Savage 12 LRP any users?


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DIM
April 16, 2011, 11:23 PM
Thinking to get Savage 12 Long Range Precision, I been searching for reviews, no luck so far..
Did anyone tried them, how they shoot, feel, etc..???

Thanx;)

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supercalvin56
April 16, 2011, 11:42 PM
My brother has an LRPV in 204 Ruger. His accutrigger has been very good, others I read haven't been so lucky. I think the LRPV is best gun Savage makes. The HS Precision stock is a dandy. The barrel is a major chunk of stainless and causes the gun to be a little front heavy. My brother's has been a very good shooter from the very first group. It prefers the 32 V-Max with either 10X or Benchmark but, also shoots the 39 Blitzking very well. We both really like the left port for bench shooting. The one improvement would be to slicker up the bolt lift, it is a little heavy and jerky.

DIM
April 16, 2011, 11:51 PM
Yes I'v seen LRPV's nice looking and few hundreds more then LRP, since LRP using blue action and barrel. Only wish Savage would make LRPV in calibers they did for LRP...

DIM
April 17, 2011, 10:27 AM
Thank you Jeff56, by the way I did ask on Savage forum so far no one had tried... And for caliber I'm looking in 260, moving away from 308 as usual, now-days trend... Because of better BC in 264 bullets and trajectory of 300 WM.

DIM
April 21, 2011, 02:22 AM
so anyone????

benzy2
April 22, 2011, 01:01 AM
.260 is a great round. It does a lot well. If you are looking strictly for a paper puncher, I might go .243 with a fast twist as well. You push a similar BC bullet a bit faster. Either should be a good choice as long as you match the twist rate on your barrel.

As for the Savage, most shoot. The three screw stocks can be tricky to adjust properly. There are a handful of results shown based on how you torque the three screws. I think 6mmbr.com had a good write up on it not too long ago. Anyways, I'd pick up a torque wrench if you don't already have one as it may make more difference in how your rifle shoots than a lot of other variables.

DIM
April 22, 2011, 02:49 AM
I think action on 12 LRP is different, this one has detachable magazine, so its different from current target actions... By the way I found recent review on Savage Shooter, its 12 LRT chambered for 6.5 CREEDMORE, those groups are awesome using factory ammo, some are 0.1 MOA!

Afy
April 22, 2011, 09:17 AM
I have one .222-250 that is sub half MoA when I do my part. Great rifles. I also swap the barrel on mine to switch between 6 BR, .22-250 and .260 Rem

Tim the student
April 22, 2011, 11:02 AM
The three screw stocks can be tricky to adjust properly. There are a handful of results shown based on how you torque the three screws. I think 6mmbr.com had a good write up on it not too long ago.

It took me a while to find it, but I believe this is the article:

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2011/02/tuning-savage-actions-using-action-screw-torque-settings/

DIM
April 22, 2011, 11:58 AM
Thank you Tim! I bookmarked it so should be a problem for me next time... Now I just have to wait till new line of Savage rifles will reach my neck of the woods ;-) Dicks and Gadner Mtns have no idea about existance of LRP, they do have LRPV in their catalogs, that's all. There are few stores online, Buds was one, but it looks like he sold them all... I'm not looking for online purchase for now, will try to support local business first ;-)

DIM
May 15, 2011, 01:12 AM
I found LRP available at the local store its 260 rem, I might do "review" on it, so far I'm a bit disappointed with my purchase, this rifle didn't show anything out of the box, my hunting rifles shoot better and the filth in the barrel!!! I never seen anything like it, I think my muzleloader leave less crap behind.

DIM
May 15, 2011, 09:02 AM
I still have to complete break in new barrel, and if it won't improve I will contact Savage CS. Probably will contact them anyway need more info on bullets and ammo it was designed to shoot. The only ammo sold in my neck of the woods are Remington Core-Lokt by Walmart, Dicks and Gadner Mountain have nothing to offer for 260...

DIM
May 15, 2011, 12:28 PM
there are few small gunshops and they could order ammo for me, but who makes good ammo for 260? I heard Corbon makes match ammo for 260, maybe blackhills...

wingman
May 15, 2011, 02:21 PM
I have a savage 12 BTVS accu-trigger 223, less then .500 groups if I do my part,trigger is super nice. plan on getting the LRPV in 6br when I can. I was at the range recently with a guy who owned one, 10 rounds(slow fire)in one hole, I was impressed.

RyeDaddy
May 15, 2011, 11:20 PM
Who makes good .260 ammo? I DO!!! My Savage 116 loves my handloads with 140 grain Berger VLD's.

