1911 R1 vs SR 1911


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GhostyDan
May 5, 2011, 04:51 PM
well im getting my first 1911 and im torn between these two. so witch would you get and why? and im open to other suggestions.
thanks

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deadduck357
May 5, 2011, 04:58 PM
One thing I don't like about the R1 is they only recommend you shoot ball ammo out of it.

wow6599
May 5, 2011, 05:00 PM
Jeff Quinn stated the Remimgton isn't 100% American made, the Ruger is.

crracer_712
May 5, 2011, 05:08 PM
I saw the R1 at the gun shows for around 590.00, I think it lists for 699? I was tempted but love the look of the new SR1911. Called the LGS to inquire about price, he'll sell it for 590.00, so I have one on order. That stainless just looks better to me than the R1 blued. If the R1 was less, I'd consider it maybe, I hadn't heard about the ball ammo only though. And yes, the Ruger is 100% american made and Hickok45 approved so far.

GhostyDan
May 5, 2011, 05:57 PM
yea the ruger looks pretty sharp

mmitch
May 5, 2011, 06:08 PM
Ghosty,

May I inquire, "Why not a Colt?"

Mike

JDGray
May 5, 2011, 06:09 PM
Get the Remington, cause I'm waiting for the Ruger:D
The R1 has a firing pin safety if it matters to you.

Husker_Fan
May 5, 2011, 06:12 PM
Everything I've read look at suggests the Ruger and Remmy will be about the same price once the rush to get the first Rugers slows down. Cabela's is advertising R1s for the "sale" price of $669. I think the Ruger is the better gun for the money, at least for me.

It comes with an extended safety, beavertail grip safety, and is cut for Novak sights. To me, at least, those are pluses.

The Lone Haranguer
May 5, 2011, 06:25 PM
A lot would depend on the price difference when the Ruger hits the streets in quantity. I've seen the Remingtons going for ~$590 at the local gun shows. Keep in mind that it is more of a "no frills" gun, the only enhancements being large sights and a lowered ejection port. (This is all you really need, BTW.) Curiously, it even has the old style thumb safety with only a tiny tab. If the Ruger - an all stainless steel gun with enhancements - is only ~$100 more, I would take a serious look at it.

hardworker
May 5, 2011, 06:26 PM
It really boils down to whether you want a traditional styled 1911 or one a little more modern.

GhostyDan
May 5, 2011, 06:28 PM
mmitch, what colt would you get. i havent looked at colts that much
same price range and features please

earlthegoat2
May 5, 2011, 06:31 PM
It would be pretty funny if the Ruger 1911 had a recall.

mmitch
May 5, 2011, 06:35 PM
Ghosty,

Your gonna have to add about 3 bills to the budget for a new Colt, but you can find a nice, pre-loved model 1991A in the same range as the Ruger.
I'm not bashing either of your previously mentioned choices, but, if you're gonna buy-in, why not consider a classic that will always be worth at least what you paid?
I gave $450.00 for this example, a few years back. It is among the most accurate handguns I own (around 90 pistols/revolvers), It's a COLT, and it didn't "break the bank".

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww310/satcong_01/1991A1_9198.jpg

Mike

GhostyDan
May 5, 2011, 06:39 PM
ill look into the colt thanks for the idea mmitch

mmitch
May 5, 2011, 06:44 PM
Ghosty,

I'll also add, it eats anything I care to feed it.

Mike

cyclopsshooter
May 5, 2011, 06:48 PM
i will bash the pos R1!! bash* get the ruger it has better steel

ColtPythonElite
May 5, 2011, 07:54 PM
If I had to have a gun today, I'd skip 'em both and get a Springfield...IMO, neither have been around long enough for the kinks to get worked out.

ThePunisher'sArmory
May 5, 2011, 08:15 PM
My first 1911 was a RIA 1911A1 Tactical, but i've been looking really close at the Ruger. People and I may hate Mr. Ruger's politics.......but I love their guns!!! However as mentioned above I wait for the bugs to be worked out and NEVER rush out and buy a new model gun. I like to wait, check the errornet, and ask around for people who have trigger time on it untill I buy.

bestseller92
May 5, 2011, 08:30 PM
The Ruger doesn't have a firing pin safety, per se, but it does have a lightweight titanium firing pin combined with an extra heavy spring, the combination of which serves to render it "drop safe".

gbelleh
May 5, 2011, 08:50 PM
Anyone know if Ruger is planning on making a commander version? And maybe different finishes?

