Which Ruger auto?


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natedog
January 11, 2004, 05:21 PM
I want a 9mm automatic pistol, and I've been told that Rugers make excellent first auto's as they are reliable, tough as nails, and can withstand "newbie" mistakes. But which one? I'm thinking a DA/SA (unless they offer a single action only). I'd prefer an all black finish (no two tone guns). I'm not sure on polymer frames or not...which is cheaper? Has cheaper mags?

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George Hill
January 11, 2004, 05:24 PM
Is this a trick question? None.

CWatson
January 11, 2004, 05:35 PM
P-95DC. A poly frame 9mm.Mine is reliable and is accurate.I like the decocker only version because I do not like slide mounted safties.

CWatson

natedog
January 11, 2004, 05:57 PM
Care to elaborate, George? Why (besides political reasons) shouldn't one choose Ruger?

10-Ring
January 11, 2004, 06:06 PM
I have most my experience /w Ruger's 22s, but I have shot a couple of their pistols...one in 45 acp, the other 9mm. The thing about them both was that they totally reliable, a tad heavy & chunky and at best only average in its accuracy. In my book, they're nice values for the budget minded.

greyhound
January 11, 2004, 06:17 PM
I don't have the 9mm, but in its brother .45 P97 the decocker only model is my choice, since the safety model doesn't allow "cocked and locked" access(it automatically decocks once the safety is engaged).

The heavy initial DA pull seems to be safe, IMHO.

Gary A
January 11, 2004, 06:27 PM
I see no reason to not choose a Ruger auto whether for a first auto or not. My favorite is the P95 but all of them are very reliable, very durable, accurate enough, reasonably priced, and backed by great customer service should it be needed. Some like the .45 or .40 versions over the 9mm. Some like the (very) beefy aluminum frame over the newer polymer, and people have different tastes in DAO, Decock-only, or Safety models. Standard capacity magazines are still available at relatively reasonable cost. Factory ten rounders are inexpensive and reliable. My P95 is, in my hands at least, as accurate off-hand as any 9mm I shoot, certainly enough for any reasonable requirement outside of bullseye shooting. Personally, I find the polymer frames of the 95 and 97 to be incredibly tough and durable. And, compared side by side with other 9mm service pistols, it just is not as big and bulky as its reputation would imply. It is lightweight and equivalent to a Sig 229 in size, or a Glock 19 slide on a Glock 17 frame. Seems to me all pistols using a Sig-type lockup are a bit thick in the slide compared to a Browning-type lock, e.g. Hi-Power. Practically, that seems to make little or no difference, IMO. Right now a blued P95 can be had for slightly over $300 and a stainless in the mid $300s. It may not be the best pistol out there, but it does so many things well or adequately with such reliability and durability at such a low cost that it can easily be argued to be one of the best bargains available, newbie or not. Just MO.

Dave Markowitz
January 11, 2004, 07:12 PM
The Ruger P89 (AL frame) or P89 (polymer frame) are solid, reliable-as-heck semiautos for a good price. If you want standard cap mags, CDNN has Mec-Gars in stock that should work very well. Stay away from USA mags, which are junk.

If you aren't wedded to a DA auto, consider a Browning High Power or one of the less expensive clones from Argentina or Hungary.

rde
January 11, 2004, 07:28 PM
Have both the P89 in stainless with the safety/decocker and the P95 in stainless that is decocker only. Like the 95 a little better simply because it is a little smaller and between my 2 I shoot the 95 a little more accurately. I have nothing negative to say about either. Absolutely reliable to say the least.

denfoote
January 11, 2004, 07:32 PM
Another nod to the P95!!

mini14jac
January 13, 2004, 07:37 AM
I had a P95DC for a few years.
Sold it because I'm stupid.
(Wanted to buy another gun, and didn't want to wait. :rolleyes: :banghead: )

I found factory 15rd mags for an average of $30 each.
I don't think it jammed once in 1500+ rounds.
I was very pleased with the accuracy, shootability, and reliability of the gun.

It was on the chunky side, but I really liked the way it felt in my hand, especially when it had 15 rounds of +P ammo on board.

Can you tell that I miss it?

