Eaa witness 45acp 22lr combo


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CZ-75BD
April 30, 2011, 01:09 PM
Does anybody know if it worth buying this gun?
I like the .22LR kit option on it, but how good actualy gun itself?

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hardluk1
April 30, 2011, 09:04 PM
The eaa maybe the most accurate centerfire pistol you can buy short of spending many thousands of dollars. The 22 kit seem to work better with some of the 1400fps ammo than 1200fps ammo. You may still have some problems. Go to Brian enos eaa forum for more info and there is a winess forum I have seen in the past, it seems to be a new forum. Also cz forum has a "clone" section that mainly covers the witness. I had a witness match for play and local match. heavy ,yes but cost can be down around 500 dollars new. Only problems out might have with the pistol will be mag related if at all and they are tuneable. I shot some where around 4000 rounds in 2 calibers with 8 mags ,40sw and 9mm with not a single problem. Also henningshootsguns is a great guy that make upgrades to the witness line for compitition and does offer advise too.

CZ-75BD
May 3, 2011, 09:22 AM
Yesterday ordered EAA Witness 45/22 combo from Bud's Gun, waiting for arrival.

upjeeper
June 1, 2011, 09:17 PM
any updates?

CZ-75BD
June 2, 2011, 08:35 AM
Yes, got the gun, but did not have chance to go to range yet, just came from vacation yestarday. Looks solid, kit fitting well, .22LR magazine not steel - plastic, 45 blued steel, came in plastic box with two bore brashes.

hardluk1
June 3, 2011, 09:28 AM
With many 22 kits or centerfire pistol use some ammo that is atleast a pistol match or hotter. That would seem to be the giggest problem with the 22 kit. Haveing enough reocil to cyle well. Enjoy.

wally
June 3, 2011, 10:16 AM
With many 22 kits or centerfire pistol use some ammo that is atleast a pistol match or hotter.

To me this is the main reason to not buy a .22 conversion kit. I don't see the point if you need to use ammo that costs nearly as much as cheap 9mm. Unless you are a 2700 Bullseye shooter and want the same trigger for .22 and .45, but then the Marvel 1911 unit is pretty much the only game in town.

Gag_Halfront
June 3, 2011, 02:47 PM
I used to have a witness .45 years ago. My friends and I put _many_many_ thousands of rounds through that pistol and loved every second of it. I wish I'd never gotten rid of it. In fact, I'm currently in the market for a replacement.

In this layman's opinion, You bought a very nice, very accurate, very reliable pistol. Enjoy.

hardluk1
June 3, 2011, 05:49 PM
WALLY Agulla pistol match or federal auto match is CHEAP and HV. look it up. High velocity ammo or even stinger and the likes are what less than 8 bucks for a 100. Even the really cheap stuff in the big box's are HV ammo. Its the match standard velocity stuff that gets pricy. You don't shoot much 22 ?? I have some a payed 1.89 lately for 50. Even at 7 cents around thats 3.50 a box.

Walt Sherrill
June 5, 2011, 10:17 PM
Hardluk1 wrote:

With many 22 kits or centerfire pistol use some ammo that is atleast a pistol match or hotter. That would seem to be the giggest problem with the 22 kit. Haveing enough reocil to cyle well. Enjoy.

Can you cite some examples of this?

Nearly ever conversion kit I've seen or used worked fine with cheap bulk .22 -- but shoot more accurately with less cheap/more expensive ammo. (A number of the kits don't cycle the full slide -- just a segment inside the slide.)

I currently have a couple of CZs which work with their Kadet Kit. It's the most accurate .22 I've owned, and I've had a bunch. But it definitely likes some brands of ammo better than others.

wally
June 5, 2011, 11:38 PM
You don't shoot much 22

I shoot more .22 than my local Walmart can stock! But pretty much only the Federal Bulk pack.

CZ-75BD
June 9, 2011, 10:04 PM
OK here is the report:
Went today on range, took 22/45 EAA and CZ75BD with Kadet 22 conversion kit.
Load was 22LR Remington 525 Value pack Golden Bullet Hollow point.
First round in EAA had jammed, cleaned but had multiple jams. CZ with same bullet was OK just ones jammed. EAA with 45 barrel jammed on Hornady Hollow point on a first try, cleaned and shoot 10 with no problem. Remington .45 FJM no problem shoot 50 rounds. Forgot to mention - trigger on EAA is very sensitive just a little push and - bang!

ISO1600
June 9, 2011, 10:55 PM
in my experience, and many others', the Remington GOlden Bullet is the worst rimfire round available. Try at least the Federal bulk pack.

CZ-75BD
June 10, 2011, 08:34 AM
That what I figured, but it was on sale very cheap, and I got 1500 rounds...
That my first time using .22LR, you learn as you go...

hardluk1
June 10, 2011, 10:37 AM
good for you wally ole boy , good for you . I guess I like accurate loads and for me I have never owned a 22 that shot bulk well. But even your bulk is 11800 fps or faster an NOT standard velocity. It is High Velocity.

Remllez
June 10, 2011, 10:53 AM
I have been looking at that very combo lately and they seem to be well made and affordable considering that you get two guns in one. The plastic .22 mags seem cheap to me but may well function great. I look forward to your range review and pics.

Overkilll0084
June 10, 2011, 11:26 AM
My CZ Kadet kit has never seen premium ammo. It shoots Blazers just fine. I believe I've had 2 rds fail to fire (Bad rds). Aside from that it shoots them like it was made for them. The point? Expensive ammo is not necessarily required. Experiment with all sorts of different brands and figure out what works best for your gun.
A few weeks ago I loaned my MK3 to a guy for a pin shoot. He went and bought some expensive pistol match ammo for it. When I asked why, he said that he had been told that all .22 semis needed high quality ammo. (It's not the first time I've heard this) He looked a bit irritated when I told him that Blazers worked great and were pretty much the only thing it ever saw. MiniMags are premium ammo for my .22s. :D
Enjoy your Witness. They are a great deal for the cash.

TonyT
June 10, 2011, 11:31 AM
For some reaswon I could not get bthe 22 conversion kit to function reliably on my 45 ACP Witness. I finally sold the conversion kit.

CZ-75BD
June 10, 2011, 11:34 AM
hardluk1 NOT standard velocity. It is High Velocity.
Before shooting I took that kit to gunsmith and he told to use hight velocity, that why I got them. So looks like that not true?

hardluk1
June 10, 2011, 01:17 PM
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CZ-75BD
June 10, 2011, 05:35 PM
TonyT
I bought combo, not convertion kit, it came from factory, and fits like a glove, I think this is ammo problems

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