Fishman777
May 5, 2011, 08:59 PM
I've read that Ruger plans on making a full lineup of SR-1911s, so I would assume that they plan on making a commander version.

rbernie
May 5, 2011, 09:03 PM
Sight unseen, I would tend to favor the Ruger. I have handled the Remington and it seemed OK enough, but I really want to see how Ruger meets their price point.

Husker_Fan
May 5, 2011, 09:05 PM
I've read that Ruger plans on making a full lineup of SR-1911s, so I would assume that they plan on making a commander version.

I think they've left themselves with a lot of flexibility. The raw castings from the downrangetv video looked like they could be milled with rails and had integral magwells.

Jed Carter
May 5, 2011, 09:07 PM
Perhaps an STI Spartan?

Quack
May 5, 2011, 10:00 PM
R1 and do some work on it yourself. I don't care for SS with black small parts that Ruger has.

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1162583234_gqEr8-L.jpg

You can also look for a nice pre-owned Springfield mil-spec.
I picked this one up a few weeks ago for $400, then added a trigger, 10-8 rear sight and grips. now trying to decide what direction that i want to take this one.

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-dXbSGQJ/0/L/i-dXbSGQJ-L.jpg

Kingofthehill
May 5, 2011, 10:30 PM
I haven't even seen the SR1911 yet but the R1 was the biggest POS 1911 ive owned. SO very glad i got rid of that in a trade.

JOe

Smaug
May 6, 2011, 02:07 PM
Between those two, I'd go with the Ruger, if you like the color scheme. I don't mind it, but I wouldn't say I like it either.

I was looking for one that was as close to the military 1911 as possible as far as bling goes.

I was about ready to buy a Parkerized Kahr 1911 or a Springfield Mil Spec. But my LGS didn't have the Mil Spec; only the next model up. Nicer finish and grips. But at the last minute, I saw the Para GI Expert next to it. It was $80 less expensive, had a better finish, (baked on powdercoat instead of parkerized) better mags, (stainless 8 rounders instead of parkerized 7 rounders) better front sight. (dovetailed in, more visible dots) It was a good buy at $550. I think they're even less on Bud's.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/jzorns/Guns/3a6f8c95.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/jzorns/Guns/259965d2.jpg

Here it is alongside my Daly Hi-Power:
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/jzorns/Guns/0f45dd50.jpg

One of my first targets with it:
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/jzorns/Guns/a681f226.jpg

If you don't like that model, check out the other Paras. They make a nice gun; they just don't advertise like Springfield Armory does.

JTQ
May 6, 2011, 02:18 PM
I don't think I'd buy either, but if I had to, I'd pick the Ruger. There are other makers with a much longer history of producing successful 1911's.

Some are critical of Ruger semi-autos, but at least they have some experience making them. This is the only handgun in the entire Remington line-up (not counting bolt action models). I would be hesitant to go in that direction.

Quack
May 6, 2011, 03:05 PM
this was on my first outing with the R1 and the first target that i shot at 15 yards.
The 4 high shots were me seeing what the POA/POI would be.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Mobile%20Uploads/4d130d34.jpg

The first magazine out of the R1 at 7 yards.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Mobile%20Uploads/a91df0fc.jpg

The other targets were from a friends brother that we took out to teach how to shoot.

GhostyDan
May 6, 2011, 05:38 PM
any info on the mil spec?

Quack
May 6, 2011, 05:40 PM
What do you want to know?

GhostyDan
May 6, 2011, 05:45 PM
is it a good gun compared to the ruger and R1 or better

Quack
May 6, 2011, 05:49 PM
The Ruger has no track record yet. I chose the R1 because it was better fit than the mil-specs that I've looked at and shoots better than my friends mil-spec. I recently picked up an older mil-spec that was made before 2002 and is fit better than the ones I looked at over a 6 month span.

GhostyDan
May 6, 2011, 05:51 PM
cool thanks
btw it pretty much boils down to im looking for the best 1911 for under $700

Quack
May 6, 2011, 05:54 PM
Pick the one that is put together well.

