Is it just my Beretta 92...


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commygun
April 15, 2011, 07:05 PM
or do they all have insanely long trigger pulls? The pistol functions perfectly but the trigger has such a long take-up (if that's the correct term) that it just feels like there might be something wrong. My imagination?

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ET
April 15, 2011, 07:31 PM
I have several handguns with a long pull. The fact that the trigger reset is short on mine means that it isn't that big a deal to me. It just takes some practice finding where to stop the trigger at that point to keep from letting the trigger return all the way out to it's starting position. Follow up shots are much quicker that way for me. Did I say that in a way that makes sense? I am not sure where your 92 resets, but I would guess it is way short of the starting position of the trigger. I have never had any trouble getting used to the longer trigger pulls on some guns. Some people really can't make themselves like them. My friend didn't care for my pt111 mil pro because of the long pull, but after he shot it on 4 different occasions he grew to love the gun & wants to buy it from me now. You might grow to like it in time, if not I'll buy it from you if the price is right!!!!!

mister2
April 16, 2011, 12:45 PM
...do they all have insanely long trigger pulls?
DA/SA pistols will always have different trigger pulls between the first long and heavy (DA) pull, and the rest (SA) are shorter and lighter. Are you saying the pulls are still just as long for the SA?

Are you transitioning from a different pistol, say a 1911? 1911s spoil the trigger pulls for just about any other handgun simply because it has the shortest pull, shortest reset, of any out-of-the box pistol I've known. (I know, YMMV.) If so, there may be nothing wrong with the 92fs, just a matter of mastering it.

9mmepiphany
April 16, 2011, 01:56 PM
Beretta's aren't bad. If you want to feel a long trigger pull, try a Walther P99 or H&K USP or P2000

Average Joe
April 16, 2011, 02:14 PM
Yes, they have a long trigger pull.

Shipwreck
April 16, 2011, 07:57 PM
Well, they rock!

And put a "D" hammer spring and reduce the 11+lb trigger pull of the DA pull to just over 8lbs... You will still have the same length, though...

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/8-beretta-label1.jpg

john5036
April 17, 2011, 02:54 AM
OP: You don't happen to have one of the older police versions where it's DA only do you? Eesh.

Otherwise, yeah that first pull is a bit of a doozy, but if you practice enough you won't mind it so much. If anything, make you concentrate a bit more for that all important first shot.

Deus Machina
April 17, 2011, 04:04 AM
I used to want a 92. Then my friend bought a DAO one and lets me try it whenever we're out.

The DA pull on anything else has never bothered me, but this thing is a mile long, and has the 'about to fire' feel for three city blocks of it. I just can not shoot that gun well.

FIVETWOSEVEN
April 17, 2011, 09:21 AM
One quip that I have with the 92 is its long single action trigger, then again I'm used to a Hi Power single action trigger.

mljdeckard
April 17, 2011, 09:41 AM
I train my soldiers to flick the safety off as they draw before they insert a magazine and rack it. I want them to avoid the DA pull whenever they can.

wrigh003
April 17, 2011, 09:46 AM
Doesn't all that take longer than just training for the one long DA pull?

Yeah, it's long, but it's not THAT long. Quirk of the platform, I think.

mljdeckard
April 17, 2011, 09:51 AM
We are required to carry with a cleared weapon. We have to load it and rack it anyway.

JTQ
April 17, 2011, 12:52 PM
mljdeckard wrote,
I train my soldiers to flick the safety off as they draw before they insert a magazine and rack it.
We are required to carry with a cleared weapon. We have to load it and rack it anyway.
Wow, that's interesting. The safety is engaged on a weapon that not only has no round chambered, but no magazine even.

