***NEED HELP!*** Steyr M or S. Series Vs. Glock comparison??


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loneeagle308
January 11, 2004, 11:14 PM
I am looking for a Steyr instead of the overpriced Glock for CCW. Anyone done any comparisons?

Just don't have the funds for a glock and trying to justify Steyr is = as good as a Glock. Here is a good article on the Steyr I found:
http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/review/steyr40.htm

Of the .40 S&W and .357 Sig, which is best for both getting alot of practice shoooting and knockout power?
For small statured folks, is a full size frame practical to wear CCW?

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Zundfolge
January 11, 2004, 11:34 PM
I have shot my Steyr M40 side by side with a Glock 23 (which would be the Glock equivalent of the M40).

The Steyr was more accurate, with a better trigger and less felt recoil (plus looks better ;) ).

The M40 is very rounded and smooth and works very well for a CCW gun. Its less bulky then the Glock. I just bought an S40 for CCW and its even more comfortable to carry and conceals very well (hides away better then my Makarov).

Flashpoint
January 12, 2004, 12:19 AM
I'll second the round smooth edges thing, I didn't realize how nice it was until a picked up a Sig p239 and the hammer scraped my side real bad. A good holster solved the problem, but I never had to deal with that with the M40. Another reason I picked up a Steyr over the Glock is that the Steyr feels as if it had been melted in my hand, very comfortable, which that combined with the super low bore axis make it pussy cat when it comes to recoil. Also I like the trigger on my Steyr much better than the ones on the G22 and g23 that I shot. I would suggest the S40 for CCW though I have never had a problem carring the M40. There are a lot of other nice features on the Steyrs that I sure you picked up on in the artical on the 1911sight. The Steyrs list for around $600 retail so for $300-$400 dollars they are a heck of a gun.

Oh, and the sites are really cool too :cool:

cornbread2
January 12, 2004, 08:55 AM
No one that understands the trigger group of a Steyr would carry one with a round in the chamber.

If you know and understand it's design you KNOW that it is not as safe as the Glock.

That makes it a poor choice for a carry gun.

loneeagle308
January 12, 2004, 09:43 AM
cornbread2

So how does the trigger group affect the reasoning in not wanting a round in the chamber??

is the .40 a big recoil producer?

extremefishin00
January 12, 2004, 12:20 PM
loneeagle308

There have been numerous threads dealing with the Steyr and whether or not it is safe for carry. There are those that feel the Stery is an inherently unsafe design due to the possibility of accidental firing if a certain part breaks, while others feel the design is totally safe. I have never fired a Steyr, and don't understand what the problem is..but do a search and you'll find all the info you need, in more detail than I can provide.

As far as my opinion on the two..I haven't had the chance to fire either a Glock or a Steyr, but I recently had the chance to handle both. For me, most of the Glocks I got to handle (17,19, 21, 22, 30) felt like a brick in my hand. The 30, surprisingly felt the best, except for the dangling pinky. That being said though, they all seemed well made, even if they are polymer framed pistols.

The Steyr did feel a bit smoother, and was easier for me to hold, kinda like a well used bar of soap. It sits quite low in the hand which theoretically should help with recoil management. The Steyr also uses an aluminum sub-frame, which may add to the durability of the pistol. Another thing to think about is that there seems to be a large support base for customization and repairs for the Glock, while the Steyr is very slim in this area.

Chris

DigMe
January 12, 2004, 03:35 PM
Of the .40 S&W and .357 Sig, which is best for both getting alot of practice shoooting and knockout power?

For knockout power I recommend a Louisville Slugger. YMMV.

brad cook

Sean Smith
January 12, 2004, 03:38 PM
Well, bulk .40 S&W ammo is cheaper than almost any defensive caliber other than 9x19, so you'd get more practice for the dollar with it than you would for .357 Sig.

clubsoda22
January 12, 2004, 03:48 PM
I've heared arguments about safety on the steyr, and i don't think there has ever been a reported case of a mechanical failure causing a discharge. I think it's all hypothetical.

Beav
January 12, 2004, 04:05 PM
I hate to say it but from my experience I would get a Glock. And I don't really like Glocks.

My Steyr initially had intermittent feed problems with 40S&W. I bought a 357SIG barrel and never had anymore feed problems. After I got the gun refinished to get rid of some blemishes I started to get bad extraction problems. I admit it was my fault for having it refinished but I did some looking around and found that others were having the same problem. I've bought a new extractor but I haven't had time to test it yet. If it continues to fail I'm taking a sledgehammer to it.

