Best 45 L Colt rifle?


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ExAgoradzo
April 24, 2011, 10:37 PM
What is the best 45 colt rifle on the market (new or used)?

I'd like a companion to my pistol. I'm not concerned about the action (lever, break, ?), I just want a fun, relatively accurate rifle that shoots the colt.

Thanks!

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PO2Hammer
April 25, 2011, 12:44 AM
You can get an H&R Classic Carbine (single shot break action) in .45 Colt for under $250 from CDNN. Love mine. Very accurate with receiver and front globe sights I added.

There are some very nice, usually new Winchester or Browning 1885 low wall rifles that crop up on Gunbroker every week. I would consider the 1885s as 'the best' for the basic design and the quality of the Miroku reproductions that Win. and Browning sell. Many of them are 'Hunter' versions with a flip up tang sight. You can also get Italian reproductions of the 1885 as well.

Then there are a few lever guns from Rossi, Cimarron and others. The 1873 'short rifle' from Cimarron Arms in .44 special is my current dream gun (too spendy for reality right now).

TexasPatriot.308
April 25, 2011, 01:18 AM
I love my .45 colt revolver for hunting. still havent found a rifle that will do the job. still looking myself. the Henrys look good, may go that route, till then, will stick to my revolver.

CraigC
April 25, 2011, 01:39 AM
Probably the "best" in terms of quality, accuracy, fit and finish would be the Winchester 1892 and 1885 replicas made by Miroku of Japan. Closely followed by the various Uberti-made 1873 replicas, which seem to be significantly better-built guns than their revolver counterparts.

StrawHat
April 25, 2011, 08:42 AM
I don't yet own one but the Little Sharps in 45 long Colt is an interesting rifle in my opinion. I have read about it on a couple of fora and may have to find one.

I would prefer a Ballard so chambered but they are even scarcer.

RugerBob
April 25, 2011, 08:46 AM
Not sure which one is best. I have a mod 92 Rossi with 24" octagon barrel. Been using it for the last 4 years for cowboy shooting without and issues or upgrades.

GooseGestapo
April 25, 2011, 09:38 AM
I have a Winchester M94 "Legacy" in .45LC.
It has the curved grip stock, 24"bbl, and nice wood with checkering.

It is scary accurate with jacketed bullets, and shoots very accurate with various cast bullets. A "hot" handload of 20.0gr of #2400 under a 250gr Hornady XTP has given 1,750fps m/v and near 1" groups at 100yds (3-shots). This load is safe in Rugers, T/C Contenders, ect. DO NOT USE IN A COLT SAA, OR REPLICA.......... I seldom use the load as it is "unneccessary".

It (rifle) will hold 11rds in magzine, so is a "load on sunday, shoot all week" rifle.
However, it has been discontinued, but you might can find one on the internet.

I have removed the rear sight and installed a Williams 5D reciever sight. I don't shoot it very much, but when I do, I ususally go through several hundred rounds as it is very addictive. I use the Lee .452-250gr RFN sized to .452" and lubed with SPG over 8.0gr of Universal. Any faster burning powder or lighter charge of Unique/Universal won't obturate the cases causing a LOT of sooting of the cases and unburned powder in the action, barrel.(I should say "maintain obturation till bullet exits barrel") For this reason I prefer Win, Rem, or MagTech brass (particularily the latter). The Starline brass is somewhat thicker and requires a little bit more pressure to obturate. Ususually a charge of 8.2gr will work better with the Starline. Muzzle blast is about like a .22lr with CCI Stingers, if that loud. You can comfortably shoot them without ear protection (but I don't advise it).

The above load sighted in 2" high at 50yds is about 4" low at 100yds, (-0- at 75yds) but is HOOT to shoot, and will penetrate a deer diagonally if hit through the chest-abdomen within 100yds. (a friend has done this several times with his Taurus "Thunderer" with my ammo/bullets). Blood trails, if any, (often DRT!) are wide and short.

