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dirtykid
April 26, 2011, 02:00 PM
HF1467 is set to be on the floor Thursday 28th, 4-major point to be introduced include "stand your ground" It would remove our "duty to retreat" from a dangerous situation without using deadly force.
Universal recognition, recognizing other states carry-permits therefore allowing other states to recognize our permits,,
Emergency-powers,, To prevent a situation likeness to hurricane katrina,, no mandatory confiscation of firearms during declared emergency
And then of course extension of permit-to-purchase from 1-year to 5-years,
Unfortunately all this has to get past the "Public Safety and Crime Prevention Policy and Finance Committee" which im sure will beat this this bill like it owes them money,, so we'll see. it was introduced by 35-bi-partisan co-sponsors,so it has potential,, I have a list of members of said committee available for anybody who can take some time to send them some respectfull encouragement,, cross your fingers,,

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dirtykid
April 27, 2011, 04:57 PM
:(Really ?? no-fellow Minnesotan's interested ??

dcbridgwater
April 27, 2011, 05:06 PM
If I was still a Minne-sotan I would do my part to "take some time to send them some respectfull encouragement", hope it passes for you.

jacksgd
April 28, 2011, 08:31 AM
I sent out 17 E-mails to the Representatives on the committee asking them to support the Bill.

If I am not able to work today I will be able to go down to the Capital building and show some more support.

griff383
April 28, 2011, 09:41 AM
Ill send some emails, I know I will end up in MN sooner or later so anything I can do now Im sure I will appreciate in the future

dirtykid
April 28, 2011, 07:42 PM
Yea, Baby ! we got it passed by the safety-committee only by a 10-7 vote.
but now it's unto the judicary committee. And now the anti-gunners are coming out of the cracks in the sidewalks, St Paul's assistant police chief spoke to the media and proclaimed it a "recipe for disaster" and those opposed say that it could be deadly to someone who "mistakenly enters the wrong house and isint armed" yea,,, that happens ALL the time around my neighborhood,,people forget which house is theirs,, :rolleyes:

walking arsenal
April 28, 2011, 07:58 PM
I wasn't aware that the current law required "duty to retreat." Citation?

Frozen North
April 28, 2011, 09:26 PM
I don't remember any part of that either...

I was understanding that you can even use deadly force to defend others too. My instructor said that the only qualifier was that you or the bystander must be in immediate danger of death or great bodily harm. How immediate and how much danger is determined in a court of law. I was understanding MN self defense law as fluid, vague, and open to much interpretation.

More reciprocity would be good... ESPECIALLY IN IL AND WI!!! lol!!

Permit to purchase needs to go away all together, it is obsolete and a pointless use of law enforcement's valuable time.

Do you have a link to the bill or a newspaper article on it?

dirtykid
April 28, 2011, 11:55 PM
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H1467.0.html&session=ls87

Here's the gritty details, We had our local news do a story on it,and the 5-foot nothing reporter walked up to a house and opened a sliding window and explained that" just doing this could get you shot" (the same reporter that was removed from a trial at our local courthouse cause she was told 2X by the judge to turn off her phone and she was texting people during a live criminal hearing) she went back to KTTC and had her manager call the sheriff,towhich he replied if she does it again she'll be in contempt of court and arrested,, HA HA HA !

dirtykid
April 29, 2011, 12:01 AM
And NO, Minnesota does not have a "castle doctrine" I am expected to retreat from my house if possible without using deadly force. (Unless) The perp. is commiting a felony,,
C'mon now if im awoken by breaking glass in middle of night i have to put-on my lawyer-pants and "determine" if they are gonna commit a felony or just a gross-misdeameanor,,, and then what ? i have to keep a stun-gun handy for the misdeameanor-thugs and a pistol for the felons,, Obviously running for senate or house seats dosent always require commen sense,,, of course most of you know that

walking arsenal
April 29, 2011, 01:13 AM
They must be referring to this. https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.065

langenc
May 1, 2011, 07:43 PM
For p[osters $5 and #6--

Good thing you send emails. If you can find out when yours elected persons visit the district go there and tell them how you feel. Take a couple like minded shooters along and let em know. give them some piece of literature to support your idea.

Personal visit is many time more effective. make em squirm.

Liberty1776
May 1, 2011, 09:17 PM
My local reps on board and he's also on the Public Safety Committee. The committee membership doesn't look too bad, and I believe it will pass. To get all the way through, and past Dayton's desk, is another matter however. And as far as MN goes, outside of the dang duty to retreat concept (retreat from my house, my aaaaa...) we have it better than a lot of other states. This bill will go a long way to making it much, much better. (Especially the reciprocity)

Scimmia
May 6, 2011, 11:28 AM
Haven't heard any news on what or if this bill got voted on just yet, I will post results as soon as i find them,

From: http://www.gocra-mn.org/news/

"The Defense of Dwelling and Person Act of 2011 (SF1357) will be heard in the Minnesota Senate Judiciary and Public Safety Committee tomorrow (Friday, May 6) at 5:00 p.m."