Another thing that doesn't sit well with me is that I can push the slide back a little, I guess kind of like a press check, and half the time there isn't enough tension to bring the slide forward back into battery. I've bought a new recoil spring and it didn't help. I have heard at least one other person complain of this. I've even grinded my chamber indicator down and it did not help as it was suggested that it might. The Steyr also has a habit of making peculiar marks on brass. There was a thread and several people reported that their Steyr's were doing it.
I know I probably got a lemon since there seems to be plenty of people here who are very happy with their Steyrs. Personally I would get a Glock.

mtnflyboy
January 12, 2004, 04:07 PM
Seeing the calumny about the Steyr 'unsafe to carry', yet again, finally prompted me to join the forum. I have been carrying an M .40 CCW for some months now, condition 1 (locked and loaded), with no problems. Lest the nay-sayers jump to the conclusion that I've been lucky, I have to report that I have had not 1, but 2, instances of "oops!". I dropped the sucker, twice, while getting out of a vehicle (comes from having to lock it away while on school grounds -- a Colorado CCW requirement, and being too lazy to reholster). I switched to this weapon from 1911s, specifically because of carry safety concerns I had (size, too).

Both times, the fall was hard enough to move the interruptor ("safety") switch from 'safe' to 'fire' position, and both times the weapon DID NOT DISCHARGE. So, this time, practical experience wins over theoretical discourse.

Meanwhile, I was able to cover the first 5 rounds the piece ever fired with a quarter, at 20'. Accuracy has continued at that pace, and it has handled multiple 165 and 180 grain cartridges with no problems. The grip is right, the sight system is intuitive and fast, and the mechanics/ machine work impeccable. AND -- I didn't have to spend an extra $500 to tune it -- just shoot it right out of the box.

I've seen Glocks, shot Glocks, studied Glocks ... You could give me one, and I'd gladly take it to sell or trade for another Steyr, all week long. Sorry I got so wordy first time out.

cornbread2
January 12, 2004, 05:37 PM
I really can't believe anyone would trade a 1911 for a Steyr thinking the Steyr is somehow safer.

You really screwed up there because even the almost 100 year old 1911 design has drop safety features the Steyr does not.

cornbread2
January 12, 2004, 05:41 PM
Beav.

Older Steyrs had a recoil spring problem. The newer ones are fine in that dept. or at least all of the newer ones I have seen were OK.

They still are not as safe as most other modern designs.

Absolut
January 12, 2004, 05:51 PM
Springfield XD

DigMe
January 12, 2004, 05:58 PM
Springfield XD

I was just about to say the same thing. This was ultimately my choice (in subcompact) over the Glock 27 partially because of price. I couldn't be happier.

brad cook

cornbread2
January 12, 2004, 06:44 PM
Both the XD and the Steyr are single action pistols but the XD has a real slide mounted firing pin lock that makes it MUCH safer than the Steyr.

Gary G23
January 12, 2004, 06:54 PM
I used to own a M40 & a M357. They are easy to carry concealed. My M40 was 98% reliable and my M357 was 100% reliable. FWIW I sold them both and got Springfield XDs.

spacemanspiff
January 12, 2004, 07:38 PM
i had both the m9 and m40. the m9 was 100% reliable, and i wasnt up to the task of proving the m40's reliability, once i discovered it was picky about ammo.
i have carried both but carried the m9 the most. any firearm can have its safetys fail. even a glock "perfect" trigger group.
i carried chambered because i am confident in the steyr design.

however, i did stop carrying the steyrs once i fell in love with a 1911. her trigger pulls so smoothly and breaks so crisp, with no overtravel, i couldnt get used to the steyr anymore.

i've had little problems concealing the steyrs or the 1911.

js2013
January 12, 2004, 08:39 PM
Ultra low recoil, excellent reliability, and very very good accuracy, the thing is a pure joy to shoot, plus I like the sights (YMMV). CDNN even lowered the price! Beats Glock hands down IMO. I read all the safety concerns on TFL before I bought it, figured I'd check it out and decide for myself, and I can see both sides of the safety issue. I'd be interested to know if the new Steyrs (next gen M Series) have changed the firing pin lock mechanism or the amount of tension the firing pin is under.

mrapathy2000
January 12, 2004, 09:32 PM
steyr was built for 40S&W the glock was built for 9mm and had 40 barrel upper put on it. glock has a unsupported barrel so if you use reloaded ammo be carefull. search on glock kaboom will explain all.

steyr is a bit heavier and handles the recoil very well. its a bit slimmer in the frame than glock easier for small hands to grip.

despite some peoples blind lies the steyr is perfectly safe. it does have a drop safety it just is not blocking the firing pin like some paranoid folks like.

also the steyr is double action per atf guide lines and that is how the atf counts it for import points.

for the steyr to malfunction would require a pink elephant of which none have ever been witnessed,reported and video taped.

my steyr at first had some jamming issues which were all the magazine springs fault because it was brand new unused mag after they got worked in a bit the gun and mags have been flawless.

Stephen A. Camp
January 12, 2004, 09:37 PM
There can be disagreement over what is safe and what is not.

There can be statements similar to "I don't believe I agree with..."

There can be explanations as to why a person believes or doesn't believe.

I hadn't been following this thread, but after it was reported, I checked through some of the posts.

Struck me that we're now into some name calling.

On top of that, there's been plenty of discussion on the original poster's topic and I'll bet that a search would yield several more for those interested.

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