Springfield M1A Sniper System


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Lakedaemonian
April 28, 2011, 09:13 PM
Hey gents. I've decided I want to finally do an intermediate range gun, say 500 yds or so. I am certain I want it in a Springfield M1A. I dont want to to the M21 Sniper System because I aint rich. What I do want to do is a Standard M1A with probably a Leupold Mark 4 Mildot probably 6-18 ish. Im asking for an opinion here... Wood Stock, or Composite? I like the look and feel of wood, especially for the character and coolness (wow that made me sound like a pole smoker) anyways, but I think that Composite is more applicalbe for this set up as I would like to camo-paint the entire weapon system once assembled, I obviously wouldnt do that with a beautiful wood stock. What do you guys think?

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Frogomatik
April 28, 2011, 09:36 PM
but I think that Composite is more applicalbe for this set up as I would like to camo-paint the entire weapon system once assembled

you just answered your own question

CRO MAGNON
April 28, 2011, 09:41 PM
Composite....100%

TexasPatriot.308
April 28, 2011, 09:57 PM
I got mine with walnut stock cause I carried one about 40 years ago and I love the look of that weapon, I plan to keep it open sight for a while, but next fall for hog hunting I am gonna go with the Leupold Mark 4 for longer shots, aint got the eyesight I had in my military days.

ReconRelic
April 28, 2011, 10:07 PM
M-14 (okay, M1A) with a heavy barrel, composite stock, bipod and scope.

I don't know the nomenclature, but that's a USMC sniper rifle

SentinelStrategic
April 28, 2011, 10:16 PM
Just understand that the accuracy out of a Standard is not going to be anything impressive. You're looking at 2-3moa with match ammo on a good day.
And if you like Leupold, fine. But you can do a lot better for a lot less; unless you're buying used. Vortex and Weaver both have options that are optically better than Mark4s. Mark4s are overpriced. If you really want something in that price category, go with a NightForce NXS.

Semyon Vasilii
April 28, 2011, 10:34 PM
M-14 (okay, M1A) with a heavy barrel, composite stock, bipod and scope.

I don't know the nomenclature, but that's a USMC sniper rifle


the rifle fielded by the marines is the M39 EBR. ebr stands for enhanced battle rifle. so its not a sniper rifle. it does come equipped with a telescopic sight but it is not used in a sniper role. (no 2 man team sittin out by themselves). it is used by a designated marksman in the regular infantry platoon. it also does not have a synthetic stock. it has an aluminum stock.

the rifle that has the synthetic stock with the pistol grip is the m14 DMR or designated marksman rifle. it is being replaced by the M39 EBR.

but these are not sniper weapon systems. they are scout rifles.

i was an 03xx


to the OP: you answered your own question. get synthetic. or get it in wood and buy an aftermarket synthetic stock. maybe one with an adjustable cheek piece. so then if you ever decide you want it dressed back in wood you technically could. but youd probably want to bed it in its new stock

NWCP
April 28, 2011, 10:35 PM
My M1A Supermatch with the over sized walnut stock and stock iron sights works just fine out past the limit of my 60 year old eyes. It's not exactly a sniper rifle and I'm no sniper, but it does get the job done out to the 400 yards I've fired it. I'm not so sure I want to scope the rifle. I have a CZ 550FS that is scoped and quite accurate as well.

Semyon Vasilii
April 28, 2011, 11:02 PM
2-3 moa really? 8-12 inch groups at 400 yds?

madcratebuilder
April 29, 2011, 05:24 AM
2-3 moa really? 8-12 inch groups at 400 yds?
Yes, from a out of the box "standard" model. A "loaded" model with it's NM barrel should cut those groups in half. Tuning the gas system well reduce them even more.

Stock fit and barrel preload by the stock well effect the rifle more than the stock material. Either wood or glass well get the job done if set up correctly.

Lakedaemonian
April 29, 2011, 11:59 AM
2-3 MOA? I have always heard of accuracy to be quite well out of that weapon system, regardless of weather or not its a Super Match grade or a standard. What I basically want is a 500 yd semi auto 308. Not really thinkin the AR platform...

SpeedAKL
April 29, 2011, 03:07 PM
Look at the Super Match and M25 versions if you want accuracy and a composite stock. They're expensive but should deliver on your accuracy needs.

axeman_g
April 29, 2011, 03:18 PM
I highly recomend spending the extra $100 and get the Loaded model with synthetic stock, carbon steel med weight NM barrel, NM trigger and front sight, plus a little more care and affection put into building them. Well worth the extra coin. Mine is very accurate and while I have not had the chance to bench it, I think it will be well under 2MOA.
when you get it, go to .44mag.com and get some CMI mags, they are usgi and and are built like tanks.

alcook59
April 29, 2011, 03:27 PM
I would say you can do better then 2-3 MOA!!! Bushmaster states that all their AR's can shoot 1 MOA. I've just been getting into long range shooting, I've had a hole slew of people tell me I'm looking at spending 4-6K for a 1 MOA or less setup. Then I met a guy who is a retired marine sniper, he shoots out to 1500 yards with a .308 remington 700. After a few days shooting with him he has me down to about 1-1.5 MOA (up to about 800 yards) using a box stock remington 700 and a 180 dollar Bushnell Elite 3200. I would say you can get 1-2 MOA from a M1A if you can shoot decent. Try handloads, I cut my group size in half going from Gold Medal Match to handloads... As for the stock, get a synthetic. I love the look of wood, but it's not practical if it's going to be a camoed out shooter.

dprice3844444
April 29, 2011, 04:04 PM
you can specify criterian match grade chrome line barrels.get the 18 inch one.check out lrbarms.com and their receiver/scope system.you can go to fredsm14stocks.com and buy the brown military fiberglass stock.

15guns
April 29, 2011, 04:05 PM
I love Springfeild m14s or m1as.

dprice3844444
April 29, 2011, 05:05 PM
make sure you specify you want the front barrel band attached by screws to the gas system and the action bedded

http://stevespages.com/pdf/m14_accurizing.pdf

TIMC
April 29, 2011, 06:10 PM
If you want wood go with wood; if you want to paint go with composite.

I am not rich either but I have the M-21 and can tell you it is a sweet set up.

gunnysmith
April 29, 2011, 06:25 PM
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mljdeckard
April 29, 2011, 07:49 PM
I have tried this, and this is what I found.

The conventional stock doesn't work very well with the elevated scope mount. The mount doesn't give you any versatility to adjust eye relief, (the distance between your eye and the scope.) I would have to lean so far into the scope to use it, it would hit me in the eyebrow with every shot. Yes, snickers at the range. After realizing I would need to get some kind of elevated cheekpiece or a stock with a higher comb, I decided to park that idea for the time being and I tried the iron sights. The mount sat so low that I ran out of adjustment to dial in the irons as well. In other words, I was looking at a rebuild of the whole setup to make it work. Now I'm building an AR-10. Your call.

splithoof
April 29, 2011, 07:59 PM
An associate of mine with LOTS of M1-A experience builds his guns with most major parts made by Smith Enterprises. They also make complete rifles, and are a major step above Springfield, as I have seen.

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