Brigrat
January 13, 2004, 04:06 PM
I vote for the P95 DC, mine has many thousands of accurate and reliable rounds through it without a hiccup. All 9mm Rugers use the same mags, so that is not an issue, the P93, or P94 are similar in size to the P95, but with aluminum frames, and consequently more unneeded weight. The P89 is aluminum framed, and slightly larger than the other Ruger 9mm's. I like the P89, but the P95 works better for me for CCW, and daily carry, as it is lighter, and smaller. You will not be disappointed with any Ruger Semi in my opinion. And remember, most Ruger haters hate Rugers for political misconception reasons, not reliability issues, and there are always two sides to every political argument. Good luck with you decision.

killermarmot
January 13, 2004, 05:25 PM
I just fired a ruger in 9 and in 45 a couple days ago and my choice would be none. They feel like holding a raw rubber coated potato with a bunny attatched to the slide. It felt cumbersome . Kind of like how the S&W auto loaders are. If you want a first 9mm I would heavily recomend a sig like the 239 which is absolutley amazing and indestructable or a glock. A beretta 92 seems like a good obvious choice except for the ungodly like 15lb double action. Been personaly I would choose no Ruger unless it's a revolver.

Zeke Menuar
January 13, 2004, 06:33 PM
There are so many other choices for 9mm, Ruger would be my last choice. I have personal experience with the P-95 and Ruger's vaunted customer service and I'd rather not have a gun then have a Ruger.
If price is a factor look at a FEG Hi-Power clone, some of the CZ 9mm pistols or even a Glock police trade in. There are many other choices out there other than Ruger at an affordable price.

ZM

George S.
January 13, 2004, 07:08 PM
just felt right in my hand when I was shopping for a 9mm. Looked at the Beretta 92FS and Glock but they just didn't have the right feel and balance for me.

I settled on the manual safety P89 Davidson's Special (P89TH) with the Hogue grips as those grips felt even better than the regular plastic grips. It's a two-tone but not a big contrast like the KP (stainless) versions. Although it only came with one mag, it still was a good deal at the time. I paid $340 including 8% tax and got in on last years $40 rebate coupon.

I have about 700 rounds through it so far; a mix of Winchester White Box in 115gr FMJ and S&B 115gr FMJ. This is currently my home defense gun and I tested about 100 rounds of Remington Golden Saber 124gr JHP's and did not have a single failure. At 25yds, I can easily get 3" groups with the factory 3-dot sights.

sturmruger
January 13, 2004, 07:43 PM
I love to hear everyone bash on Ruger. People always like to rip on who is on top. Ruger is the largest gun manufacturer in the US so they tend to get the most flak.


I just picked up 50 shares of Ruger's stock. I decided that if I own so many of their guns I should support them by buying some of thier stock. Needless to say I have a biased opinion.

wenger
January 13, 2004, 08:02 PM
I have owned close to a dozen P series in all the calibers and I will give you my impressions.

The P95 grip is too slippery in my hand. The gun wants to twist in my hand. You can put a hogue handall on it, but then it's fatter then a hog. The magazine retention system on the 9mm is the weak link. The ambidextrous levers stick out like canoe paddles. I carried a P95 in an IWB holsters and I would frequently bumb the right side magazine release lever and release the magazine just enough to turn my P95 in to a single shot.

I had another P95 that would drop the magaine out of the gun under recoil. It did it with both new magazines. For some reason magazine retention is better in the alloy framed models. I don't know why, but I don't trust the P95 as a carry gun for that reason.

The P89 is big, clunky and reliable. You can't go wrong with them. They are too big for practical concealed carry. The P94 is better and the P93 is better yet. The P93 is essentially an alloy framed versiosn of the P95, or more correctly, the P95 is the polymer version of the P93. I think the P93 is the most desireable 9mm Ruger, but for some reason it is seldom seen.

The P97 is the polymer frame .45 acp and it has developed a good reputation. It initially had problems with the extractor and the slide stop working it's way out of the gun under recoil. Ruger has taken care of that and by all reports the P97 is a good gun. The grip feels much better in my hand then the P95.

The P90 is an outstandingly accurate .45 acp and is just as accurate as my Gold Cup. It feeds and fires virtually anything and is a real tank. The P90 was originally designed around the 10mm, until Bill Ruger changed his mind and didn't offer it. The P90 has the traditional magazine catch and is a much better design.