I would look closely at the Taurus "Thunderer". It is decently built, and is decently accurate. It is available and is running $550-600.00. However, it is not of the quality of the Winchester. I WOULD NOT !!!!! shoot the above mentioned "HOT" load or anything over the recommended max for a Colt SAA or replica........ Not because of metallurgy, but because of the design being intended only for containing black-powder pressures of "factory ammo".

tazbigdog
April 25, 2011, 08:06 PM
The best...I would choose Winchester. The best and most affordable...Marlin Cowboy .45LC!

helotaxi
April 25, 2011, 08:11 PM
I could not be more happy with my Marlin 1894C. Accurate, reliable, affordable and available.

rogertc1
April 25, 2011, 08:15 PM
A new made all in the USA Henry Big Boy Lever in 45LC

SaxonPig
April 25, 2011, 08:37 PM
There is never a best anything. Many different makes and models with varying strengths and weaknesses. You have to figure out what features you want.

mgkdrgn
April 26, 2011, 09:27 PM
I own a Rossi in 454 that I mainly shoot in 45 Colt, and as consignments I've had a few other 45 Colt lever guns come through my door.

In terms of overall smooth action and quality, the Marlins are hard to beat.

The Puma/Rossi M92 probably come next, and then there are the Winchesters that just all felt "loose" to me for some reason.

Malamute
April 26, 2011, 11:19 PM
I like the late Winchester 92's, tho I don't seem to use it much. They seem to be extremely well made compared to most that I've seen.


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/Malamute/outdoor%20sports/IMG_2872.jpg

ExAgoradzo
April 27, 2011, 01:33 AM
I own a Rossi in 454 that I mainly shoot in 45 Colt, and as consignments I've had a few other 45 Colt lever guns come through my door.

In terms of overall smooth action and quality, the Marlins are hard to beat.

The Puma/Rossi M92 probably come next, and then there are the Winchesters that just all felt "loose" to me for some reason.
I own a Rossi in 454 that I mainly shoot in 45 Colt,
I 'overheard' on another site that a 45 colt could go through a 454; so I assume that is true. Are there probs with the bullets tumbling from the barrel? Is this the casull round?
If it is, then I assume that the Rossi has enough 'meat' to handle the pressures of handloaded 45 colts?
Thanks for letting me pester you...I really want to buy the 'right' gun.

ExAgoradzo
April 27, 2011, 01:34 AM
I like the late Winchester 92's,
That's a beauty!

CraigC
April 27, 2011, 11:07 AM
If it is, then I assume that the Rossi has enough 'meat' to handle the pressures of handloaded 45 colts?
Yep, the 1892 is the strongest of the pistol cartridge actions.

helotaxi
April 27, 2011, 01:52 PM
I 'overheard' on another site that a 45 colt could go through a 454; so I assume that is true. Are there probs with the bullets tumbling from the barrel?

Why would they? The .454 uses .452 bullets just like the .45 Colt. The difference is in the case head and web thickness, length and primer size.

Leaky Waders
April 27, 2011, 02:27 PM
I think the best semi-custom would be...

http://www.turnbullmfg.com/client_images/catalog19872/pages/files/USRAC_Winchester_Special_Lg.jpg

hirundo82
April 27, 2011, 08:12 PM
I 'overheard' on another site that a 45 colt could go through a 454; so I assume that is true.

.45 Colt is to .454 Casull as .38 Special is to .357 Magnum or .22 Short is to .22 Long Rifle--same dimensions except for case length, so they chamber and fire fine. Just clean the chamber well to remove carbon buildup after firing the shorter rounds.

Hagen442
April 27, 2011, 08:13 PM
My Preference is the Uberti Reproductions:
1860 Henry - Texas Ranger Augustus McCrae Special
http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af341/HAGEN442/1860_henry_rifle.jpg
1866 Winchester - Yellow Boy
http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af341/HAGEN442/1866_yellowboy_short_rifle.jpg
1873 Winchester - Short Rifle
http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af341/HAGEN442/1873_short_rifle.jpg
Dependable, Accurate, and Fast.

Hagen

ridgerunner1965
April 27, 2011, 08:35 PM
that 92 that malamute posted looks like the finest 45 lc ive seen in a long time.anybody got a picture to beat that?

Hagen442
April 27, 2011, 09:27 PM
Just posted pictures of my 45 Long Guns from Uberti

What do you think Ridgerunner ?

Hagen

VA27
April 27, 2011, 10:54 PM
If you're going to shoot 'hot' stuff any of the '92 clones, the Henry Big Boy or any of the single shots will work.

