Want a revolver for CCW. Which one?


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jester88
April 20, 2011, 08:10 PM
Hi, looking for a second CCW rig. Wanted to get my 1st revolver. Some criteria for this; Small enough for appendix carry, yet gives a full grip (no pinky finger hanging off). But slim for summer wear. I would like a stainless, nickel or similar finish. .38 special is ok, .357 mag would be great. I am not interested in a taurus. Mostly looking at smith and wesson. Must be new. Must not have an internal lock. Must be sexy, with thin grips. Must be comfortable enough for all day carry which I would think would be under 28oz or so. Any ideas guys? Thanks! :)

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waidmann
April 20, 2011, 08:27 PM
Tough to reconcile new and no lock. I like the 3" Model 60.

Barkoff
April 20, 2011, 08:29 PM
Well for carry it is real hard to beat a S&W airlight in .38 stoked with +P. To get a .357 big enough that it won't hurt your hand, noway it will slip into your jeans pocket like a .38.

Personally I like the option of going single action, this would have been my choice had I not opted to save money with an LCP.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/images/firearms/detail_md/163050_01_md.jpg

Axel Larson
April 20, 2011, 08:36 PM
First for a carry I would suggest a Ruger sp101. I know they are not the best lookers but this is a carry gun you want, which means functionality over looks.

Doug Add
April 20, 2011, 08:38 PM
I know you said you are mainly looking at S&W, but my carry revolver meets most of your criteria. It is 26 oz., stainless, no lock, and full grip (you can get different grips, mine are Hogue cocobolo).

2.25" Ruger SP101

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p48/DougAdd/SP101Hogueleft.jpg

NMGonzo
April 20, 2011, 08:50 PM
sp101 ... because it doubles as hiking gun.

3 inch.

blindhari
April 20, 2011, 11:42 PM
You might take a look at Charter Arms On Duty/Off Duty in 38 sp. I have had poor results from thier guns a few years ago, but was pleasantly surprised by a new (2010) pistol.. I wear a vest cut for two of these, making a New York reload possible. They weigh 12 oz each and disappear in levi pocket, tucked in a belt, a vest, just about anywhere. Factory grip is longer than most snubs and fits me well. A total of more than 1200 practice rounds through my two and no problems so far.

blindhari

ArchAngelCD
April 20, 2011, 11:57 PM
IMO you are talking about a S&W M640 or M649. They are 23oz and will comfortably fire full power .357 Magnum ammo. Unfortunately they don't come new without a lock. There are several no-lock models available but in .357 Magnum they only have an 12oz Airlite with no lock. IMO that's too light for a magnum.

jester88
April 21, 2011, 05:28 PM
cant grips that cover the pinky be installed on an airweight 642/637? :confused:

PcolaDawg
April 21, 2011, 05:47 PM
cant grips that cover the pinky be installed on an airweight 642/637? :confused:
I have a CT grip on my 642 and it is long enough to fit my pinky finger when I grip it. It's an EXTREMELY comfortable grip and the button placement for the laser is perfect.

CT grips ain't cheap, but they are nice.

Here's what mine looks like:

http://inlinethumb42.webshots.com/10921/2078007270102497756S600x600Q85.jpg

MtnSpur
April 21, 2011, 06:10 PM
cant grips that cover the pinky be installed on an airweight 642/637? :confused:

Ahrends has a "combat" (finger grooved) grip for a J frame S&W that extends below the frame strap thus allowing the pinkie to get into the action on the grip ;) . I carry a S&W Airweight with factory grips and don't mind the pinkie "under" the grip.

WebHobbit
April 21, 2011, 06:14 PM
IMO you are talking about a S&W M640 or M649. They are 23oz and will comfortably fire full power .357 Magnum ammo. Unfortunately they don't come new without a lock. There are several no-lock models available but in .357 Magnum they only have an 12oz Airlite with no lock. IMO that's too light for a magnum.

The 640 may be somewhat comfortable to fire .357s in but it doesn't take the abuse very well at all. I wore mine out firing Magnums. See here:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=26219

I switched to a Ruger SP101.

Manta77
April 21, 2011, 06:22 PM
SP101 is great because Ruger add-ons are readily available just about anywhere to make it look the way you want. Also you aren't stuck with .38 as it is available as a .357 so you can shoot either one you want.

Specs
April 21, 2011, 08:29 PM
Take a look at the Ruger LCR357. It handles 357 mag with ease. It handles 38 spec +p even easier, weighs 17 oz and I carry mine in Wrangler relaxed fit jeans. It's a perfect CCW.

