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butcherboy
April 18, 2011, 02:45 PM
hi, im looking to buy one of the following rugers: mark I,II,III or 22/45.
condition used or new. blued/stainless no preference.
adjustable sights a must.

which is the better of the 4 choices?
pros/cons of each?
real world price, i already know the MSRP's.

thanks.

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osteodoc08
April 18, 2011, 03:48 PM
What are you going to be doing with it? I personally like the mark II target models, but that's me. I also like the bull over the tapered barrel. I am currently looking for a 22/45 with removable side panels. Price runs the gamut. How much are you realistically looking to spend?

Need more info before a recommendation.

butcherboy
April 18, 2011, 04:04 PM
main use: target/plinking,
secondary : small game

i just sold a shotgun for $280 ( going into the gun fund)would like to stay around $250-$280 but realistically $350 maximum.

i have a polymer frame Ruger p95 that i have never had a problem with , and .22 has less recoil compared to 9mm. so i guess i dont have a preference to grip material.

i also have a fixed sight single six.(have to compensate for different loads and ranges) so adjustable sights are a must have for this purchase.

range: 25-50 max. usually 25 and under.

hope this helps, help me.
thanks

butcherboy
April 18, 2011, 05:47 PM
ok i just looked at ruger.com

P512MKIIIRP : msrp $380

P512MKIII: msrp $335

whats the difference between the 2 models? just the grips? what would a gunshop price be? any estimate.

i also see that they are taped for scope mounts a plus

Mike J
April 18, 2011, 05:53 PM
Last week I stopped by a local shop here. They had a used Mark II with a bull barrel that was marked $225 (My guess is it being used that might be negotiable). They also had a new mark III with a tapered barrel marked $299 that was a new gun. Both of these had stainless frames & the barrel etc. on the top were blued. My guess is they must be some kind of distributor exclusive as I didn't see anything on Rugers website that looks like them. Firearms prices can vary some regionally but I hope this helps.

cavman
April 18, 2011, 05:57 PM
p512mkiii $269
http://www.armslist.com/posts/114423

ColtPythonElite
April 18, 2011, 05:58 PM
Any of them will work just fine.

Finish is up to you. I have a blue MK I Target and a stainless MK II Target. I like 'em both.

BrainOnSigs
April 18, 2011, 06:10 PM
I own three MKIIs. Best damn .22LR handgun on the planet.

My latest is a Competition Target model (slabside , bull barrel). I mounted an Ultra Dot L/T red dot scope using a Tactical Solution's picatinny rail.

It is a laser beam that will put 10 shots into an area the size of your thumb nail at 50 feet.

http://brainonsigs.smugmug.com/Other/Things-that-go-BANG/MKII-Ultra-Dot-1/1222591896_Wk7KU-L.jpg

It is a liitle above your budget. I bought it for $425 delivered. It was listed as 99%+....but I couldn't find evidence that it was ever fired. It came with the box, 4 mags, the base, rings and the orginal warranty card.

butcherboy
April 18, 2011, 06:19 PM
everyone: thanks for the help/suggestions.

im going to look at my local shop and see what they have. but it sounds like i should have no problem finding a used mark II that fits my budget on the low end. and possibly a new 22/45 on the high end.

vvanders
April 18, 2011, 07:44 PM
Ditto on the target competition, I've got a mark 3 and it's awesome.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5052/5501911350_009b28b874_z.jpg

GLOOB
April 18, 2011, 10:40 PM
MkI is the only one I'd steer clear of. There's no benefit to it. There's no slide stop, and the mag loading button is on the wrong side unless you're a lefty. The MkII is the best OOB. But the MkIII is the best if you spend some time unfixing some of the improvements.

The only advantage to the 22/45, IMO, is slightly lower cost and slightly lower weight. The grip is too thin and straight. It doesn't feel the slightest bit like a 1911. And the hockey stick mags don't carry as well in a range bag. I'd do it the other way. I'd get a cheap 22/45 with a short barrel for light weight, and a high end, long barrel MkII.:)

Or just get two MK's of the same vintage. Then you can load up on 1 type of magazine.

CHEVELLE427
April 18, 2011, 11:09 PM
MY NOMAD out shoots my MKII target AND MKIII 22/45 every time


the HS SK100 is a close 2nd

Animal Mother
April 18, 2011, 11:18 PM
I love my new Mark III. It's more accurate than I am.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5226/5632986648_668fb8093b.jpg

butcherboy
April 19, 2011, 04:12 PM
i just thought of something..maybe should have mentioned it originally.

this will be my first .22 semi. ( i shoot alot of rifles and revolvers.) will i even notice the differences between the mark II and III variations?

ColtPythonElite
April 19, 2011, 07:44 PM
MkI is the only one I'd steer clear of. There's no benefit to it. There's no slide stop, and the mag loading button is on the wrong side unless you're a lefty.

I don't see those two minor differences as a reason to steer clear of a MK I, especially a nice one.....I have a 1965 that still shoots tiny groups and has a finish on it that is far superior to the later guns. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't trade it for a brand new MK III and a hundred dollar bill.:)

CraigC
April 19, 2011, 08:28 PM
The only advantage to the 22/45, IMO, is slightly lower cost and slightly lower weight. The grip is too thin and straight. It doesn't feel the slightest bit like a 1911.
The "RP" model with proper grips feels just like a 1911. Balance is just a little different.

http://photos.imageevent.com/newfrontier45/sixgunsiii/large/IMG_7748b.jpg

Utahusker
April 19, 2011, 08:57 PM
Love my Hunter!

wow6599
April 19, 2011, 09:05 PM
MkI is the only one I'd steer clear of. There's no benefit to it. There's no slide stop, and the mag loading button is on the wrong side unless you're a lefty.

