Uberti 1837 Cattleman $250


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JCallaway82
April 21, 2011, 07:06 PM
Looking into an entry level cowboy gun. Can't afford USFA or Vaquero yet...so...

Uberti Cattleman New in Box for $250 (+$20 shipping) . Yay or Nay?

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/225999000/225999289/pix818680886.jpg

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=226445419

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snooperman
April 21, 2011, 08:27 PM
A very good gun for the money. The Uberti 1873 cattleman I have is a fine gun and a joy to shoot. You wont be disappointed at that price. I have 3 Uberti guns and like all of them.

JCallaway82
April 21, 2011, 08:56 PM
Thanks for the help snooperman!

Alright...next dilemma.

In .45 LC or .357? :O

The .45 is classic and that big bore looks menacing.. ammo price? Availability? I have no idea...

In .357, well I could shoot magnum, but I could also shoot the considerably lighter .38 rounds to make it fun (and cheaper) for plinking...

I can't decide...cool factor or versatility. Any insights?


Thanks in advance to anyone who can offer an opinion.

~Joseph

towboat_er
April 21, 2011, 09:03 PM
Yay
Love the 45, but expensive to shoot, unless ya reload. Shooting 38s in the 357 will save some bucks.

Red Cent
April 21, 2011, 09:04 PM
The older ones had a leaf spring for the hand. Weak point. Newer ones use a coil spring like the Ruger Vaquero.
The other weak point is the trigger/ bolt spring. Replace it.

Otherwise, good buy.

JCallaway82
April 21, 2011, 09:13 PM
Thank you fellas. I appreciate it, indeed.

The only thing left to mull over before I "pull the trigger" on the purchase is the caliber...

Decisions...Decisions....

Red Cent
April 21, 2011, 09:18 PM
You can be more competitive with the 38s.

Get a Marlin in 38. Please don't get a Win. 92 or 94.

Good double or pump. The older Stoeger (Baikal) is good. You can pick up a Win. M97 for around $400.00.

Best shooting sport ever.

SAA
April 22, 2011, 12:45 AM
I didn't see where he was buying it for CAS.

I'd pick .45 Colt every time, but that's just I. And, yes, I do reload. If that's not an option for you, then I can understand where .38 might be the better choice.

GRIZ22
April 22, 2011, 01:00 AM
I bought the same one a few years ago ($260 which was a great price in my area) in 357. No issues after a couple thousand rounds (mostly 38s). I'd buy another.

Daf57
April 22, 2011, 07:47 AM
Hi,

Tanner is only offering the 45LC with the $250 auctions. :) I asked about other calibers when I called them about payment.

Enjoy it!

JCallaway82
April 22, 2011, 07:22 PM
@Daf57. Thanks for the info.

I'm guessing you purchased one then? ;) Good stuff.

What? No. .357. ? That would make my choice that much easier...but this auction they have up is a bit conflicting/confusing...

Here is the original Auction 45LC (188 left. 13 days)
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=226445419

and here is one of their other auctions...

Tanner Auction for .357 (24 left. 28 days)
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=226504420


Maybe you talked to someone who had no idea about their other auction going on? *shrugs*


It's OK though,because I am leaning .45LC now anyway, but if anyone wants the .357 the auction is above.

snooperman
April 22, 2011, 07:35 PM
if you are not going to be doing the "Cowboy action game" and you just want it to have fun shooting, I would go for the .357 magnum. Later , you could add a 45 if you like this type of gun. If you do not reload, the 45 Colt is generally much more expensive to shoot. Have fun.

JCallaway82
April 22, 2011, 07:44 PM
So, I wont be mocked endlessly for choosing the .357 version? :D

I must admit though, although it is embarrassing, I won't be plinking too much with it. I shoot autos. I just really want a cowboy gun to twirl around (unloaded of course) and to shoot here and there for the novelty. I have thought about CAS or SASS, but I would need to be a decent shot before I started even thinking about something like that...ha!

Old Fuff
April 22, 2011, 08:11 PM
The lesser price is based on a trigger guard and backstrap being made of brass in place of steel, and a matt blue in place of high polish on the rest of the revolver. None of this affects the way it shoots, which makes it a great "budget buy."

However if you don't reload your own ammunition the ammunition cost of .45 Colt cartridges over .38 Special/.357 Magnum may cancel the cost advantage of the gun. You might be better off buying a used Ruger .357 in the long run.

JCallaway82
April 22, 2011, 08:29 PM
Thank Olf Fuff. Something to think about....