I don't doubt that is the procedure, though. In my Air Force days, the aircrew side arm was the S&W K-frame in .38. I never handled a loaded one unless it was on the pistol range.

mljdeckard
April 17, 2011, 02:28 PM
And they look at your weapon as you carry it and remind you if the safety is off. I actually had one instructor tell me to put the weapon on safe when it locked empty, reload it, drop the slide, flip it off-safe, and fire another round DA. I bit it off, there's no way I'm doing that in a fight.

Minnesota Wild
April 17, 2011, 03:19 PM
That's crazy, the Air Force always carries the M9 with a round in the chamber, hammer forward, on fire.

As for the trigger, the SA on the M9 has always felt good to me. Not anything like an STI, but it's a combat gun, not a $3000 target pistol. I like the Berretta trigger better than most other combat pistols I've used.

MidwestRookie
April 17, 2011, 10:55 PM
I used to want a 92. Then my friend bought a DAO one and lets me try it whenever we're out.

dao sucks...that's why you don't like it.

have you not tried a normal 92? the SA is awesome...somewhere in the 4 pound area and feels great to me. my friend who doesn't shoot couldn't believe the difference when I showed him the DA vs. the SA pull for the first time...

when I go to the range (and no, I dont carry or use a gun for home defense) I always load my mags when the gun isn't locked back...all I do is slingshot the slide which loads the first round and cocks the gun into single action so I never have to feel the double action pull...much more enjoyable for me.

the d-spring does make a HUGE difference for the DA shots tho...that's a must. j&g just added it to their site..
http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/beretta-92-96-recoil-spring-kit-/products_id/4672

Grunt Medic TXARNG
April 17, 2011, 11:34 PM
That's crazy, the Air Force always carries the M9 with a round in the chamber, hammer forward, on fire.
Sure they do... right up until they have their first ND. I'm not saying you've never seen this - but I seriously doubt you will ever find this in written policy. For comparison, when in the US Army MP and Stateside armed security personnel most commonly carry in Condition 3 - loaded magazine inserted, chamber empty, external safety engaged. When responding to an unknown situation, it was not uncommon for MP personnel to transition to Condition 2 -loaded chamber, safety engaged - which can get interesting while driving aggressively.

Cop Bob
April 18, 2011, 05:04 PM
When the 92 first came out, one showed up at our range.. My first though "man, somebody stayed up all night thinking about the design" I like the ambidextrous safety, the rolling hammer/firing pin block on the safety, the safety notch cut in the hammer to keep it from hitting a primer IF it is dropped with the safety off, much like a Smith Revolver.. All and All a very good, well thought out design,

One of the features that I really liked was the very Early 92-F, that had the Mag Release on the lower part of the grip, left side.. I could actually drop and swap mags without ever breaking my grip with the strong hand.. very nice.. however that little piece of innovation never made it into revisions... guess to many complaints from those used to the 1911, and dang near every other semi-auto gun in the world.. But I liked it.. All mags for the 92 9mm's work with it..even the ones made today..

Just that the overall dimensions of the gun were a bit uncomfortable, or large for my hands.. But I finally learned to be comfortable and accurate with it..

As far as the Cougar models, or Double Action Only.. that is what I settled on for a duty weapon... It was the best of both worlds for me,, that is being a PPC shooter that was raised on Double Action Revolvers.. But that is just me.. Heck I have three of them now, all in 40, and tucked around where I may need one... generally one on my hip..

BTW, an empty chamber does me NO good, I always tote it ready to run..

SharpsDressedMan
April 18, 2011, 05:25 PM
Common sense (which is not all that common) would dictate that anyone using the Beretta 92 series would carry loaded, hammer down, safety off, ready to fire. That is how it was designed to be used, and is safe until you get something in the trigger guard pulling the trigger. Of course the military will find alternate ways to have the troops carry weapons, just like they find cute "alternative" name for guns, gear, and clothing. :rolleyes: Any compromise over the proper way to carry the M9 is made to appease some commander that probably hasn't thought it through. The M9 is safe when loaded and ready to go. The troop carrying it may not be. That has nothing to do with the weapon or it's design.

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