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BIGGBAY90
May 8, 2011, 08:52 AM
What is the lowest cal. You would carry and feel safe with

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M-Cameron
May 8, 2011, 08:57 AM
i have a feeling there are already a few threads on this......but in any event....

ide have absolutely no problem with .22lr........... .22WMR would be a little more comfortable but if you buy quality reliable ammo, theres no reason why not.

W.E.G.
May 8, 2011, 09:17 AM
Skip the head-scratching.

Go with the Glock 22.

The smaller calibers are for hobby, hunting, and training.

Usmc-1
May 8, 2011, 09:22 AM
obviously anything that fires and kills will be a good choice, personally I wouldnt carry anything smaller than a .38!

16shells
May 8, 2011, 09:27 AM
.357

Badlander
May 8, 2011, 09:57 AM
I carry A.45 acp or A .357 Mag depending on how I dress. Small calibers are for plinking!

DougW
May 8, 2011, 10:02 AM
.380 (Bersa Thunder)

Carry one all the time. Otherwise, 9mm Glock in some form.

towboat_er
May 8, 2011, 10:04 AM
380

jon86
May 8, 2011, 10:13 AM
38 special+p or a 9mm for me. I think the reliability of the platform and the shooter's ability are more important than the caliber.

skoro
May 8, 2011, 10:16 AM
380

Gordon
May 8, 2011, 10:21 AM
Although it is big with it's scope and pretty visable in the Uncle Mike's Bandellero holster, to answer your question exactly the .17 HMR Ruger Hunter . It is the "lowest caliber" I feel safe with - from animals 50 pounds and under.

Dryft
May 8, 2011, 10:21 AM
.45 ACP. If I'm carrying, I'm going to have no doubt as to the efficacy of the round in the chamber.

But has been said numerous times before, if you can't hit what you're aiming at, it don't matter what caliber it is, so comfort and experience with your chosen carry piece is key.

Ringer
May 8, 2011, 10:25 AM
38 special+p or a 9mm for me too.

Geckgo
May 8, 2011, 10:36 AM
Right now, the smallest pistol I have is a .380. Going to be getting a .22 LR for use as a plinker and a snake gun in the woods.

KimberUltra
May 8, 2011, 10:43 AM
9mm

Robert
May 8, 2011, 10:51 AM
9mm is as low as I'd go, though I carry a 45.

9mm+
May 8, 2011, 11:02 AM
.380 Auto. With the right load, it will do the job. The biggest advantage is the smaller pistol frame to be carried in your pocket.

LibShooter
May 8, 2011, 11:03 AM
.22LR.

Of course I often don't carry a gun at all and feel safe.

Jonah71
May 8, 2011, 11:13 AM
.38 spec. or a .380acp as a bug.

Robert
May 8, 2011, 11:22 AM
Of course I often don't carry a gun at all and feel safe.
I feel perfectly safe with or with out it. It is nothing more than another tool in the box. I have been on vacation for the last two weeks and did not bring my pistol with me. At no time did I feel unsafe. If one is relaying on their carry pistol for safety then one has utterly failed.

CTPhil
May 8, 2011, 11:30 AM
I have no problem with carrying a 22LR or a .25.

HankB
May 8, 2011, 11:34 AM
One of the best ways to stay safe is not to go looking for trouble . . . but if trouble finds me despite my best efforts, odds are I'll have either a .45, a 9mm, or a .357 on me. (The last is my "always" gun, an S&W 340Sc.) Choice depends on wardrobe.

If I HAD to, I'd make do with something like a Kel Tec P32 or a .380, figuring what amounts to a long icepick is better than nothing at all.

I would not willingly choose a .22 rimfire for defense because I've noticed a decline in reliability of .22 rimfire ammo over the last couple of decades.

captain awesome
May 8, 2011, 12:41 PM
700 Nitro Express.

BIGGBAY90
May 8, 2011, 01:57 PM
700 ne---yea right

Loosedhorse
May 8, 2011, 02:01 PM
Tell me the environment.

I've carried .22 WMR and I've carried .458 Lott. Both felt right, where I was at those times.

For defense against human attackers (and the more likely canine attackers) in the safe areas I usually find myself, my comfort floor is .38 Special. (Unless 9mm is "lower"--then that's my floor.)

