Only active FFL in District of Columbia closing


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MAKster
April 30, 2011, 01:59 PM
The only active FFL in the District of Columbia is closing. This means it will once again be impossible to buy a handgun despite the Supreme Court ruling. The owner says it is only temporary and he will move to a new location, but gave no specifics so it doesn't sound promising. This guy didn't even have inventory. All he did was out of state transfers for $125. Despite the Supreme Court ruling and changes to D.C. law, the zoning board has basically made it impossible to open a gun store because it has to be a certain number of feet from schools, churches, etc. About the only place you could open a shop would be in a remote warehouse area.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/districts-only-firearms-dealer-to-move/2011/04/29/AFvAGHHF_story.html

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Nushif
April 30, 2011, 02:12 PM
all he did was out of state transfers for $125.

holy cow!

shotgunjoel
April 30, 2011, 02:16 PM
all he did was out of state transfers for $125. holy cow!
Well he does have a monopoly on the market, and I'm sure that there are DC residents who would be willing to pay twice that to get their handgun transferred.

Bubbles
April 30, 2011, 03:50 PM
IIRC he bumped his transfer fee up to $150 recently.

I know other folks who looked into getting an FFL in DC and gave up as they couldn't get their rezoning applications past the city council.

Justin
April 30, 2011, 04:07 PM
Perhaps DC residents could contact Josh Sugarmann at the Violence Policy Center. He's got an FFL.

I wonder what he charges for a transfer.

Deus Machina
May 1, 2011, 01:26 AM
I thought the VPC was where I found stats for my public speaking class a while back, where their message was "OMG CCL holders killed 327 people last year!*"

"*325 were perfectly justified and one is currently in court, we just don't want to say that so stuck it in fine print."

Perhaps I'm wrong.

Anyway, The $150 transfer fee doesn't surprise me, and I'd be glad to pay it if I was forced to live in DC. I'll bet $120 of that goes to taxes, fees, licensing, and the hassle of dealing with the PD.

Grousefeather
May 1, 2011, 08:38 AM
Why would you reside there? VA is just over a bridge, I don't get it.

The Lone Haranguer
May 1, 2011, 08:43 AM
What is the law regarding buying firearms outside DC? Is it the same as buying across state lines?

AlexanderA
May 1, 2011, 09:00 AM
Why would you reside there? VA is just over a bridge, I don't get it.

Exactly. When I moved to the Washington area back in 1970, locating in Virginia was a no-brainer. And that was before the D.C. handgun ban.

The local D.C. politicos have outsmarted themselves. By making handgun acquisitions practically impossible (witness the only FFL dealer being hassled into closing), they have defied the spirit of the Supreme Court's Heller decision. This is going to lead to renewed calls in Congress to preempt the entire D.C. gun regulation scheme.

Actually, D.C. is a good example of what happens when gun laws overreach. Just as in Europe, there's a high degree of non-compliance.

gunnutery
May 1, 2011, 09:23 AM
IMO, zoning ordinances and laws are a growing threat to our freedoms, especially when it comes to guns and shooting ranges.

I think in some cases, City/County counsils don't realize the power they have and the effect it has people's lives. In other cases (DC/ Chicago/ LA etc) they DO realize the power they have and take advantage of it.

steelerdude99
May 1, 2011, 06:15 PM
As I am in Virginia, I saw this story on the 11:00 news last night (Channel 4 out of DC) and thought it was a lease not being renewed issue rather than the last FFL being ran out of town. However, we don’t know the reason for the non-renewal. With just one FFL dealer, he has (or had) the marker cornered. If over an extended period no FFLs fill the void, then I would suspect that the DC govt. has something to do with not approving any FFL business. That would be an administrative end-around the Supreme Court ruling.

What sounded strange in the story was the terminology used. It mentioned that the last place to “register your handgun” in DC has closed. I think the story had confused FFL and registration. I checked the DC government web and see that DC registration is independent of firearm acquisition via an FFL. see the link below:
http://mpdc.dc.gov/mpdc/cwp/view,a,1237,q,547431,mpdcNav_GID,1523,mpdcNav,|.asp

BY THE WAY, the DC registration pages say DC uses a merged version of the California, Massachusetts and Maryland approved gun lists. Better, but not by much. A stainless steel version of a gun is approved if the non-stainless in is. Where as in CA they are completely different guns and one must be torture tested (i.e. destroyed) to get on the list.

chuck

AlexanderA
May 1, 2011, 06:38 PM
If you live in D.C. and want a (legal) gun, it's quicker and easier to simply move to Virginia. The problem with D.C. is that both the criminal underworld in Southeast and the limosine rich in Northwest scoff at the laws that the activist bozos on the D.C. City Council purport to enact. "Home Rule" is just a way in which a tiny activist minority can perpetuate themselves in power indefinitely. They don't give a hoot about the actual rank and file people that live in the District. Congress should repeal Home Rule and go back to administering the District directly. Either that, or retrocede most of it to Maryland (sorry about that, Marylanders).