Ruger P series are strong, reliable, chunky, affordable guns. Their accuracy is average, except for the P90 which has a reputation for outstanding accuracy. I don't trust the P95 version because of the weak magazine catch, but maybe that's just me. Most people on the web say they have had no problems with that. I've seen enough with it that I won't own another P95.

I prefer the Glock or the CZ over the Ruger.


John

Roger Williams
January 13, 2004, 10:49 PM
The P93DC is one hell of a gun for $299. I see them at gun shows all the time for that price. Get a gunsmith to do a trigger job on it and you'll have a very tough, reliable, accurate, and carryable pistol...and it won't break the bank.

NavajoNPaleFace
January 13, 2004, 11:11 PM
I have the 'old' P85 Ruger (the fore runner of what youu see today), a Beretta 92, CS75B and Sig P239.

My choices (great to bad) is the reverse of how I listed them.

I hate to say it but I think Ruger is over rated and my 85 is not the choice I'd make again.

i honestly can't speak for the newer generation Ruger autos.

I think Ruger makes very good revolvers and long guns, but, once again, my 85 is a piece of crappola.

mini14jac
January 15, 2004, 08:16 AM
I meant to type "16 rounds of +P ammo on board" in my post above, but anyway.....

I felt for years that all Ruger handguns were too "chunky" for my hands.
After a lot of research, I decided to see if I could make myself like one.
The real kicker was, I wanted hi-cap mags, and was tired of the $100+ that Glock mags were going for. :fire:

After shooting my P95 for a while, I actually added the Hogue slip on grip.
Even though this made the grip bigger, I really liked the way it felt.
Yes, it is a handful, but I soon learned to really like the hand-filling grip.
It felt substantial, like I was holding a real gun.

Rugers are not for everybody.
Neither are Glocks, Sigs, CZs, etc.
You'll have to decide.

Good luck.

greyhound
January 15, 2004, 08:25 PM
The P95 grip is too slippery in my hand

I agree, my P97 was too. The Hogue Handall fixed that 100%. At first I also thought it was fat as a hog, but I got used to it and since CCW is not an option here in MD its not a problem for me.

As far as having problems with the P95's ambi mag release at least on the P97 it has only right hand release. Once again, since I can't CCW, I haven't had any problems here.

Ruger P-series are kinda odd. They were developed to compete in the US Army trials to replace the 1911, and while they have evolved into a complete line they seem to have run into two problems (both related to CCW):

1/ Bill Ruger is on record as not being in favor of high capacity mags, and in addition to that a lot of Ruger's politics have PO'd the staunch 2A folks.

2/ Related, Ruger P series really aren't CCW friendly, and per point 1, the company has not really gone out of its way to accomodate this growing market (though there are lots of rumors about it).


Overall, I think the Ruger P series is a good pistol for goofing around at the range or for Home Defense. I know people do carry them, but they seem not to be the optimal choice for CCW (what do I know though, I live in "May-issue/really No Issue" MD :D ).

Plus they are inexpensive, which is a good point. Hey , if Ruger wants to shut out the CCW/self defense market and concentrate on hunting and target shooting, that's their funeral. Stop selling pistols and Mini-14s and see where that lands 'em. That may have played in the 1990s, but post 9/11 Americans are more self-defense oriented, so I hope some of these rumores about Ruger changing direction and developing a concealable pistol are true.

Anyway, just me .02....

Flashpoint
January 15, 2004, 08:58 PM
Get one like this...

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-4/148376/EXFKIUZBPRKWLQKPCFHI-rugerknife.JPG

It was my first handgun and a pretty darn good one at that. I would still have it but I traded it for a small 9mm that I could carry, didn't have the money to buy outright.

Smaller 9mm below...
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-4/148376/g2.JPG





with the infamous teacup hold:neener:

mini14jac
January 16, 2004, 07:08 AM
The magazine retention system on the 9mm is the weak link. The ambidextrous levers stick out like canoe paddles. I carried a P95 in an IWB holsters and I would frequently bumb the right side magazine release lever and release the magazine just enough to turn my P95 in to a single shot.

I had another P95 that would drop the magaine out of the gun under recoil. It did it with both new magazines. For some reason magazine retention is better in the alloy framed models. I don't know why, but I don't trust the P95 as a carry gun for that reason.

The mag release buttons basically suck.
I called and talked to a Ruger gunsmith. He gave me instructions on how to cut them down, and sent two free replacement buttons, "in case I messed mine up". :D
Now, they are flush, like on the P97.