I assume you don't reload, so maybe this info doesn't help you. 260 factory ammo is out there to be had. HSM makes a loading with the Berger VLD's, although I haven't tried them, I'm busy loading my own. Black Hills 139 grain Lapua Scenar loading shot well in my rifle, as did the (no longer made) Remington loading using the 125 grain Partition. Core-Lokt's were unimpressive, as were Federal's 120 grain Fusion.

When I first got my 260, I kept searching online to find good deals on different forums from people selling ammo, so I got to try a bunch.

If you end up getting the LRP I'd be interested to hear your results with it, I'm looking at buying one for range use.

benzy2
May 16, 2011, 12:14 AM
For .260, anymore you probably are going to have to handload to get much out of the rifle. Good news is that Lapua now has brass for .260 as well as Remington and Winchester. It's one of my favorite rounds, but it takes a handloader to really see the potential in store.

DIM
May 16, 2011, 01:19 AM
I guess this Savage new on the market and the only way to find out if it likes it is to buy a box and try it. As far as LRP I did buy it and fired few shots and I think it doesn't like Remington ammo, or maybe I just need to shoot it more.

http://imageshack.us/m/852/2753/sav12lrp.jpg

DIM
May 24, 2011, 02:16 PM
So anyone got same model? What your rifle likes to shoot: ammo or bullets, powder, seating depth?

DCoke
May 24, 2011, 03:07 PM
I have two Model 12's. One in .308 DBM SS and one .204 SS internal magazine. I love both of them and how they cycle cleanly but I love my .204 because I can see my target (paper or live) after I shoot. I own three Savages total with the third being a walnut BTVSS .22 MkII. All have the accu-trigger and adjusting to it (as well as adjusting it) was very easy.

DIM
May 24, 2011, 04:03 PM
Yes they are great! I have two, the last one is Target series chambered in 260 Rem, because of the scarce ammo for it in my local stores I'm trying either order ammo which it will shoot perfectly or load something for it, but I don't want to play with load development, so maybe someone got same Savage model 12 LRP in 260 rem and know what it likes.
Thank you.

DIM
May 25, 2011, 11:35 AM
bump

DIM
July 5, 2011, 01:04 PM
well, LRP had issue with its barrel, Savage replaced it with LRPV, this one has hard to cycle bolt, heavy machine marks in its chamber, it scratches brass, unadjusted firing pin which punches holes in primers and finally fliers. I think I've had it...

DIM
July 5, 2011, 05:43 PM
I'm using Lapua brass, carefuly sorted and prepared, flash holes debured, primer pocket uniformed, necks turned, match bullets sorted by weight and ogive, and match primers, at the end I get a groups like 0.5" at 100 5 shots, then next will open to 1.5", so far I had 120 rounds done this tube.

DIM
July 5, 2011, 10:09 PM
O yeah forgot to mention, somehow this LRPV got wood furniture instead of HS Precision stock, I think its their F-Class stock, its sort of grayish-blue color. I'm taking care of the issues, I'm not sending it back again. I took bolt apart and readjusted firing pin, now only small portion of it sticks out on the strike so this one fixed, I did glass bedding on its action and I just got gunsmith to touch-up its chamber with right size reamer, so the hard bolt and scratched brass is resolved. As far as factory ammo I do not have much of the choice, it's either Lapua or Norma no one else makes it. So its either I have to pay 100 bucks for 20 or load myself. I thought I have load developed, since 0.5" wasn't bad, then I let barrel cool down then shoot same load but it grouped to 1.3" - 1.5". I'll try slower speeds, maybe what I'm making now is to fast for new barrel

DIM
July 6, 2011, 09:14 PM
sorry, 50 bucks for 20 rounds :-))
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=984293

there are no LRPV in 260, the only thing close is 6mm Norma BR, so its whole new field and I have no idea where to start :-))

DIM
July 7, 2011, 10:26 AM
I think this rifle was originally f class or bencrest which was returned back to Savage then barrel was cut short and it became a varminter, but stock never got changed, it didn't even have swivel stud to mount bipod.

DIM
July 8, 2011, 11:52 AM
Jeff, this rifle has target action, right bolt left port and target accutriger, its a single shot no DBM.
it has exact stock like this one http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/12%20BENCH%20REST

DIM
July 8, 2011, 12:24 PM
I did call Savage, they told me to send it back and they will replace it with HS, but I already bedded this one, so not sure how its going to work. Also I drilled it and installed swivel stud so I can mount bipod. This rifle shoots 0.6"@100 on average, usually its 3 shots 1,2 and 4 makes 0.2" group and shot 3 & 5 fliers

DIM
July 9, 2011, 03:51 PM
well it had 200 rounds down tube and first 40 were used to do proper break in, after which it didn't fouled as much. I just removed all the embedded copper with KG-12 the lands did look rough so I hand-lapped its bore with J&B, whenever I get time to load more ammo for it I'll give it a try. It feels like something getting realign in the bore when fliers occur. Spread is vertical that means pressure varied, since fliers are vertical up and down. From cold clean bore it starts to move up 2 - 3 shots then group nicely for 4 - 5 shots, then it either going up or down.