Ole Coot
May 1, 2011, 09:01 PM
I actually remember a "genuine gun store" in DC close to 12th & G NW in the early 60s. When I escaped in '78 most everyone on the street at night had one except me. I lived many miles down 95, different world in VA.

hirundo82
May 1, 2011, 09:06 PM
This sounds like an excellent opportunity for a court challenge. The question is whether the better suit would be against the DC city council for refusing to approve zoning for FFLs, or against the federal government for the interstate purchase provisions of the Gun Control Act.

Justin
May 1, 2011, 09:41 PM
I thought the VPC was where I found stats for my public speaking class a while back, where their message was "OMG CCL holders killed 327 people last year!*"

"*325 were perfectly justified and one is currently in court, we just don't want to say that so stuck it in fine print."

Perhaps I'm wrong.

No, you're not. VPC is probably the most virulent anti-gun organization going. They make Sarah Brady look like Quigly Paxton.

AlexanderA
May 2, 2011, 12:09 AM
Ole Coot wrote:

I actually remember a "genuine gun store" in DC close to 12th & G NW in the early 60s.

That may have been Irving's Sports on the corner of 10th and E Streets. I used to go there on my lunch hour in the early 70's. This was catty-cornered from the J. Edgar Hoover FBI Building, which was still being built at the time. A couple of blocks east on E Street, Herman's Sports also carried guns.

Grey_Mana
May 2, 2011, 09:37 AM
Lots of federal agencies in and around DC that buy, ship and dispose of firearms.

BATFE has a field division at 1401 H. Street, NW Suite 900
Washington DC 20336
[phone #, fax # and email on their website)

Most of BATFE headquaters is at
99 New York Avenue, NE
Washington, DC 20226 USA

Ideally, they would just make a few federal employees an FFL and task them with doing transfers at cost. [In case you are wondering, yes the federal government already has rules for figuring out such costs. For example - FOIA compliance]

Ole Coot
May 2, 2011, 10:15 AM
Ole Coot wrote:



That may have been Irving's Sports on the corner of 10th and E Streets. I used to go there on my lunch hour in the early 70's. This was catty-cornered from the J. Edgar Hoover FBI Building, which was still being built at the time. A couple of blocks east on E Street, Herman's Sports also carried guns.
You're correct. I worked the new FBI building at night after completion. Tight security, checked my pass, checked the "list", had an agent with me at all times but a good place to go, the boss didn't have the clearance to come in and check on me.

AlexanderA
May 2, 2011, 02:05 PM
Ideally, they would just make a few federal employees an FFL and task them with doing transfers at cost.

BATFE employees are administratively prohibited from having FFL's. It's considered a conflict of interest. (I used to work for the IRS when I had my FFL and that was considered barely within the limits of acceptability.)

The government certainly isn't going to get into the business of facilitating gun transfers for D.C. residents.

stickhauler
May 2, 2011, 06:31 PM
But they're quite willing to facilitate the movement of firearms into Mexico. Strange days indeed!

Bubbles
May 2, 2011, 11:05 PM
BATFE employees are administratively prohibited from having FFL's. It's considered a conflict of interest.
Not to mention many FFL's have a rather... adversarial... relationship with the folks at the BATFE.

Grey_Mana
May 3, 2011, 08:11 AM
BATFE employees are administratively prohibited from having FFL's. It's considered a conflict of interest. (I used to work for the IRS when I had my FFL and that was considered barely within the limits of acceptability.)

The government certainly isn't going to get into the business of facilitating gun transfers for D.C. residents.
It would not be a conflict of interest, if it were part of their routine job. As a for-profit side job, that would be a conflict. But filing out paperwork correctly is a routine part of a bureaucrat's duties. For example, some states allow intrastate transfer of a pistol at the state trooper barracks instead of through a FFL.

mgkdrgn
May 4, 2011, 12:12 AM
What is the law regarding buying firearms outside DC? Is it the same as buying across state lines?
Yep.

Hence, unless you were a resident somewhere else and owned a handgun before you moved to DC, any handgun you purchased outside of DC had to be shipped to an FFL (or -the- FFL in this case) in DC.

As there is now now FFL in DC, there is no legal way for a DC resident to get a handgun into the District.

Last time this FFL moved, it took the DC city government nearly 8 months to "approve" his new business address. I doubt they will move any quicker this time.

I told you guys at the time that they would find a way around Heller, and they have, by using the federal governments own laws. The DC City Council has made it quite clear that as long as they draw breath there will be NO gun store in DC, and they were just lickin their chops waiting for their chance to put this guy out of business.

Remo223
May 4, 2011, 12:34 AM
C&R license?

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