any other typs of revolver that have a mechanism that is as interesting as the nagant, aside from the full auto revolvers made by the british?

just a couple things i was wondering about, thanks for your help
I'd leave it alone. If the double action feature offends your sensibilities, cock it with your thumb.

I would go beyond "interesting" to describe the Nagant. I would say "questionable logic." There is no problem in a small gas leak between chamber and barrel, thus no benefit in sealing it. I think so particularly if we are talking about a tepid .32.

In other words, I find it 'an interesting solution to a nonexistent problem.'

"More interesting"? Depends on your definition of interesting, I suppose. If you can find a Webley-Fosbury, I suppose you will be delighted, but if I happened into one, I think I would trade it for three or four old boring Smith and Wessons. I like revolvers to be boring. I press, it bangs.

MushroomxSpider
April 18, 2011, 07:48 PM
I would go beyond "interesting" to describe the Nagant. I would say "questionable logic." There is no problem in a small gas leak between chamber and barrel, thus no benefit in sealing it. I think so particularly if we are talking about a tepid .32.

In other words, I find it 'an interesting solution to a nonexistent problem.'

According to Wikipedia (while we're on the subject of questionable :rolleyes: ) the gas-seal and curious cartridge design was originally to increase FPS, which it does successfully if only slightly noticeable. However, the design also makes it amazingly quiet with a suppressor. Apparently there is a silenced Nagant in the CIA museum, but you can also find one on Youtube. While people can debate all day about the necessity or practicality of a silenced revolver, the end result is still impressive to behold.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvF4yurWSc0

phoglund
April 18, 2011, 07:57 PM
That video is pretty impressive. A very silent firearm with that suppressor installed. If I ever get around to picking up a 9mm suppressor, having the barrel of my Nagant threaded for it will definitely be on the 'todo' list!

fallout mike
April 18, 2011, 08:15 PM
Century arms sells .32acp cylinders for $59.95 at the moment

kingcheese
April 19, 2011, 10:15 AM
i belive that the russains kept a few nagants on hand to be suppressed through out the cold war, i heard about it some where, but it might turn out to be like my automatic revolver

MCgunner
April 19, 2011, 11:44 AM
If you get a Nagant, be sure and buy one of those grip work out tools. I have NEVER felt such as masochistic trigger pull on any other firearm, and that's SA as well as DA. :rolleyes: They're cheap, they're a historic firearm, but I can live without one.

kingcheese
April 20, 2011, 09:53 AM
oh, i got a nagant revolver already, just trying to figure out my next buy

and the nagant gas seal catridge was said to add 100-200 fps, i dont know where thoose numbers, i dont believe that they make a non-gas seal revolver that shoots 7.62x38, so i dont know how they would have tested that

twaits
April 20, 2011, 10:53 AM
Here's a good site on Nagants. This guy is very knowledgeable and will answer any questions about Nagants if you e-mail him:

http://thenagantman.com/index.html

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