Missileman
May 6, 2011, 10:09 PM
I have had an R1 for 9 months and I love it.
Just a bit of info. Contrary to what the "internet" says, the Remington 1911 are 100% American made in NY. This has been stated by Remington on several occasions, but the rumor persists. It is tight and very accurate. It has a match grade stainless barrel. There have been some complaints about the trigger having a bit of creep, some not all. Mine had it. Remington fixed it free and fast. It was gritty and quite dirty from the factory. Cleaned and lubed it properly and it is smooth as glass. Slide and rails still look like brand new. Not much visible wear yet and mine has over 5K rounds. It is a tack driver shooter. I shot an 8 round clip into a standard silhouette at 75 yards. All were lethal, head, neck, and mostly center mass. Everybody who has shot it really likes it. All the workers at the range I go to come in an shoot a clip or two anytime I have it there. I also shoot my loads a little hot because I like the full experience when shooting. I usually load 200gr to about 1050-1100 ft/sec. Gun shoots them just fine and by the 1000's. It's still as tight as the day it came from the plant.
It really bothers me when people just continually claim knowledge about something that they heard from the cousin of a guy in Korea who told him his uncle in Australia told him how this gun sucks or is made of z-metal, etc.... In fact for the money, it's a damn good shooter, and well made. Are they all perfect? Of course not, but easily the majority are good guns.

Here's the very first clip fired from my R1 5". The low shot was first since most of my guns shoot 6 o'clock picture. Rest kinda went where they belong. This was 10 yards standing free hand:

http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx87/Missileman1/Remington/CIMG0147.jpg

And this was a shot after i put a set of Rosewood grips on it :)

http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx87/Missileman1/Remington/DSCN0071-1.jpg

Like quack says. Your pick. Pick what fits your taste, your shooting style, and most of all, your budget.

gym
May 6, 2011, 10:26 PM
How many words a minute can that remington type, they made typwritters you know then sewing machines, it's a pretty interesting story
http://www.sewalot.com/remington_sewing_machine.htm
But once you get in that range you are treading on thin ice, with much competition, so it better be a great pistol. I was just about to plunk down 400 on a mil spec Rock Island, another hundred gets you the tactical or your in taurus springfield territoy, then the ruger right there in the 5-600 range, from there it's a 100 to a kimber colt bla bla, so it would make sense that being the economy stinks we should see some pretty good deals going forward.Now Sig has some offerings in CDNN at the 6-7 hundred range in their 1911 guns, which I know nothing about, any 1911 sig guys here?
I have had 2 paras the p10 and p13, they both wre exellent, never had a problem with them, but their customer service sucks from my gun store guy, who buys a lot of stuff from them he couldn't get his own gun finished, "custom" 3 months of bull and he canclled and got a beautiful smith custom shop made to his specs for 3 hundred less in one week, they bent over backwards and he's a small shop, but has a lot of comp shooters.

GhostyDan
May 7, 2011, 12:03 AM
im been looking into the ruger more. any more info on it like where to buy it or anything to watch out for?

GhostyDan
May 8, 2011, 12:28 PM
anything else?

KMO
May 10, 2011, 08:54 PM
Only the Ruger is stamped, "Made in Prescott, Arizona" on the side of the slide. That seals it...case closed...Ruger, hands down...:cool:

sch84
May 11, 2011, 08:31 PM
Remington has a new 1911 model now. It has more custom features then the R1. It dose cost more the the standard R1. I still think the Ruger is a better choice though. Like said before I'm waiting for any bugs to be worked out, which seems to be a smart move with anything new from Ruger these days.

GhostyDan
May 15, 2011, 09:08 AM
thanks for all the suggestions guys they helped alot but somthings come up. im an AK guy and i hear that saiga 12 s may not be here much longer. so i might have to get one first ,but the 1911 is next i hope

Skylerbone
May 15, 2011, 01:08 PM
I did read and later confirm that the Ruger's plunger tube is integral to the frame rather than a staked part. It may not matter to most but should it ever be damaged (crack under stress or dropped) it will take some work and the proper tools to fit a new one.

That said, I have no experience with either. I've heard more compliments on the STIs and RIAs than their price points ought to allow and the same goes for both their service departments. I'm a bit underwhelmed at what I've heard about cs at Taurus and Para.

For around $750 you ought to be able to get in to a Colt or S&W (either new) and a tad more if you're interested in a Sig. Three more great options in my opinion though only the Colt will be a "traditional" 1911 as the other 2 sport external extractors. The other + to the Colt is of course the new rollmark for this year only announcing "100 Years of Service".

Your choice, lots of solid options and values to be had.

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