DIM
July 10, 2011, 02:30 AM
Jeff, few months back you posted a picture with savage target shot by savage, I think it was 22, on that test target they got 3 deferent codes(A, B, C), which one did you get? Any ideas what they stand for? By the way same guy tested my rifle, same signature.

DIM
July 10, 2011, 09:48 PM
Mine marked Code C and I think I know what it means :-)) 3 categories A B and C they don't have D but there is probably F fail :-)) so its hardly pass the inspection, but why sending me this....

DIM
July 11, 2011, 01:36 PM
Sure, I'll give them a call, they are closed right now and will reopen next week, they have 2 weeks factory shutdown.

DIM
July 30, 2011, 11:42 PM
Just an update to close this thread... I had professional gunsmith take a look at, and I was told the barrel on LRPV is as good as tomato stake, anyway I will describe my first hand experience. Got replacement rifle on the box it stated LRPV 6mm Norma BR, when I opened box there was rifle with target action right bolt left port, stainless steel barrel and laminate gray stock. Yes you heard me right, LRPV and LRP should have HS Precession synthetic black. Looking at the barrel it was almost touching stock inlet on the left side so I removed barrel with receiver out of the stock and here what I found: action has no contact with pillars and inlet made for action is un-proportionally cut.

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/4330/savpillar.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/343/savpillar1.jpg

Since Savage was closing in a few days for their yearly two week shutdown I decided to work on the stock I got, it wasn't bad looking, so I did proper glass bedding by removing all of that laminate material so only pillars would contact action as the result barrel straighten out and I start working on the loads. For brass I used brand new Norma and for bullets I had 105 gr A-Max, I made loads using 29.5 grain Varget and CCI 450 magnum primers and I seat bullets touching lands then 0.015" off and 0.030" off, after firing 20 shots I had one primer punctured through and the rest of them badly cratered:

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/9361/6mmnorma.jpg

I took action by readjusting firing pin, the original was set to far out, almost the size of the ejector.
Then I faced with the next problem, fired brass was almost impossible to cycle, there was something in the chamber badly deforming it and scratching it:

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/1989/6mmchamber5.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1229/6mmchamber4.jpg

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/4886/6mmnorma5.jpg

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/5126/6mmnorma6.jpg

so I start looking down chamber and here what I had discovered:
Chamber was badly scratched, it looked like it was wobbling while it was cut, there were chatter marks allover:

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/5607/6mmchamber1.jpg

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1138/6mmchamber6.jpg

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/8158/6mmchamber3.jpg

after searching I found professional gunsmith who decided to help me, but unfortunately he hit hard dense material with chamber reamer while cutting as the result reamer chipped, but he was able to remove all of the chatter marks left in the barrel by factory machining. Now I can cycle fired brass with no problem, but gunsmith warned me, because of the dense spots in the barrel I will always have fliers and my barrel is not worth another reamer. I called Savage after they reopen and complained about all of the problems I faced with the replacement they sent me. They denied everything and where very unpleasant while I was talking to them on the phone. Then they call me back and did interrogation on me with question why barrel chamber was cut, why I'm calling them, because I have no right calling them after modifications were done. Next day I received e-mail that they will re-chamber my rifle for $313.00, but since I felt their product is bad they will give some discount, 50% off...
Anyway, this is LAST Savage I bought and I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND SAVAGE to anyone.

DIM
July 31, 2011, 12:08 PM
Jeff, again you sound like savage marketing department and I don't blame you, that's any business strategy to win minds of consumers. I don't think it has to do with my luck, those guys had their chance to get it right when they test fired it, but they send it anyway on its way. Team Savage do not shoot out of the box rifles, all their "out of the box" carefully inspected with bore scopes so anytime they open that box they have shooters. It just bunch of myths created around it and there is nothing special when you get your hands on it. Jeff and yes marketing can write fairy-tales all they want, I bought their story once, twice, but three is enough. If I see guys write on average 6 - 5 post everyday, there is something fishy going on, don't you think ;-)

DIM
July 31, 2011, 03:23 PM
Bad product and worst customer service and I feed up with sweet lies about it.

dc.fireman
July 31, 2011, 04:40 PM
So, DIM - How does it shoot since the rechamber?

DIM
July 31, 2011, 04:58 PM
from 5 shot group it group 3 together and 2 fliers sometimes it will have just one, but once in the blue moon I get 0.3" which hard to repeat again.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5596/lrpvtrg11.jpg

here is 300 yard I think it was great but not exactly where I aimed at, but the first one was right on, that's all it counts.