OldCavSoldier
April 21, 2011, 08:38 PM
My vote goes to S&W M640 or M60. Don't let the lock sway you. You can take sure steps that they never inadvertently activate, or, you never worry about losing your key after you activate the lock. I fixed mine for about 2 cents cost.

WebHobbit
April 21, 2011, 08:42 PM
Before anyone considers a 640 you really need to read this whole thread:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=26219

Smaug
April 21, 2011, 11:40 PM
All others that would normally meet your criteria, only support a two-finger hold, unless you immediately put aftermarket grips on it.

Deaf Smith
April 21, 2011, 11:43 PM
Hi, looking for a second CCW rig. Wanted to get my 1st revolver. Some criteria for this; Small enough for appendix carry, yet gives a full grip (no pinky finger hanging off). But slim for summer wear. I would like a stainless, nickel or similar finish. .38 special is ok, .357 mag would be great. I am not interested in a taurus. Mostly looking at smith and wesson. Must be new. Must not have an internal lock. Must be sexy, with thin grips. Must be comfortable enough for all day carry which I would think would be under 28oz or so. Any ideas guys? Thanks! :)
S&W makes the 640 in .357 magnum.

Find an older one without the kiddie lock.

Then have an action job done (or do it yourself, it isn't all that hard) and you have a very powerful belly gun.

Barring that, find a Smith 2 inch 64 .38 and use Buffalo Bore 158gr LSWHPs. 1000 fps from that 2 inch tube (and I know cause I chronoed them myself from my 2 inch 64.)

Deaf

Haywireranch
April 22, 2011, 08:31 AM
Bought my wife the air weight 637 s&w 38 liked the size and way it shot I went out and bought me the 642 both are great guns.

PabloJ
April 22, 2011, 09:29 AM
I put S&W .38 37-2 DAO revolver on hold. It looks unused and $325 seems like very good price. It is not +P rated on the barrel but I would not want to use those in 1lb gun anyway. I concluded that small light revolvers are better pocket weapons then those mini automatics.

MCgunner
April 22, 2011, 01:31 PM
Well, I was out shooting my little Taurus 85SSUL this morning. I LOVE that little tack driver. I've owned it for since 1996, 15 years. Beautifully smooth DA, just a great little pocket revolver. Every time I shoot it, I fall for it again. :D

The little 85 is 17 ounces and +P isn't bad in it, stiff, but not like .357 in a 12 ounce gun or something. I shot wadcutter in it this morning, though, 200 rounds. Shot 50 out of my P64 Radom in 9x18. It abuses my hand worse than the little Taurus with wadcutter, but the +P is a might stiffer. I carry +P in it when I carry it.

ColtPythonElite
April 22, 2011, 01:48 PM
Another vote for the SP....

Guns&Religion
April 22, 2011, 02:15 PM
This was my choice for CCW, and I do not regret purchasing it.
It's still my favorite conceal carry firearm.
I barely know I have it on me. (S&W 638, .38SP +P)

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/6829/638pi.jpg

P.S. Get a couple of Safariland Comp 1 Speed Loaders, whichever snubby you end up with.

Sassi
April 22, 2011, 02:30 PM
Do you want a heavy revolver (one over 20 ounces) or a light weight revolver (one that weighs 12 to 19 ounces)? I love my Ruger SP101 357 magnum, but it is not a pocket gun. It is too heavy for general pocket carry. A pocket gun needs to be light enough to not pull your pants down. I can tell you from expereince that anything weighing more than 16 ounces will be felt, and will cause you to cinch up your belt a few notches. Do you want or need a revolver with a hammer? That would be the second issue after deciding on the weight of a revolver you want to carry. For years I pocket carried a 38 special with a hammer and loved it. I now pocket carry a S&W model 642 (no hammer) and I love it just as much. Do you need a 357 magnum or just a 38 special that allows you to shoot plus P ammo? You will not like a light weight 357 magnum. Kicks like a ton of mules!! You will like a light weight 38 special that allows you to shoot plus P ammo, IMHO.

bcp280z
April 22, 2011, 02:33 PM
I'm with G&R, my first revolver that I now use as edc is my 438, but now that I see a longer barrel version avail, I'm jealous. At least mine's black ;) Some times I have to check to make sure it's still on me, very comfy/light. 38 +P should stop/kill someone just as easily as 357 at 10yds.

Real tough to get a no lock new, lest you find some collector's estate or so on gunbroker. Not sure if Ruger makes snubs.

If not speedloaders, Bianchi speed strips, more linear.