If a Ruger is dropping factory mags, it needs work at the factory, if you don't think you can do the work yourself.
They have excellent customer service.

Unless you are hitting the mag release levers, this is not a common problem with any Ruger gun.
Mine would drop aftermarket mags while firing, but none of the 8 factory mags ever had this problem.

boss_spearman
January 16, 2004, 11:22 AM
ya gotta love these people that think the polymer framed p series rugers are " clunky"..but then suggest a glock...

Baron Holbach4
January 16, 2004, 11:45 AM
My research has led me to conclude the P89 and P90 are the best Ruger autos.

The Mighty Beagle
January 16, 2004, 01:41 PM
Rugers do nothing well except feed reliably. Everything else about them is kind of mediocre as autos go. People on here may live with that but after 2 Rugers I couldn't, so I moved on to other autos.

Sure they're reliable, but I needed more than that. I mean, lots of guns are reliable, even some cheap ones. And most have better triggers, better accuracy, better ergonomics, better looks, and better conealability.

My advice - spend a little more money to get a LOT better gun. Most Ruger owners like them but grow beyond their potential and buy other guns. My gun dealer buddy says that a guy who'll buy a Ruger will be trading it shortly.

Look at the used police pistol market - Beretta, Glock, Smith and Wesson autos of any stripe are available at insanely low prices. I've had 6 Smith surplus autos (and a couple revolvers) and can tell you they are much better 'cheap' guns in every way.

tc300mag1
January 16, 2004, 01:55 PM
I have a p-90 and i like it i carry it or my Hk so it decocks when safty is engaged i carry it decocked safty off same as my HK it no less safe than a revolver which is double action with no safty :)

Andrew Rothman
January 16, 2004, 04:39 PM
I carry a KP95DC -- daily. I initially bought a blued one, but when carrying in deep cover (SmartCarry), blued steel WILL RUST!!

I now have the stainless and love it.


Is it too big? Naw.


As for those who say Rugers aren't accurate, ask Masaad Ayoob which gun he used to win a national shooting title. Answer: An unmodified Ruger P-series in .45!

Everyone here has their own biases, obviously, but for my money you won't find a more reliable, affordable pistol.

(That said, I would love a cute little Kahr as an alternate carry gun, but 16 rounds is more than seven no matter how many times I count.)

Jamie B
January 17, 2004, 11:58 AM
I guess that I will jump in, also.

I have a P89 manual safety in SS that was my first auto.
Totally reliable, and 15 roung mags are easy to acquire.
I have had this guy for quite a few years.

I also have a P90 decocker in SS. Again, drop-dead reliable.
I prefer a manual safety myself, but I got such a good deal on the decocker model that I bought it anyhow.
The mag release button on my P90 is better that the P89.

I replaced the stock grip panels with, I believe, Hogue rubber, which made a fantastic improvement in handling.

Overall, I prefer my SW1911, but I will NEVER sell the Rugers.
They are strong as hell, a little chunky, but they always run like champs.

I would like to try a P97 due to slightly reduced weight and bulk, but I am in no hurry.

The trigger pulls are acceptable, but I recognize the fact that these Rugers are not match guns.
I am willing to trade off a perfect trigger for absolute reliability.

I would recommend either Ruger, but what you purchase is dependent upon your individual needs.

YMMV....

Jamie

Flashpoint
January 17, 2004, 01:09 PM
Rugers do nothing well except feed reliably. Everything else about them is kind of mediocre as autos go.

I'd have to disagree, although my experience with Rugers is limited to my own P89. It was more accurate than I was, and I have seen far worse triggers, and so far the Ruger has been what my wife has shot the best with.

standingbear
January 17, 2004, 01:36 PM
i have tried the p89,91 and 90 models.they all were reliable and easy to clean but i hated that rattle when they were in a holster-alot of slop in the fit which is probably why they work so well.of the 3..the p90 in 45 was the most accurate.the 91 in 40 the worst...and the 9mm 89 acceptable.im not totally convinced on plastic frames yet...have not tried any so i cant comment.just my .02 cents

orangeninja
January 17, 2004, 03:57 PM
even though I had massive problems with a P97. I recommend the p95 for a couple of reasons.