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7748/6mmnorma20.jpg

then another 100 yard

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/7064/6mmnorma21.jpg

and another 300

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4637/6mmnorma22.jpg

another 100 yards

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8673/6mmnorma23.jpg

I got plenty more targets I can post...

DIM
July 31, 2011, 04:59 PM
Jeff it was not about you.

DIM
July 31, 2011, 05:08 PM
Jeff, I wish I can just close this page and everything get back to normal, but there are some positive things I can think about. I got very good shooting platform, target action with target trigger and you were right I can't use lightest setting with it, safety does engage before I can pull its trigger, also I got very good F class laminate stock which already glass bedded to fit this action. Only thing missing is match grade barrel, I'll say another 8 - 10 weeks wait and I'll get one for it.

tango2echo
July 31, 2011, 09:05 PM
I have the 12 LRP in .243Win. I didn't care fro the Accutrigger on this particular rifle, so it was swapped with a Timney set at about 18oz.

Ok, let me look at my range log..........Here we are.....

The first four 5 round groups with the AT averaged around 1" center to center with Winchester 100gr PP from wally world.

Since the new trigger and alittle smoothing of the action and playing with the torque on the action screws my best group is around .57" center to center. 180 rounds down the pipe to date. Best group was with:

New Win brass
CCI BR2
32.2gr Varget
105 AMAX
2.785COAL

5rd @ 100y .574" CTC

I am sure I could get it to .4 or better. I think alittle action bedding and a different base/rings and bedding the base could help. There is also not enough texture on the grip for my liking, and I have a hard time getting a repeatable cheek weld.

I ordered the 6.5 Creedmore about two weeks ago and I already have a 12 VLP DBM in .243. Kind of bought it on a whim. Dealer is saying a few weeks for delivery on the 6.5 Creedmore. Will probably see how the Creedmore shoots and then sell this one. I want to mod the Creedmore abit and maybe add a can.

t2e

DIM
July 31, 2011, 09:22 PM
tango2echo, from my experience, I would borrow borescope and inspect barrel from chamber to the muzzle, I just wished I had done it when I got my LRP in May.

tango2echo
July 31, 2011, 11:44 PM
Thanks DIM. I own a very good borescope and have used it. My Savage looks really good and I am sorry you didn't have the same experience. I guess every company has a lemon now and then.

Honestly though, with the results I have had from my last few Savage rifles I wouldn't care if the bore looked like a Somalian sewer pipe as long as they shoot this well. I mean, I am talking about a production rifle with cheap ammo that will shoot under and inch out of the box and half that with good handloads and a better trigger. I haven't owned a Remington in 15 years that would shoot under an honest inch on day one, and I have custom rifles with 5K in the action, barrel and glass that will not shoot any better than .5MOA. :banghead: I am pretty happy that the last dozen or so Savages I have bought were all MOA or Sub-MOA rifles. That's good enough for me. :rolleyes:

Hope you get you're worked out.

t2e

DIM
August 1, 2011, 01:26 AM
t2e, 243 probably would be best choice economically, I got 6mmBR that's only Lapua and Norma make ammo for it, and ain't cheap, 50 bucks for 20 and no one sells it around here, so I only rely on my handloads. Here are my latest targets, like in group A I was trying understand pattern and it seems like pressure, I was using 29.6 gr Varget and 105 gr Barnes Match Burners and CCI BR4.

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/4951/6mmnorma29.jpg

then I tested same load at 300 yards:

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/937/6mmnorma27.jpg

group B I used 105 gr A-Max and 29.6 gr Varget this is best group so far, I will try to repeat it again its like 0.26" center to center, I also tested it @ 300 yards:

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/513/6mmnorma28.jpg

group C is just hunting load with 100 gr Interlock BTSP, there I shot 2 5-shot groups, it looks like my barrel doesn't like them, so Barnes Match Burners I can't get them to group either.

DIM
August 22, 2011, 03:33 PM
Just an update. Installed new 30" SS bull barrel from Criterion, initial results are amazing, without load development hunting bullets 100 gr Hornady Interlocks I used to break-in grouped 0.2 - 0.3", can't wait to try Berger and Scenar!

Jeff, I got scope back from Vortex, they reseted its parallax in repair statement there some ring was loose, now @ 100 yards parallax setting is correct, I think life is getting better now, rifle shooting straight scope not blurry and groups are getting tighter, all it took is different barrel done right ;-)

controlfreak
August 30, 2011, 08:33 PM
Got vortex scope back, now its not blurry:what:
blasted savage anyway:banghead:

DIM
August 30, 2011, 09:17 PM
what do you want me to say...? I like its action, it's easy to work with, stock I had to bedded and its nice now, but the barrel had to go, but with a new barrel its 0.25 MOA rifle. Should of bought target action by itself to begin with and could-off saved all that time and pain I had...

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