RevDerb
April 22, 2011, 08:54 PM
Ruger SP101 2 1/4" bbl with Crimson Trace grips. .357 mag.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn268/RevDerb/Handguns/RugerSP101003.jpg

asia331
April 23, 2011, 03:03 AM
Lightweight is perfect... right up until you pull the trigger. Frankly I wouldn't go any lighter than an SP101. With a proper rig concealing my 4" GP100 is no snag at all.

jester88
April 23, 2011, 02:52 PM
id like to go bigger. but a search of the web reveals no pictures of anyone concealing a revolver, only autos.

SwampWolf
April 23, 2011, 03:15 PM
My choice is an older Colt Cobra/Agent. 20% more ammunition than a J-frame chambered in .38 Special, weighs the same and is only fractionally bigger than an Airweight. Cobras/Agents can still be found in good condition for under $500.00 and they will retain their high resale value.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
April 23, 2011, 05:22 PM
I like my S&W 642 aluminum & stainless five-shot Air-weight 38 Special +P a LOT.

ironhead7544
April 23, 2011, 05:53 PM
For a primary carry gun I would go with a 3 inch 357 Mag SP101. IWB in the appendix position. 110 gr 357 Mag ammo. Will also work nicely as a trail gun. Its large enough to get good results at longer ranges than a 2 inch lightweight.

snooperman
April 23, 2011, 06:11 PM
That is easy. Any of the J-frame guns with 2" barrels and Hogue grips would allow you get all your fingers around the grip just fine for better control. You can get them either in 38 special and some in .357 magnum as well.

snooperman
April 23, 2011, 06:14 PM
S&W model 642 in 38 special about 15 oz or the model 60 in 357 mag. about 23.5 oz.

Gordon
April 23, 2011, 06:31 PM
Just to be different. 6 Shots 14 Oz, 3" 25 yard groups in SA fire.fits in pocket too BTW a smidgen bigger than a J frame airweight
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i203/gordonhulme/006-2.jpg

ColtPythonElite
April 24, 2011, 03:09 AM
Not too different from me.:D This one rides in my front pocket a good bit of the time.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=135620&d=1296792815

JCallaway82
April 24, 2011, 04:01 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_G-EWSfJ1PwE/TCGdTcfftyI/AAAAAAAABc8/zVC81KQiywA/s1600/5450.jpg
Optional CT grips
http://gunsforsale.com/ghg/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/ruger_lcr_05.jpg

huntershooter
April 24, 2011, 12:50 PM
My favorite CC revolver is a mod. 12-2 S&W, lightly modified:

http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b434/huntershooter/mod%2012/006.jpg

http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b434/huntershooter/mod%2012/004-1.jpg

http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b434/huntershooter/mod%2012/003.jpg

SwampWolf
April 24, 2011, 04:16 PM
Very nice looking Model 12, huntershooter.

wrs840
April 24, 2011, 08:09 PM
My favorite pocket-carry J-frame is a S&W 637 with a 2-1/2bbl in a DeSantis Nemesis.

FWIW

jimniowa
April 24, 2011, 08:35 PM
The wife and I both can carry, hers is a Taurus .32 H&R mag in a 2" ported gun. Mine is a Taurus .44 sp in a 2" ported gun. I am not a big fan of Taurus but these two guns filled our needs at the time. I still slip the .44sp in the hip pocket for carry on a informal occasion. For real time ccw I am working on a 3" Kimber in .45 acp, which I believe is the main carry street gun for me.
Jim

Mr.357Sig
April 24, 2011, 09:27 PM
My vote would be the LCR 357, S&W Model 640 or M&P 340. As long as you don't feed your j-frame-sized pocket pistol a constant diet of magnum loads, you should be fine. Practice with mostly .38s and you're good to go.

mystic82
April 25, 2011, 08:32 AM
S&W M&P 340 357 MAG. is my choice for CCW.

However I really like the SP101. S&W 640 as well.(shoots....I love them all.)
The LCR looks interesting, but something about it just doesn't suit me.

Usmc-1
April 25, 2011, 11:50 AM
Ive never had any ccw revolvers , but have been giving it some thought lately , with that said , do I really need a .357 ? I mean some of those .38 +p rounds make it mighty enticing ?

JCallaway82
April 25, 2011, 07:07 PM
@USMC-1

Nah, you don't need it. But it sure is nice to have such a variety of rounds that you can shoot from a single gun. A few guys I know that carry j-frames exclusively carry .357s with +P ammo, and shoot a ton of plain ole' .38 special mixed in with some +p at the range.

Seems they only shoot the .357 here and there for novelty...
Nice options though....38...cheap ammo when plinking, but can pack a punch for a defensive round when you get some of the new +p stuff. Funny, neither guy carries .357 in the gun for SD. Although it has a wallop, they both have shot so much +p that they carry that in their CC guns. I guess if the "SHTF" they want rounds they know they can make good hits with...