1. cheap ammo = lots of practice.

2. lots of practice = becoming a good shooter

3. high cap mags are everywhere and relatively cheap.

4. reliable even if combat accurate.

5. If you break it or it gets stolen, dropped or screwed up...your not out 600 clams. And damned if Ruger won't fix it.

6. almost impossible to break...their big...cluncky and unrefined but thats only because they are modeled after a tank.

Guyon
January 17, 2004, 06:43 PM
It chaps my buns when folks ask a perfectly good question here, and then forumites have to chime in with totally off topic responses. The man asked, "which Ruger auto?" (should be semi-auto). He didn't ask, "Should I buy a Ruger or something else?"

I'll put in a vote for the P95DC. I've shot a number of Rugers, and the P95 has been the best bang for the buck. 9mm Para offers a host of ammo options and, as many have noted, cheap practice ammo.

At an advanced pistol class, we ran a drill where each person in the class (six of us I think) placed his or her pistol into some type of condition where it would not shoot. Then, a student would go down the line of pistols and clear each one (Tap, Rack, Ready) before firing two shots to COM.

After the drill, one lady came up and asked about my P95, claiming it was the smoothest shooting of the bunch. I had to laugh when the instructor told her she'd be better off with a Glock because Rugers have too many bells and whistles. I thought my pistol shot better than the Glocks and SIGs in the class too.

Marko Kloos
January 17, 2004, 06:55 PM
All the Ruger centerfire autopistols are built like tanks, they all function well, and they're all ugly as sin and more portly than Rosie on a Krispy Kreme diet.

I'm not a fan of their centerfire autos at all, although I'll readily concede that they do the job. I could probably live with one as a defensive piece if I had no other choice.

If someone gave me a Ruger autochucker for free, I'd pick a slabsided Mark II in stainless and bypass the centerfires altogether.

Gary A
January 17, 2004, 07:27 PM
I suppose that much is in the eye of the beholder and the definition of "big" but I believe that if most folks compared a P95 side by side with any number of comparable autoloaders from Sig, Beretta, CZ, and Glock they might be very surprised. P95s are a bit thick right amidships of the frame but they are definitely comparable to many other autoloaders that do not have the "portly" reputation. It always sounds as if they are being described as obese rather than chubby, when a little chubby is lot more accurate a term. Robust is even better. Of course, I also don't find them to be ugly. I'm looking at a blued P95D right now and frankly find it to be a rather attractive pistol in design, form, and execution. Oh yeah, I am still looking for the bells and whistles on my portly Ruger. It all depends on personal taste.

orangeninja
January 17, 2004, 07:44 PM
I don't consider a 2 tone poly Ruger ugly at all. I kind of think they're neat. Do they look like a stainless Sig 220? no....but they don't look half bad either. I still vote for the P95.....BUT.....if you want a .45 the old school P90 is still the king of the hill. Has anyone else ever had problems with the P97? In mine the friggin slide lock would keep popping out during shooting, which would lock the pistol up tighter than a drum. I sent it back to Ruger twice before they just put a whole new frame on it. That seemed to do the trick but I lost so much confidence in the thing I couldn't bring myself to carry it anymore. I kind of wish I had kept it.

Merc40
January 21, 2004, 09:40 PM
I purchased a P-98 in 1994 and have never had a single issue with it. It is accurate and very reliable. I would recommend it to anyone!

BHPshooter
January 21, 2004, 11:22 PM
Why (besides political reasons) shouldn't one choose Ruger?

Aren't political reasons good enough? :confused:

I love to hear everyone bash on Ruger. People always like to rip on who is on top.

<stifled laughter> Uh, yeah, that's it. </stifled laughter> :rolleyes:

I decided that if I own so many of their guns I should support them by buying some of thier stock.

It's just too bad that Ruger won't support the natural rights of those that support them. Seriously, that's what turns me completely from Ruger. I'd sure like to try out a GP-100 or (I can't believe I'm saying it) a P-89, but I can't get past how we've been sold down the river.

Wes

Merc40
January 21, 2004, 11:58 PM
I am going off topic (just like others are). If we do not support firearms manufacturers that build their weapons in the USA one day you may not be able to purchase one. Norinco was recently banned to further importation of firearms (or anything else) by the stoke of a pen from Washington.