Rest of the Uberti Cattleman line (Nice Shiny Pictures!)
http://www.uberti.com/firearms/single_action_cattleman.php

GRIZ22
April 22, 2011, 08:37 PM
So, I wont be mocked endlessly for choosing the .357 version?

As I said the one I bought is 357. I reload but I don't have any 45 LC and i didn't want to stock another caliber for one gun.

It does have a transfer bar type safety (firing pin on hammer) so you could load 6. I just load 5 though.

Hondo 60
April 22, 2011, 10:39 PM
$250????
holy wow! That's a GREAT price.
I bought a new Cattleman Brass 5 1/2" 45 Colt about 4 months ago & it was just north of $400.
(and I really like the brass accents)

SAA
April 23, 2011, 12:12 AM
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=448985

If you only plan to shoot it once in a while, then get the .45 Colt.

Ala Dan
April 23, 2011, 10:20 PM
The $250 NIB price, beats my NIB sale price of $269.88 for the same Cattleman~! Go for it~! ;) :)

dashootist
April 24, 2011, 01:31 AM
I paid $500 for mine 2 years ago. I guess I got ripped off.

JCallaway82
April 24, 2011, 02:31 AM
@dashootist

Was it the Hombre with the bronze or another version? Some of the other versions of the cattleman are more expensive, and there are still plenty of listings for the Hombre in the $400 range. But a few places have good deals on them now it seems...

dashootist
April 24, 2011, 03:43 AM
Mine had case hardened finished. I guess it wasn't an Hombre.

Snowdog
April 24, 2011, 03:50 AM
I must admit to finding it interesting that so many prefer this revolver in .38/.357 rather than .45 Colt.

Though I completely understand the economical advantage of the .38 special over the .45 Colt, when I see an SAA Colt, my mind goes right to the 19th century and the .45 Colt or .44-40 Winchester.
When I think of .357 magnum (or even .38 special), I think 20th century.

Even when reloading, I still realize the cost of .452 255gr LFRN over .357 158gr LRN is still around 50% more (not to mention the additional powder charge).
However, the Peacekeeper just seems to justify the additional cost... unless I planned on shooting it a heck of a lot. Honestly, even then I'd probably still choose the .45 Colt over .38/.357mag.

But that's just me. I also have very little interest in a 1911 chambered in 9mm. This is simply because my mind refuses to associate it with anything other than .45acp, even though I'm fully aware the 1911's predecessor was chambered in .38ACP and the 1911 was commercially offered in .38 Super very early on. Perhaps I have Aspergers or something but that's just the way my brain's wired.

On a separate note, I would like someone to enlighten me on what loads are in the cylinder of the revolver below. At first I thought perhaps grease packed JHPs of some kind (but why?), though I now think they could be MagSafe rounds and that "grease" is actually epoxy. This is the kind of thing that will bug me until I figure it out. Again, I'm strange that way.

Image from http://www.uberti.com
http://www.uberti.com/firearms/images/callout_cattleman_frisco_cylinder_front_lg.jpg

JCallaway82
April 24, 2011, 03:57 AM
@dashootist yeah that makes sense. The case hardened is a step up in price.

@Snowdog. I'm definitely getting .45LC. I waxed and waned and I couldn't bring myself to get anything other than the .45 in a cowboy gun. I'll be getting it later though, I snapped up an LCR .357 for a CCW instead because of a good deal. :) The hombre (or similar) is next on my list.

bannockburn
April 24, 2011, 09:31 AM
JCallaway82

I know just how you feel. When I went looking for a Single Action Army last year, the only caliber I would consider was .45 Long Colt. I finally found a brand new Beretta Stampede for a little over $400 and I am very happy with my purchase.

PTK
April 24, 2011, 02:18 PM
Snowdog,

Those are just LFN bullets.

Dudemeister
April 24, 2011, 02:55 PM
On a separate note, I would like someone to enlighten me on what loads are in the cylinder of the revolver below. At first I thought perhaps grease packed JHPs of some kind (but why?), though I now think they could be MagSafe rounds and that "grease" is actually epoxy. This is the kind of thing that will bug me until I figure it out. Again, I'm strange that way.

Image from http://www.uberti.com
http://www.uberti.com/firearms/images/callout_cattleman_frisco_cylinder_front_lg.jpg
I think those are semi wad-cutters, probably moly coated. On a LRFN you can usually see the round part of the bullet, whereas on the SWC, the truncated conical shape only shows the flat nose, the rest of the cone is hidden in the shadow.