If all you're going to shoot (or reload) is standard pressure stuff then I like the '60, '66 or '73 clones.

mgkdrgn
April 27, 2011, 11:22 PM
I 'overheard' on another site that a 45 colt could go through a 454; so I assume that is true. Are there probs with the bullets tumbling from the barrel? Is this the casull round?
If it is, then I assume that the Rossi has enough 'meat' to handle the pressures of handloaded 45 colts?
Thanks for letting me pester you...I really want to buy the 'right' gun.
454 Casull is basically 45 Colt on "steroids". 1/10 of an inch longer so you can't chamber it ina 45 Colt gun, but 45 Cold chambers up in a 454 Casull gun just fine.

I got my lever in 454 Casull because I wanted to shoot 45 Colt, but wanted to be able to handle 45 Colt handloads (ie, "Ruger Only" loads) A 454 Casull lever gun seemed the perfect choice to do this ... and Puma/Rossi made the only one.

Unfortunately, they don't any more. You still can find a few for sale here and there though.

I can push a 250 grain jacketed hollowpoint at some 2000+ fps. Or I can load up some 800 fps Cowboy loads just for plinkin. Superior versatility.

CraigC
April 28, 2011, 10:39 AM
Not a .45Colt but I'm also a little partial to the `73 and would love a `66. This one's a .38-40 and shoots beautifully, 1"@50yds with every load I've tried in it. The 135gr Sierra at 1600fps is a wonderfully destructive varmint blaster.

http://photos.imageevent.com/newfrontier45/rifles/large/IMG_7033b.jpg

rickk
May 9, 2011, 10:02 PM
Marlin makes good rifles, but they no longer make the 1894 in 45 Colt. Their web site says they do, but try to find one. I looked for months. I tried contacting Marlin but they are not contactable since they got bought out by Remington and moved south.

I contacted Remington via email and a week later got a one sentence reply, something like "The Marlin 1894 is no longer produced in 45 Colt".

I am guessing that when Marlin moved, the web site person got left behind in Connecticut and the web site isn't being taken care of any more.

My search has changed from Marlin to Henry now.

Rick

Malamute
May 9, 2011, 10:11 PM
...that 92 that malamute posted looks like the finest 45 lc ive seen in a long time.anybody got a picture to beat that?



This doesnt beat it, but shows the other side. It's not too bad either.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/Malamute/outdoor%20sports/IMG_2859.jpg


Marlin makes good guns. If you want one, I wouldn't give up on them just because they don't currently make them. There's likely plenty around used for reasonable money. I rarely buy anything new. For example, I bought this Winchester 92 High Grade for about half the book value. It had a tiny spot in the blue on the barrel. I can live with that.

HenrySwift
June 9, 2011, 06:08 PM
Cimarron 1860 Henry repro is the most accurate "out of the box" 45 Colt rifle I have, but my Interarms Rossi SRC BLL with a 16" barrel is way lighter, and I personally feel much more fun to shoot, and is also accurate. The 1860 is just a little better at reaching out and touching ya', and dont let anyone tell you that the 45 colt is not a good rifle round. It might not be a perfect one, but if loaded right with good components, it will take down whatever you aim it at and then some.

HS

Maverick223
June 10, 2011, 02:09 AM
Winchester '92 for .45LC only, or a Puma M92 for .454Casull versatility. The 1885 isn't shabby either, and may be even stronger (the "High Wall" is, but I don't know about the "Low Wall"), but I believe it is best suited to the big thumper cartridges like .45-70Govt. and larger.

:)

Bill_Rights
June 11, 2011, 12:33 AM
I'm with mkdrgn, in that I like the versatility of being able to handle both powder-puff (Cowboy Action) rounds and high powered rounds.

Be careful here, though, since unlike the Rossi M92 many older 1892s and look-alikes were not designed for the higher chamber pressures: Quote:
If it is, then I assume that the Rossi has enough 'meat' to handle the pressures of handloaded 45 colts?

Yep, the 1892 is the strongest of the pistol cartridge actions.

On the other hand, you can get hot .45LC rounds without hand loading them yourself - here's a whole page of .45LC +P:
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/index.php?cPath=21_38

Question is, without going all the way to a .454 Casull rifle, what modern .45LC actions are stout enough for .45LC +P? I guess the Henry Big Boy, for one, eh?