If you havent looked lately a lot of the manufacturers are building them off shore. We need each other. If Ruger has shortcomings so does some of the other manufacturers I will not name.

What good would it do to have a second amendment that cannot be exercised via no gun manufacturers?

mrapathy2000
January 22, 2004, 01:28 AM
yeah norinco is a good example. you know why they were banned? it is not cause they just make guns. besides some of the parts are probably made in force labor camps and personally I dont like to support such stuff to begin with cause I dont want to see that crap getting over here. is it truely bad we dont buy a chinese good and lesson the deficit? I dont want to support a communist general or the PLA army. btw 2,000 chinese military owned companies in the United States trying to steal anything they can here. they will steal anything from a company in theyre own country its one way they got USA rocket technology. Clinton admin held no one accountable for that incident.

now ruger and smith both have done wrong but they can change and smith has changed some but if you want more change well start writing them and telling them what consumers want.

"Wild Geese"
April 19, 2010, 07:44 PM
I have a KP90DC 45 ACP SS Decocker...I've had pistols costing twice as much, but I find my Ruger more trustworthy it goes BOOM everytime. It's certainly not a competition target pistol, but its plenty accurate in a gun fight should one arise.

mgmorden
April 19, 2010, 08:33 PM
The original post is almost 6.5 years old. I'm sure he's made his decision by now ;).

MCgunner
April 19, 2010, 10:46 PM
I have a P85, owned a P95, and have a P90. It's my personal opinion that, by a long shot, the best P gun Ruger ever made was the KP90DC. However, if you want 9x19, my pick would be the P95. Lighter, small enough for IWB. Handles well. The P85 is just as good, but a might heavier if you're going to carry. Even when I had the P95, though, I preferred to carry the P90. Not just the .45 Caliber, the 9 makes up for that with capacity, but the P90 has a far superior trigger and the accuracy is target quality. The 9x shoot about 3" at 25 yards off the bench, the P90 gets 1.5" and points and shoots better off hand for me, for some reason. I just have more confidence in it. The transition from DA to SA on the P90 is very good, the P95 not so much.

That's just the ones I owned, don't mean they're all like that I reckon. I never fired the SR9, but don't like the Glock style trigger. I like a decocker like the DC models have. I understand Ruger isn't offering the decock only models anymore, though. Don't tell me it's not a competition pistol, either. I've won enough money with it at local shoots to buy a couple of more. I shot IDPA with it for a while. Only thing I don't like about it for that is the difficulty with reloads. Not easy to bevel that mag well and the single stack mag hangs on the mag well a lot.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=49836&d=1167014958

Texas Gun Person
April 19, 2010, 10:51 PM
I love my P89. Good prices on them too.



Edit: Oh common... look at the date on the thread.

MCgunner
April 19, 2010, 11:10 PM
Yeah, old post, but I can't stand Ruger bashers. :D

JTQ
April 19, 2010, 11:17 PM
I realize this is a very old thread, but I hope it worked out for the OP. There was a bunch of bad information passed out and nobody called the folks on it.

I don't have the 9mm, but in its brother .45 P97 the decocker only model is my choice, since the safety model doesn't allow "cocked and locked" access(it automatically decocks once the safety is engaged).
Is he indicating he is somehow carrying his decocker P97 "cocked and locked"?

The Ruger P89 (AL frame) or P89 (polymer frame) are solid, reliable-as-heck semiautos for a good price.
I hope he didn't look too long for the polymer framed P89.

I purchased a P-98 in 1994 and have never had a single issue with it.
If there was a P98, it wouldn't have been available in 1994.

Most likely they are either typos, or just misunderstood, but if the OP really didn't know what he was looking for from Ruger, some of these posts would have made the search harder. I'm a pretty new member and must compliment the folks that the current posters are giving much better information.

Omaha-BeenGlockin
April 19, 2010, 11:22 PM
At least the Goose did a search

swampboy
April 19, 2010, 11:37 PM
I had only Ruger autos for twenty years. First a P89, then a P95. Last year, sold the P95 to fund a Glock deal. A few weeks later, sold the P89 to fund another Glock. The rest is history.

The Rugers were too big and heavy for a 9MM pistol, even the relatively smaller P95. Built like a tank, drop-dead reliable, but I never could hit a thing with 'em.

The only Ruger auto I have now is the LCP.