Got a few hours to wait yet.

B1gGr33n
May 9, 2011, 12:27 PM
Well that gocra-mn.org link shows it passed the committee by an 8-3 vote and is now on its way to the full House and Senate.

dirtykid
May 9, 2011, 12:43 PM
Yess,sir !! only a few-more hoops to jump-thru ! :rolleyes:

dirtykid
May 13, 2011, 11:04 PM
OK it got thru the senate by a marginal 8-6 vote and is headed to house floor TOMMORROW !! sat May 14th ! lil-beady-eye'd Dayton is still saying he dont like it, and just about EVERY anti-gun police-men or ex-police is stepping up to tell everybody how it's gonna endanger police officers ! because THEY may be the one's entering a house by force or "stealthily" Yea ya see them do that all the time ! :rolleyes: My local news-rag is a bunch of anti-gunners and is printing and re-printing the articcle with the title "Shoot-first bill" in the title,, and then clearly stating in that article :Proponents call the bill a "stand your ground" bill and opponents are calling it a "shoot first " bill,, Guess they have made their views clear !!

Scimmia
May 13, 2011, 11:44 PM
Good luck, I'm following this closely (mostly for the reciprocity:)).

Frozen North
May 14, 2011, 12:20 AM
There were some police chiefs from here in MN blabbing about how this is gonna get police shot as they chase a perp through peoples back yards...

They assume people are A) STUPID and B) Bloodthirsty. I am so glad that such high ranking officials have such a high opinion of the public that they SERVE. Yes, they serve us and I think they forget that sometimes. I know plenty of police officers, friends and family members. NONE of them share these feelings. They understand that bad people are gonna do bad things and stupid people are gonna do stupid things, but no law should be in place that can imprison a good person for doing what they have to do. You can't get outlaws to follow the law, and you can't legislate away stupidity.

After my first post, I looked into this a bit more and was worried by what I found. How on earth can I round up my three sons, ages 2, 6, and 9, and either escape my home or get everyone into a safe room? I am on my own out here with three little kids, how is this gonna work?

It is easy for people who have never been in real danger to call those of us who have names like "paranoid", "trigger happy", and "gun nuts". I hope they never have to go through that, but they need to be less naive about the way things really are in the real world. It would be a shame for my boys to grow up without a mother or father because dad got 15 in the state pen for saving their lives from an insane meth addict.

The threat to my family currently is doing 5 years in prison. It sure makes me sleep better at night. I wish they would have saved the trouble and locked him up after the first 3 violent felonies, but they decided 90 days was enough and released him to terrorize again. I hear he finally beat a young woman nearly to death in north east MN.

Long story short.... If they can't keep violent animals off the street like that before they do serious harm, how dare they question our right to defend ourselves and our families from them?

Rant Off...

hoefj
May 16, 2011, 09:57 AM
Whats the word on all this?

vita
May 16, 2011, 12:03 PM
Curious as well, just now finding out about this. :banghead:

Scimmia
May 16, 2011, 12:23 PM
It passed the House with a 79-50 vote on Saturday. Should be recieved by the Senate today (I don't think they had a similar bill going). They'll send it to committee for consideration and if the committee approves it, it'll come to the floor for a full vote. Unfortunately, the Governor has hinted at a veto, which would take 90 votes in the House to override. He hasn't come out and said he would veto, so there's still a chance.

Scimmia
May 16, 2011, 12:39 PM
Well, I was wrong. I went and looked it up, and there is a companion bill already in the Senate, SF1357. It looks like the Senate Judiciary and Public Safety and Finance committees have already approved the bill, so hopefully it won't take much to get this to the floor.

dirtykid
May 18, 2011, 01:08 PM
Latest word from the Governor is he thinks:"this bill goes too far" havnt heard when it will be on floor for voting but, The last hurdle is gonna be a battle for this bill,,Im just disgusted at myself for voting for this clown,, I can carry my handgun in public (either concealed or openly) keep my weapons in my house,(loaded if i so choose) BUT if someone breaks in to my house i have to try to evacuate my family to safer area till police arrive ????? :banghead: This country needs some NEW leadership with some common-sense in their melons...
:cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

vettekiller
May 18, 2011, 02:22 PM
i'm not a minnesotan but i worked there for a few weeks last year. nice fireworks show for the 4th in Minneapolis....and loved that surly furious beer so much that i make some at home now. that "retreat from your house" is crazy talk. I hope this passes. So many laws handicapping good citizens to prevent an accidental shooting, embolden criminals.

Remllez
May 18, 2011, 05:14 PM
I've emailed the honorable Governor Dayton 3 times in the last two weeks urging him to not veto what the peoples representatives have chosen to advance to him in hf 1467. I have not received a reply to any of my e-mails urging him to not handicap law abiding citizens by vetoing this bill.

The same dog and pony show that law enforcement used to voice their objection to the concealed carry bill is being trotted out again for this house file and it just doesn't hold water. There is available a body of evidence the antis can't argue with concerning concealed carry and the bloodthirsty citizens of Minnesota, they choose to ignore that evidence and instead dramatize what they "think" could happen if this bill becomes law.

