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O C
May 3, 2011, 09:52 AM
Now, on to more important things. The Conservative party in Canada won big time this week. Harper's administration will have a majority in Parliament without having a coalition. To our friends up north "Congratulations". Now I have been hearing rumblings about reversing some of the Draconian gun laws there. If some of our friends up there would chime in and give us a opinion of what the election may mean for those laws. Good, Bad, or otherwise?

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hirundo82
May 3, 2011, 10:17 AM
Hopefully this means the long-overdue death of the long gun registry at the least.

Dr_B
May 3, 2011, 11:40 AM
I'm happy to see the Progressive Conservatives won. I was in Quebec a few weeks ago and the news then sounded like the liberals would get control. They were talking about expanding health care and generally limited all sorts of other things the conservatives would have supported.

I lived in Canada for several years under a work permit. I was there when Harper first won in 2006. Actually met him once when he was speaking in Guelph, Ontario. My sense was that the conservative party was interested in gun rights, but that isn't their main priority. Their economy and their involvement in the middle east were prime concerns. And generally all the non-conservative politicians make LOTS of noise and they want to be anything that is not American.

Sam1911
May 3, 2011, 11:55 AM
[MOD TALK: Let's keep this as non-political as possible, and focused on RKBA.]

rodregier
May 3, 2011, 11:57 AM
My spin on this:

The Conservatives are not eager to introduce any more restrictions on firearms, unlike all of the other federal parties in Canada. That alone is a major victory. If we're lucky they'll eliminate the non-restricted long-gun registry, which is only a baby step in the right direction.

At least they won't be making the hole any deeper for the next 4 years.

O C
May 3, 2011, 12:00 PM
Will do, but isn't this a RKBA for our Canadian brothers-in-arms?

elkdomBC
May 3, 2011, 12:01 PM
Congratulations CANADA !

a huge MAJORITY Government WIN for the Canadian Conservative Party !( for clearing up some draconian/useless/hugely expensive guns laws)

the boil on the ar$e of Canadian Confederation (the Separatist- Bloc-Quebecois Party very anti-gun ownership) is decimated to almost non-existent members,
their leader, holding back tears took less than 2 minutes to Jump ship, and disappear into self pity,,,, hahaha

the Canadian Liberal Party(very,very anti gun ownership driven) was Decimated to a level NEVER before in Canadian political history hahaha

if you look North ?? soon you will notice some SMOKE !!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,coming from law-abiding Canadian Gun Owners BURNING very expensive, yet meaningless little REGISTRATION Certificates assigned to our Long Arms,,,,,, yippeee!

Sam1911
May 3, 2011, 12:06 PM
Will do, but isn't this a RKBA for our Canadian brothers-in-arms? Yes, it can be. Especially if we can keep it factual rather than conjectural and refrain from diverging into other social issues on these party's agendas.

m500'92
May 3, 2011, 12:11 PM
Expect the gun registry gone within 3 months. They're going to be introducing one huge bill including many criminal amendments, erasing the gun registry, along with many other bills that were scrapped when the liberals shut down the govt. (I'm assuming that includes the self defense/citizens arrest bill also)

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/harper-to-move-fast-to-use-his-new-authority/article2007581/

hermannr
May 3, 2011, 01:43 PM
Fantastic! That POS long gun registration is good as dead. What a money pit. But, you know, the NDP want to use long gun registration to confiscate all guns eventually.

Maybe next time we head to Canada to hunt it won't take 6 months to get the permits to bring our rifles.

I don't think it will happen, but I would be very happy to see the CFA 34 to be repealed too :D

I am an Expat Canadian

hirundo82
May 3, 2011, 02:04 PM
But, you know, the NDP want to use long gun registration to confiscate all guns eventually.

That's about what I figured--they seem very "progressive."

Standing Wolf
May 3, 2011, 02:14 PM
I am an Expat Canadian

I've met more than just one or two over the years: good people Canada doesn't seem to appreciate.

elkdomBC
May 3, 2011, 05:39 PM
the NDP Canada Party(New Democrat Party) with EXTREME anti-gun ownership platforms is driven by socialist agenda's,,

those of us in Canada that do not want to live on Government handouts and Welfare subsidies, or wear Hemp sandals and cuddle and sing Koohm-bye-ahhh,

refer quite cynically to the NDP leader (Jack Leighton ),,,as "TALIBAN-JACK" !

tekarra
May 3, 2011, 09:07 PM
Are you saying the Liberals got beat worse than Kim Campbell and the PCs in the early 1990s? Terrific if they did! It seems central Canada is starting to wake up.
Expat Albertan.

elkdomBC
May 3, 2011, 10:21 PM
nothing can compare with Kim Campbell and the 2 ( Conservative) parliamentary seats she had after that election 93,

but the Liberals today have about 34 and the Conservatives have about 167,,

Blackbeard
May 4, 2011, 12:54 AM
If Canada gets concealed carry before Illinois does, I'm going to be very mad.

Carl N. Brown
May 4, 2011, 05:37 AM
On New Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper's "secret agenda"

John Ivison, "Relaxed Harper misplaces the Secret Agenda", National Post, May 3, 2011, posted 2:07 PM ET

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/05/03/john-ivison-relaxed-harper-misplaces-the-secret-agenda/

Sounds like repeal is part of a not-so-secret agenda. I think Harper ran on it. Openly.