Here is a shot of a cylinder loaded with both SWC and LRFN. I'm sure you can tell which is which.

http://digistealth.com/Public/Guns/Reloading/cylinder.jpg

JCallaway82
April 24, 2011, 04:23 PM
@bannockburn. Funny you mention, the stampede is the reason I held off on the Uberti. Don't get me wrong the Uberti looks like a pretty nice gun for the price and may be what I end up with....


But I saw a few people selling stampedes on the Beretta forum and they look amazing. I realized the more of the colt clones I see the more I realize I know nothing of these gun and I need to get a few in my hand before I decide what to buy...I hope to do just that at next months gun show.

Snowdog
April 24, 2011, 08:13 PM
Well, I'm familiar with SWC bullets since that about 90% what I use for my .45acp (both 185gr and 200gr). I guess the shadowing from being in the cylinder of a revolver makes them appear... different.

The edges of those bullets just looked more defined then the center, making me think they were jacketed. Yeah, I can see them being SWC though. That photo of cylinder with RNFP and SWC profile bullets was especially convincing.
Thanks PTK and Dudemeister.

Daf57
April 25, 2011, 03:06 AM
Ack! More likely I misunderstood. I would have still gotten the 45. :) Sorry for the misinformation.

@Daf57. Thanks for the info.

I'm guessing you purchased one then? Good stuff.

What? No. .357. ? That would make my choice that much easier...but this auction they have up is a bit conflicting/confusing...

Here is the original Auction 45LC (188 left. 13 days)
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=226445419

and here is one of their other auctions...

Tanner Auction for .357 (24 left. 28 days)
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=226504420


Maybe you talked to someone who had no idea about their other auction going on? *shrugs*

bannockburn
April 25, 2011, 06:57 AM
JCallaway82

At this particular gunshow, I found a number of used Uberti SAA's, most of them in very good condition with case coloring and wood grips. There was just something about the look of the Stampede that just set it apart from all the others. The fit and finish was excellent, with a deep even blue along with the case colored frame. Even the black plastic stocks sort of reminded me of the ones Colt use to offer on their guns. Overall I have been very satisfied with my selection, especially with it being a .45LC.
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z334/TailoAltera/gunpix1094.jpg

JCallaway82
April 25, 2011, 06:59 PM
@Daf57 Did you receive your new Uberti yet? I would love to hear what you think about it when you do.

@bannockburn That is a handsome gun.

Foto Joe
April 25, 2011, 07:20 PM
I took a look at this post simply because I'm working with Uberti right now to replace my 3rd Schofield with issues (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=589494). I'm leaning toward the Cattleman in 44-40 & 45 Colt. Does anybody have any experience shooting Black Powder out of a Cattleman?

Daf57
April 27, 2011, 09:19 AM
I did - got it Monday. :) Already put a box of 45 Colt slugs down range. I like it, I'm happy with it. I may go through the steps outlined on the "slicking up an Uberti" (http://www.gunblast.com/JimTaylor_Uberti.htm) at some point but for now the only "improvement" I've made was to refinish the grips. The grips came with a very thick and uneven varnish job - had some bubbles in places that scratched the hand a little. I sanded them down and used a little linseed oil for now. Much smoother and helped bring out the grain in the walnut.

I had the budget for a Colt saa but took a shot at this auction for the Uberti to scratch the "need a cowboy gun" itch. I would say it did just that. :)

Thanks!

Smaug
April 27, 2011, 09:48 AM
Wow, I think the LCR was a poor choice compared to the Cattleman. Super light 357? No thanks for me.

Get that Cattleman in 45 Colt, and take up reloading. You'll save $15 a box, and it will only take about 8 boxes of ammo to pay for the reloading equipment.

It is so liberating, not to have to worry about getting raped for ammo when I look at guns. There is no reason 45 Colt should cost more than 45 ACP. It is simple profiteering.

Hondo 60
April 27, 2011, 11:14 PM
bannockburn - glad you liked the Stampede!
That leaves more Cattlemen for me :D

I have 2 of them now.
Both 5 1/2" 45 Colts.
One has brass & the other has steel backstrap & trigger guard.

All I can say is - thank God I reload.
The price of ammo is as bad as the price of gas! :what:

JCallaway82
April 28, 2011, 10:21 PM
@Daf57 awesome. Scratched the cowboy itch and money to spare. That never sucks.

@Smaug. lol. Well maybe. But I just got my CHL and wanted a nice j-frame for a CCW. The Uberti might not have worked as well for that application. (At least until they allow open carry) I was going to get the .38 version but decided, why not get the .357 and fire .38 through it. Sturdier frame on the .357 (SS compared to aluminum). I do not plan to shoot any .357 through it and got it for about the same price as the .38 :)

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