One of the few problems legally armed citizens have had with law enforcement is that incident in one of the suburbs when that off duty undercover cop provoked a road rage incident with a law abiding citizen then without announcing he was a cop pulled his sidearm and pointed it at the family in the other car which prompted the citizen to shoot the cop!

It would seem that law enforcement is the ones the antis should be worried about. I haven't heard a single cop mention that incident when he's voicing his concern against this bill. The author or one of the supporters of this bill is currently a cop and he has stated this law will not put officers in harms way at all, at least from law abiding citizens!

If the governor vetoes this he is just delaying the inevitable, and is setting himself up to be a one timer. All due respect to law enforcement they should be worried about criminals not legally armed citizens. What scares me most in this country is when the police "read" (government) think they are the only citizens that should be allowed to carry and use deadly force in response to a brutal attack on another citizen.

And the politicians that we elect AGREE WITH THEM !

PS. call or e-mail your representatives and tell them to pass this bill!!

dirtykid
May 18, 2011, 05:49 PM
Yea, im pretty sure my e-mail address has been marked as "spam" or something,, Have sent MANY e-mails and not even gotten an auot-mated response from his office,,Too busy to answer to the people who elected him i guess,, Hope we didnt pay much for him to be moved-in as Governor as I fore-see him getting replaced next time around !
All we can do is keep at it, DONT give up !

B1gGr33n
May 20, 2011, 10:23 AM
I'm happy to have Hoffman and Murdock as my representatives! I've also emailed the gov'r, and likewise have been ignored. I didn't vote for him last time, and he's simply cementing that he won't get my vote again.

usmarine0352_2005
May 20, 2011, 05:03 PM
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As a police officer I can tell you that a majority of the officers I know are pro-2nd Amendment, CCW and support this bill, it's only our chiefs that are against it.




Any news on this bill btw?



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dirtykid
May 20, 2011, 05:33 PM
Interesting statement marine, that would imply that the executive-positions decisions are guided mostly by politics ,, who would have known ? :uhoh:
Thank you for your common-sense approach to the subject,can we elect you as OUR police-chief ? :)

dirtykid
May 20, 2011, 05:35 PM
And no-news on bill currently,Last word is Dayton's gonna veto-it,dont know if there's enough votes to over-ride him,, hoping they figure out budget deal before "shutdown"

usmarine0352_2005
May 20, 2011, 06:09 PM
Interesting statement marine, that would imply that the executive-positions decisions are guided mostly by politics ,, who would have known ?
Thank you for your common-sense approach to the subject,can we elect you as OUR police-chief ?



Ha, thanks for the vote. But I'm not smart enough nor do I care to ever get into politics.


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Scimmia
May 21, 2011, 09:25 AM
They were hoping to get it to the floor late yesterday, but that didn't happen. They're hoping for today.

If it's vetoed, that's pretty much it. The session is supposed to end Monday; it's kind of hard to attempt an override when nobody's around to vote. :(

griff383
May 21, 2011, 11:58 AM
I just got done emailing Gov Dayton and several others reminding them they serve the people and not the hysterical media or moronic police chiefs. The PEOPLE want this bill and if he stops serving us we find someone who will when election time rolls around again.

B1gGr33n
May 23, 2011, 09:49 AM
griff383: I've said basically the same thing, but I fear our words won't even make it to his ears on that media. I'm sure we'll be filtered out by whatever monkey skims his emails for him.

griff383
May 23, 2011, 10:19 AM
I didnt hear back from Dayton but I did get a real email from my state senator. According to him he has supported this bill from the get go.

walking arsenal
May 23, 2011, 09:21 PM
Just keep sending it until you get a response. Copy, paste, send, once a day every day. If everyone here did that think what kind of an impact that could have. We have 131k members!

griff383
May 23, 2011, 09:36 PM
If you go to GOCRA-MN they have a list of senators that killed the bill so you can politely email them your thoughts and opinions.

dirtykid
May 24, 2011, 05:40 PM
UNBELIEVABLE !! What other job can you waste-time doing nothing,then when you have to work "overtime" to finish it you point fingers at your "co-workers" ,,,, They did however manage to get 28-million approved for my city for an expansion on a "civic center" (that was built WAY too small the first time) so we can expand our "arts" activities,,, Im so mad,i could spit tacks right now...

Mamertine
May 24, 2011, 10:39 PM
* agreed dirtykid

B1gGr33n
May 25, 2011, 09:53 AM
Maybe instead of time-and-a-half, they should get half-time for overtime. That should get them moving :neener:

burnse
May 25, 2011, 02:40 PM
I'm making some calls as soon as I'm done pulling out my hair. :cuss:

B1gGr33n
May 25, 2011, 04:52 PM
Just finished my personal emails to all the Senate leadership personnel listed on MN GOCRA expressing my distaste for their lack of diligence. Doubt it will fall on much beside deft ears however...

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