I have a stake in this: I still have my Klondike Big Inch Land Co. deed to one square inch of Yukon Territory that I got in 1955 from Quaker Cereal for being a loyal viewer of Sargeant Preston of the Yukon.

Canadian gun laws are used by gun control advocates as a model to impose in America: see Michael Moore Bowling for Columbine.

As I understand it, you can buy Norinco M14 semi-auto clones in Canada. I don't think though that was what Mike had in mind. The collapse of the Canadian national long gun registry as a useless fiasco, no law enforcement value, taking funds away from policies known to work, would be a huge message about gun control here.

MD_Willington
May 4, 2011, 03:32 PM
The long gun registry was almost abolished, if the long gun registry is abolished I doubt they will drop pistol registration, I also doubt they will allow more AR, AK etc pattern rifles to be imported.

RE: concealed carry, also doubt they will open up the ATC (authorization to carry), its pretty damn tough to get an ATC, didn't used to be though.

m500'92
May 4, 2011, 04:47 PM
AR15s are considered restricted and can't be used for hunting, them along with handguns and a few other (mean looking) guns will still have to be registered (as it has been since 1934). But at least it's a step in the right direction. And i highly doubt concealed carry will ever be legal in Canada, more likely for pistols to be banned than that. Many gun owning Canadians are still against handguns.

Sunray
May 4, 2011, 06:47 PM
"...If Canada gets concealed carry..." Won't happen.
Harper's bunch have only ever said they'd do away with the registration of typical hunting and sporting rifles and shotguns. Nothing else will change. Any firearm that is currently restricted or prohibited will stay that way.

hermannr
May 4, 2011, 08:59 PM
Sunray, I have several relatives that hope you are wrong. They want to see a lot more go away than just the long gun registration. We will see what will happen over the next 4 years.

Harper has enough of a majority that he can do pretty much whatever he wants, so we will find what he really has in mind. After being shut down on the private bill that was attempted, this new bill will not be a private bill, and may contain a lot more for us firearms owners than the one that failed by two votes.

Ignition Override
May 5, 2011, 12:16 AM
According to some Canadians at either "Gunboards", "Surplusrifle" or that site with the reddish brown maple leaf, Canada has allowed recent imports of Russian SKS rifles.

As Canada seems to have lots of Enfield #4 rifles (not just those issued to the Inuit Border Patrol), and due to the expensive burden of so many milsurps being stored/maintained, both the Canadian and US govts should allow large numbers of both types to be diverted to US importers.:)

m500'92
May 5, 2011, 10:51 PM
Harper also won't want to tarnish the image of the party, he wants Canadians to see the party as the center party, which they pretty much are. At best, hopefully he will completely repeal the Firearms Act, rather than just get rid of the gun registration part. Right now police don't even need a search warrant to search you're house if you have a firearms license and you are forced by law to tell where you keep your guns. The liberals can do whatever they want and the media will spin it their way, if the conservatives push things much, every news story in the country will be an attack at them.

m500'92
May 5, 2011, 10:55 PM
the NDP Canada Party(New Democrat Party) with EXTREME anti-gun ownership platforms is driven by socialist agenda's

He is nuts, he even wanted to have random searches for gun owners

http://www.rfcsask.ca/ndp-guns.html

At the May 27 and May 28, 1991 meetings of Toronto City Council, Jack Layton voted to endorse the Federation of Canadian Municipalities Big City Mayors’ Caucus resolution on Gun Control (May 10, 1991), which contained, among others, these demands for future gun legislation:

“Impose strict limits on the number of firearms and the quantity of ammunition that an FAC holder is permitted to purchase or own.”
“Semi-automatic and any military or para-military weapons should be removed from the category of Restricted firearms[1], and placed in the category of Prohibited firearms, permitted only to peace officers and other authorized persons.”
“The use of technologically-advanced detection devices and specially-designated spot-check search and seizure procedures should be implemented to enforce the banning of semi-automatics.”

The FCM Gun Control resolution also contained these additional explanatory comments, including:

“if an integral part of gun control is ending the proliferation of firearms, the number of arms an individual is permitted to own must be addressed.”
“People who own firearms should be subject to spot-checks to ensure that their weapons are being properly stored and maintained.”
“Firearms, like toxic materials or rabid animals, constitute a potential threat to public health and safety if not properly handled or secured.”

Shear_stress
May 6, 2011, 07:45 AM
According to some Canadians at either "Gunboards", "Surplusrifle" or that site with the reddish brown maple leaf, Canada has allowed recent imports of Russian SKS rifles.

Among other things that would surprise most gun owners in the States, you can buy a brand new AR-15 in Canada (some restricted, some non-restricted), semi-auto M14 clone, and Vz.58 (again, some versions restricted and some non-restricted). Newly imported Chinese and Russian SKSes are cheap and fairly plentiful up there. The issue is more about non-restricted long gun registration than availability.

rodregier
May 6, 2011, 12:19 PM
We can also have short-barrelled shotguns (as non-restricted) in Canada as long as they were manufactured that way, are manually operated and over 26" overall length. (Actual law is in metric units).

Norinco shorties are popular fare among the Canuck cognocetti :-) I really enjoy my 14" 870 clone, one of my friends has even a shorter unit...

hirundo82
May 6, 2011, 12:57 PM
“Firearms, like toxic materials or rabid animals, constitute a potential threat to public health and safety if not properly handled or secured.”

Replace "firearms" with "grandstanding politicians" in that quote and I think it is about right.

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