If you can find a Ruger for cheap (around $250) used, it's not a bad gun if you don't mind bulky and clunky. Be advised, the P-series mags are not as plentiful as they used to be and usually run about $30.

Leafy Cronmer
April 20, 2010, 12:06 AM
Another vote for P-95. It was not my first 9mm, or polymer for that matter but I would have been just as happy if it was. Its a great little gun, very accurate, I find my follow up shots to be a little faster with this gun than with some of my others.

Like you said about knocking it around and dinging it up with newbie mistakes. For the price you will never feel your heart sink if something happens to it.

And magazines can be had for 26 dollars at Buds, or maybe some of the Mecgar ones could be cheaper I don't know.

easyg
April 20, 2010, 03:41 AM
I don't think the P95 is that chunky....especially when you compare it to some other pistols....

Ruger P95
Length = 7.25"
Width = 1.20"
Weight, empty = 27 oz.

Glock 17
Length = 7.32"
Width = 1.18"
Weight, empty = 22.04 oz.

Beretta Storm
Length = 7.60"
Width = 1.40"
Weight, empty = 27.7 oz.

Beretta 92FS/M9A1
Length = 8.50"
Width = 1.50"
weight = 33.3 oz.

Sig P226
Length = 7.70"
width = 1.50"
Weight, empty = 34 oz.

Sig P229
Length = 7.10"
Width = 1.50"
Weight, empty = 32 oz.

Sig P250 Compact
Length = 7.20"
Width = 1.30"
Weight, empty = 25.1 oz.

Sig 1911 Stainless
Length = 8.70"
Width = 1.40"
Weight, empty = 41.6 oz.

CZ 75B Compact
Length = 7.20"
Width = 1.40"
Weight, empty = 38.4 oz.

CZ P01
Length = 7.20"
Width = 1.40"
Weight, empty = 28.8 oz.

CZ P07 Duty
length = 7.30"
Width = 1.50"
weight, empty = 27.2 oz.

HK P30
Length = 6.99"
Width = 1.37"
Weight, empty = 26.08 oz.

HK P2000
Length = 7.00"
Width = 1.34"
Weight, empty = 24 oz.

FN FNP-9
Length = 7.40"
Width = 1.50"
Weight = 24.37 oz.

S&W M&P9
Length = 7.50"
Width = 1.20"
Weight, empty = 24 oz.

Kimber Pro Carry II 9mm
Length = 7.70"
Width = 1.28"
Weight, empty = 28 oz.

Kimber Stainless Ultra Carry II 9mm
Length = 6.80"
Width = 1.28"
Weight, empty = 25 oz.


Appearances can be deceiving, but the tale of the tape doesn't lie.



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BridgeTooFar
April 20, 2010, 01:11 PM
Another vote for the P-95. I've owned 2 of them. First one, I got rid of to get an XD (never should have done that). The other, I had to sell for a variety of reasons, but neither of them went without a twinge of "what have I done!". Damn fine pistol; even more so for the low low price of admission.

JR47
April 20, 2010, 02:46 PM
It's just too bad that Ruger won't support the natural rights of those that support them. Seriously, that's what turns me completely from Ruger. I'd sure like to try out a GP-100 or (I can't believe I'm saying it) a P-89, but I can't get past how we've been sold down the river.

OMG, talk about living in the past. Bill is dead, people, and the company is NOT the same. They are selling Mini-14s with 20 round mags TODAY. They are making both concealable pistols and revolvers. Try looking around you before making statements based on 1990's catalogs.

I currently own an original, pre-MK.I, P85. I also have a P89, a KP90 (safety), a KP97DC, two P95s (one a KP95), and a KP345.

The latest version of the P95 has improved gripping areas, losing the slippery feel, as does the KP345.

As we can also see, they aren't bigger than many comparable pistols, nor are they heavier. All of mine, including the P85, have been as accurate as any other rack-grade pistol out there. In fact, I've never cracked a slide in 75 rounds (P229), or had a factory barrel that was terribly out of spec (HK USP), or a Ruger with the sight dovetail cut large enough that the rear sight walked out every 4-5 shots (Colt).

You may like, or dislike, the pistols, but they work reliably, have good accuracy, and Ruger has ALWAYS stood behind it's products.

The poster DID ask about which RUGER would be his best choice. He didn't ask for YOUR personal favorites.

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