Is this normal with J frames or wheel guns in general?


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bcp280z
April 15, 2011, 12:57 PM
I just recently aquired my first wheel gun, Smith 438, only put about 350rds through so far, bought it new. First time I noticed a discrepancy on front of cyl. was using some GA Arms reloads, it was my first time using those and first time using wadcutters. I tried rubbing some gun oil on it and buffing but I dunno. Is it normal for this to happen with colored revolvers or ?



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pezo
April 15, 2011, 02:14 PM
If its a stainless steel cylinder than you need to use a "lead away" cloth to clean the carbon off the front of it. Do NOT use lead away cloths on blue steel cylinders ( takes bluing off). This is normal for revolvers to get dirty here due to barrel cylinder gap.

sixgunner455
April 15, 2011, 02:32 PM
Yes, it's normal. Guns get dirt there.

9mmepiphany
April 15, 2011, 05:25 PM
Normal, that is the scorching from the hot gases backing up as the bullet jumps from the cylinder into the barrel

SaxonPig
April 15, 2011, 06:08 PM
It happens with revolvers.


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788Ham
April 16, 2011, 12:50 PM
Get some Mother's aluminum wheel paste, a toothbrush and a rag, before you know it, everything is back to the same. Just take a little effort, my 629 really shines after getting her nose blackened!!

NMPOPS
April 16, 2011, 01:36 PM
I have found that a plain old pencil earaser works to remove most of the carbon.

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DPris
April 16, 2011, 03:05 PM
It is NOT necessary to remove all of that.
Unless you're one of those who insist on it being perfectly pristine & like to polish things, just clean it normally & don't worry about the dark rings it leaves. They will not adversely affect the cylinder.
Denis

SAA
April 16, 2011, 03:30 PM
Is it dark rings, or lead rings you are concerned about? I think I'm seeing silvery rings, not black.

Remo223
April 16, 2011, 03:44 PM
SaxonPig:

AWESOME!

I have honestly never seen a model 58 before! I never even knew it existed!

THAT IS SO COOL!

now I want one. Did they ever make them with a roundbutt?

One-Time
April 16, 2011, 04:45 PM
totally normal

Steve C
April 16, 2011, 07:21 PM
Its mostly melted lead from the base of the bullet when shooting lead bullets and/or carbon from the burning powder.

Hopkins
April 16, 2011, 07:35 PM
I had a round but brother to that pinned and recessed nickle 19. Sadly it was stolen 18 yrs ago and I still miss it.

leftymachinist
April 16, 2011, 08:57 PM
I own a nickled S&W M-27( my pokerizer, see The Stand by Stephen King), and have yet to worry about the burn rings at the front of the cylinder. Unless you need it to look newish no need to fret about them.

243winxb
April 16, 2011, 09:27 PM
Soft lead bullets is the cause. Hoppe's #9 will remover it. Wet and let sit a few days.

bcp280z
April 17, 2011, 12:58 PM
I'm much less worried about cosmetics as I am function. It's my first revolver and EDC so just had to make sure it wasn't bad or anything. Thank's for all the info, bought a special wipe for it but I'll save it til it gets a little dirtier.

SAA
April 17, 2011, 10:51 PM
In a nut shell then...

...if it's carbon staining, not much to trouble yourself over. What solvent and a brush don't remove can stay put.

...if it's lead buildup, it could eventually affect cylinder movement if your barrel/cylinder gap is tight. Otherwise, some never worry about it. Personally, I see no reason not to clean all the lead deposits off my guns at each cleaning.

gamestalker
April 18, 2011, 12:12 AM
That is a really nice M-58! Do you shoot it much these days, or is it primarily a collection peice?

SkippySanchez
April 18, 2011, 10:58 AM
I've got some Georgia Arms 158g LSWCHPs and have had the same buildup, including little flecks of lead in the barrel and in some of the cylinder holes.

This is from their website: "These component lead bullets manufactured at Georgia Arms are hard cast with #2 Lyman alloy to produce superbly accurate bullet with sufficient hardness to reduce leading. They are wax lubed and sized. Brinell hardness is 18."

They're a good load, the FBI standard for .38s for a long time, and shoot accurately. But the lead does build up. I've found that shooting about 50 rounds of jacketed ball ammo after shooting lead bullets helps scour the barrel some. But I prefer to clean after each shoot rather than letting it build up over time. Then again, it's a carry gun so I want it to work if I need it to work.

clem
April 18, 2011, 01:50 PM
Get a stainless steel brush (tooth brush size) and just scrub it off.

springfield30-06
April 18, 2011, 02:14 PM
Get some Mother's aluminum wheel paste, a toothbrush and a rag, before you know it, everything is back to the same. Just take a little effort, my 629 really shines after getting her nose blackened!!

Don't do this! The 438 is a blued gun and this will take the finish off!

S&W 438
http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/images/firearms/detail_md/163438_01_md.jpg

S&Wfan
April 18, 2011, 10:41 PM
Totally normal and nothing at all to worry about.

The_Shootist
April 18, 2011, 10:56 PM
Grin - I kinda like it. Gives the revolver a used or "character" type of look. I like my revolvers to have a bit of wear to them. I've never bothered to clean the front of the cylinders beyond what it takes to make them safe and accurate.

Shot alot - carried alot - thats how a working revolver should look.

SwampWolf
April 19, 2011, 02:08 PM
now I want one. Did they ever make them with a roundbutt?

Nope, Model 58s came only with square butts and 4", pinned barrels. About 20,287 of them were made from 1964 to 1977, most of them blued, some were nickled and a very few were reportedly two-toned (of which I've never even seen pictures of).

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