TexasPatriot.308
June 11, 2011, 12:58 AM
Hey PO2, will that H&R .45 of your handle the hot factory loads like Buffalo Bore?

Maverick223
June 11, 2011, 03:22 AM
Question is, without going all the way to a .454 Casull rifle, what modern .45LC actions are stout enough for .45LC +P? I guess the Henry Big Boy, for one, eh?The only ones that I know of are the Winchester '92 and '94, though the 1885 will probably do just as well (perhaps better). The Henry might be alright, but I seriously doubt it.

:)

CraigC
June 11, 2011, 09:37 AM
Question is, without going all the way to a .454 Casull rifle, what modern .45LC actions are stout enough for .45LC +P? I guess the Henry Big Boy, for one, eh?
I can only assume the Big Boy is strong enough for "Ruger only" loads (up to 32,000psi) because it is also chambered in .44Mag. We know for sure that the Winchester 94 and Marlin 1894 are strong enough for loads in the 40,000psi range. The modern 1892 (Winchester and replicas) is the strongest and can withstand loads in the 50,000psi range.

Water-Man
June 11, 2011, 09:59 AM
If you want some information on the PUMA M92 (Rossi), contact StevesGunz.com.

AK_Maine_iac
June 11, 2011, 11:36 PM
It just happens that i emailed Henry Rifle last week and asked the same question. They emailed back the next day. " All of the Henry rifles in 45 Colt will handle +p loads with no problems". I am assuming that the tech support dept knows what they're talking about.

rickk
June 12, 2011, 08:40 AM
AK_Maine_iac,

The Henry Big Boy is no toy. It is a really solid machine.

I am curious as to who from Henry sent you he reply that you got. Most email conversations I have had with Henry, and all telephone conversations I have had with them have been with Antonio, who owns the company.

I did get one response from a question that Antonio could not answer, from Thomas Kotz, who is head customer service.

From what I have seen so far, they don't give any yahoo a phone and a computer and let them answer customer questions or deal with customer problems.

I had a question one time and spoke on the phone with Antonio. He answered it on the phone, and called me back the next day to make sure my issue had been remedied. Compare that to Marlin, who does not have a published working customer service telephone number or working email contact information any more.

Rick

Dobe
June 12, 2011, 11:03 AM
I'd like to see an M77 Ruger made in .45 Colt.

Smokey in PHX
June 12, 2011, 02:25 PM
Uberti is hard to beat. The original Winchester 92's work very well as do the Marlins.

Maverick223
June 12, 2011, 10:57 PM
Compare that to Marlin, who does not have a published working customer service telephone number or working email contact information any more.Cough, cough... (http://www.marlinfirearms.com/customersupport/repairs.asp)

:)

CraigC
June 13, 2011, 02:27 AM
The Henry Big Boy is no toy. It is a really solid machine.
...and two pounds heavier than it needs to be.

AK_Maine_iac
June 13, 2011, 03:03 AM
Rickk

Yes it was Antonio whom e-mailed me. He had spoken to tech support, and he was relaying what they had told him, to me.

Smokey in PHX
June 13, 2011, 03:24 AM
That Winchester 92 looks great. I like the Uberti and Marlins also.

wleoff
June 13, 2011, 02:17 PM
The Marlin Cowboy is the most accurate, but the Uberti is close and looks good. I've also got a 45 Colt Rossi Ranch Hand that's not in the picture. You'll need more than a couple of 45 Colts to really reload well. All 45 Colt...

http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp244/wleoff/45Colt02.jpg

Red Cent
June 13, 2011, 09:19 PM
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/redcent69/Win1873comparison.jpg


http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/redcent69/cowboyrifles002-1.jpg


38-55, 357, 45 Colt

I asume the pistol is a single action. Talking about an authentic companion.

wleoff
June 13, 2011, 09:46 PM
I've got those calibers covered, too... SASS #9662.
Marlins.....

http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp244/wleoff/Marlins.jpg

Winchesters....

http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp244/wleoff/Winchesters.jpg

45-70 1885 Winchester..

http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp244/wleoff/1885B.jpg

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