Makes sense I guess.

They convinced me to buy an LCR in .357....still waiting on it...:(

But not a must have I'm sure.

diablo2184
April 25, 2011, 09:04 PM
But what about a .357 for pocket carry?

I see you guys mentioned for ccw but what about if I'm wearing a formal attire or can wear one on the hip?

Murcielago
April 25, 2011, 09:58 PM
S&W M&P 340 357 MAG. is my choice for CCW.

Mine too. Bought mine new in January without the internal lock. Will handle .357 if you're feeling masochistic. Swap the grips out for whatever you want. 14 oz. unloaded.

WebHobbit
April 26, 2011, 06:00 AM
Is that somehow more sturdy than an all steel S&W 640? If not then no it WON'T handle .357 Magnums. At least not MANY of them. See here:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=26219

CZF
April 28, 2011, 04:09 PM
Ruger LCR in either 38+P or .357 Mag.
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/115/lcr198.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/i/lcr198.jpg/)


Light to carry with a smoother action than most J frames.

I won't own a charter.

No ugly/funky lock to mess up that i know of.

My last and final J frame locked up tight on me after 5 rounds of factory 38 Special.
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8620/lcr15.jpg
Traded it for a Ruger LCR and never looked back.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/Rugers/lcr-8.jpg

JCallaway82
April 28, 2011, 10:30 PM
@CZF What holster is that? Looks real slim and like it sits real low. I like it.

I have been debating getting either one of these...
Bell Charter LCR Holster $79
http://bellcharteroakholsters.com/hiddenasset.jpg


..or getting on the long list for a Milt Sparks(22-30 weeks right now :O )...but what you have there looks real nice. Any information is greatly appreciated.

jester88
April 29, 2011, 08:34 PM
Thanks all. Today I picked her up, a new s&w 642 airweight with NO LOCK for 340 OTD. I really, really like this BUG.

WebHobbit
April 29, 2011, 09:44 PM
I been carrying this SP101 2&1/4 inch .357 Magnum for several years now. I use a Galco high-ride OWB holster and load it with Remington 125gr .357 Magnum Golden Sabers. These are medium velocity rounds and aint too bad in the SP101.

Click the "thumbnails" below to view larger versions:



http://lrpctech.com/pics/ngunpix/s-sp101.jpg

(http://lrpctech.com/pics/ngunpix/sp101.jpg)



http://lrpctech.com/pics/ngunpix/s-sp101muzzle.jpg

(http://lrpctech.com/pics/ngunpix/sp101muzzle.jpg)

I just placed an order with Lobo Gun-leather for an OWB holster to fit a 3 inch SP101 and I plan on getting one around the first of June. The 3 inch will become my Winter Carry.

jester88
April 29, 2011, 10:05 PM
^^ thats a sweet looking sp101. it ended up i needed a BUG so i went with the 642. otherwise it would be a sp101 for me too! need one for each hand, ya know. 642 will be my weakside mika pocket carry ;)

burley
April 29, 2011, 10:26 PM
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt309/burley_bucket/swgrip.jpg

Does your pinky fit on the stock boot grip?

jester88
April 29, 2011, 10:38 PM
It fits like yours. I call it a 2 and a half grip, for me anyway. Got skinny fingers. The hold is rock solid though.

kbbailey
April 29, 2011, 11:28 PM
Sp101

WebHobbit
April 29, 2011, 11:31 PM
kbbailey - You have a version of that bigger than a postage stamp?

:D

dirtykid
April 30, 2011, 11:05 AM
www.gunsamerica.com/.../Ruger.../SP101.../Ruger_Sp101_TALO_ 357magnum_Spl_Edition.htm - Cached
Alright who said my gun was ugly ??
I put a set of black-over-molded CT-grips on this, she's an eye catcher !!
Too heavy for pocket carry ? maybe but i never forget it's there.
I prefer to nestle it in my Galco-fletch belt-jolster, I get ALOT of compliments from local Po-Po, many have told me it's TOO nice to carry.

dirtykid
April 30, 2011, 11:07 AM
Many have asked me where the BBQ is taking place also,, :rolleyes:

savit260
April 30, 2011, 11:36 AM
A little more lightweight Colt love here.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c337/savit260/rnadom%20stuff/zIMG_0608.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c337/savit260/rnadom%20stuff/zIMG_0609.jpg
In a pocket
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c337/savit260/rnadom%20stuff/IMG_0824.jpg
or on the belt.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c337/savit260/IMG_1025.jpg

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