I don't see those two minor differences as a reason to steer clear of a MK I, especially a nice one.....I have a 1965 that still shoots tiny groups and has a finish on it that is far superior to the later guns. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't trade it for a brand new MK III and a hundred dollar bill.


I'm with ColtPythonElite on this one. Here is my tack-driving '72 MKI that I won't ever let go. Original bluing BTW........
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm31/wow6599/DSC00666.jpg

Animal Mother
April 19, 2011, 09:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWJJ3WF3rNE

If you are curious about the inherent accuracy of these guns, check out the vid, 200 yards offhand.

shotgunjoel
April 19, 2011, 09:22 PM
Don't get the Mk 3, they "improved" the design with an ugly loaded chamber indicator and a bad magazine disconnect. The magazine disconnect messes up the trigger, keeps the mags from sliding in and out well, and makes disassembly a pain. I'm currently hunting for a Mk2 22/45 with a 5 inch barrel and blue finish.
*Note: I do not own a Mk 3 and have very little experience with them.

wgaynor
April 20, 2011, 12:47 AM
I own a Mrk III 22/45 Target Pistol. It's my plinker and squirrel getter. Love to shoot it. Hate to clean it.

Practice breaking it down several times after you learn how to do it. Because when you forget, it sucks.

GLOOB
April 20, 2011, 04:22 AM
]ugly[/B] loaded chamber indicator and a bad magazine disconnect.
At least they made 1 minor cosmetic improvement. The safety billboard is stamped on the bottom of the barrel, instead of covering the left side. The safety indicator ain't pretty, but it's also not very noticeable. At least it's not bright orange. :)

The mag disconnect doesn't affect trigger pull, so far as I can tell. Once a mag is in, it moves out of the way. So as mag disconnects go, I wouldn't call this one bad. High Power mag disconnect = bad. SR9 mag safety that can damage the gun = bad. The only "bad" thing this disconnect does (aside from the take down dance) is hinder the mags from dropping freely. Course, compared to a heel release, that's not any worse. So this one is a "good" mag disconnect. But if you don't like a mag disconnect, then they're all bad! Mine remained on there for a few days while I figured out how to remove it. :)

Pilot
April 20, 2011, 09:13 AM
The LCI and the mag disconnect can be removed on the MK III. If I didn't have four MK II's, that's what I'd do. Or just buy another MK II. :evil:

Utahusker
April 20, 2011, 12:10 PM
Don't get the Mk 3, they "improved" the design with an ugly loaded chamber indicator and a bad magazine disconnect. The magazine disconnect messes up the trigger, keeps the mags from sliding in and out well, and makes disassembly a pain. I'm currently hunting for a Mk2 22/45 with a 5 inch barrel and blue finish.
*Note: I do not own a Mk 3 and have very little experience with them.
I think the MKIII with the LCI filler and removed mag disconnect is better than a MKII. My reasoning is, you have a MKII with a better mag release.

Black Butte
April 20, 2011, 12:31 PM
Get the Mark II if you can find one. The Mark III has been sissified by a myriad of unnecessary "safety" features.

tiro6
April 20, 2011, 12:49 PM
I like the feel of the 22/45. Just bought the threaded barrel model myself a couple months ago for $340 at my local shop. The grips feel really nice, and handles well. Very accurate shooter and ready for a suppressor when I can come up with the funds to get one.

butcherboy
April 20, 2011, 07:08 PM
everyone: if i bump my budget up to $400 ( including tax) is it feasible to get 2 used rugers or should i just get 1 new one.

im just trying to weigh all my options before i decide.

thanks for all the help/suggestions everyone. BB

CHEVELLE427
April 20, 2011, 07:59 PM
2 is better then 1

i have many thousand rounds out my MKII TARGET only thing i have had to do was change the bolt spring, it started jamming and i didn't notice just how week the spring was till i brought home another MKII that was lightly used

CCBPES34
April 20, 2011, 10:54 PM
I would go with a new MKIII for availability reasons, plus it's all metal. Even with all the safety features that are pointless, IMO. Also, head over to Rimfire Central and ask around. They have guides for everything, including ones to disable all those annoying safety features, and a member over there sells fillers for the LCI, so if you remove it, there won't be a giant slot in the side of the gun. There are plenty of aftermarket parts for these guns. So, you really could make it yours. http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121040
That's an entire picture thread of people's Rugers. Some nice looking guns, IMO

butcherboy
April 21, 2011, 04:20 PM
anyone deal with budsgunshop.com? my lgs has a very used mark II target for $290+. and a new mark III 22/45 model P512MKIII for $326. so...i looked at buds and fond the same 22/45 for 260 and my ffl only charges 20 for transfer. so im going to go this option once i get the cash for my shotgun.

CCBPES34
April 21, 2011, 09:11 PM
anyone deal with budsgunshop.com? my lgs has a very used mark II target for $290+. and a new mark III 22/45 model P512MKIII for $326. so...i looked at buds and fond the same 22/45 for 260 and my ffl only charges 20 for transfer. so im going to go this option once i get the cash for my shotgun.
I'd go for the Used MKII. All metal frame for $30, plus the ability to swap out the grips, if you'd like.
It doesn't have what Ruger's lawyers call "improvements." The LCI affects reliability, and is a pain to clean.

cavman
April 21, 2011, 09:16 PM
my post #6 shows the p512mkiii for $269

The website is down at this moment apparently

JoelSteinbach
April 22, 2011, 04:10 PM
Just picked up a Mark III Hunter, It was a joy to shoot and very accurate. I was even able to tear it down and put it back together in just a few minutes

butcherboy
April 28, 2011, 08:16 PM
update: ended up getting a new mark III target 5.5 blued bull barrel. i decided i like the steel grip frame over the polymer.

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