Rexster
May 8, 2011, 02:01 PM
"Lowest" caliber? I reckon an ankle holster is the "lowest" carry position. I have ankle holsters that can accommodate .32, .357, and .40 weapons, all equally "low" to the ground.

"Low caliber" and "high caliber" are terms equivalent to low and high quality, and are not firearms-specific terms. I only carry high-quality weapons.

If you meant to ask what is the smallest-caliber firearm I will carry, well, normally, that would be .357 caliber, the bore diameter of the .38 Special and .357 Magnum cartridges. I have a .32 ACP pistol, a Seecamp LWS-32, that I might use for back-up, or on very unusual occasions as an only weapon.

BIGGBAY90
May 8, 2011, 02:12 PM
If you use a .357 mag then why have a back-up----that means you do trust a .32 acp (just wondering)

9MMare
May 8, 2011, 02:15 PM
For SD, 9mm or maybe .380.

And I am considering 'stopping' power, not ability to kill. .22 can kill, but probably not 'stop' an attacker quickly. In a conflict, I want to stop that attack, period.

This is why I do consider moving up to .45 acp. But there really isnt much data to show it 'stops' faster. Some, but not enough to overcome placement (IMO).

And capacity. So at the moment I am depending on placing as many accurate shots as possible to stop an attacker(s). I can carry more bullets in the 9mm. Shoot and keep shooting until the attack stops.

LOL, I know I'm just preachin' to the choir here for many of you. And then again, the caliber/placement discussion really never ends :)

WardenWolf
May 8, 2011, 02:16 PM
9x18 Makarov. No reason to go below that.

PRM
May 8, 2011, 02:18 PM
My EDC is either a Model 60 S&W or a Walther PP in .32ACP.

I probably carry the Walther the most. Its flatter and is easier to carry without printing. The nine shot capability is nice, its accurate, function is flawless, and its down right fun to shoot.

JoelSteinbach
May 8, 2011, 02:33 PM
38special but a NAA 22mag as bug

Rexster
May 8, 2011, 02:42 PM
Q: "If you use a .357 mag then why have a back-up----that means you do trust a .32 acp (just wondering)"

A: I am not sure I understand the first part of the question. A back-up weapon can come into play for any number of reasons, from an empty primary weapon, to the primary weapon being lost or damaged, to the primary weapon being inaccessible due to injury or body position, or the usual weapon hand being too busy at the moment to reach the primary weapon.

As far as trusting a cartridge, well, all any firearm will do, for sure, is make a hole. More powerful cartridges might make holes that are deeper and less likely to change direction when meeting resistance such as heavy bone. High-velocity cartridges might induce some amount of kinetic energy dump to enhance the effect. Heavier bullets might be more likely to maintain the desired path through an adversary's body. Regardless of what I may fire at an adversary, I should still get out of the path of his attack, and be ready to keep moving and keep shooting, or go hands-on as required.

When I move toward the sound of gunfire, or otherwise go looking for trouble, and have a choice in the matter, I arm myself with a shotgun, and may select-load a slug or two. (I wear a badge, so looking for trouble is sometimes required of me.) Everything less than a long gun is a compromise. Yet, the late, great Jim Cirillo has told me, in print and in person, that even 12 Gauge slugs and buck can fail to stop an adversary.

So, do I trust a .32? I trust the weapon to fire the cartridge, and the bullet to leave the barrel, within the limitations of mechanical reliability. I would rather trust a .357 Magnum.

EddieNFL
May 8, 2011, 02:44 PM
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I recall watching a movie where the hero is forced to retreat to a basement where he finds an over/under shotgun. I remembering thinking, "I would rather have an 870," but that was the best available (he defeated the BGs, BTW).

Kendal Black
May 8, 2011, 02:51 PM
What is the lowest cal. You would carry and feel safe with
Oh, around a 12 gauge.

M-Cameron
May 8, 2011, 03:17 PM
I would not willingly choose a .22 rimfire for defense because I've noticed a decline in reliability of .22 rimfire ammo over the last couple of decades.

you see......i have literally fired thousands upon thousands of rounds of .22lr......and i have never had a failure to fire.....

if you shoot quality made ammo, and not cheapest bulk box you can find at walmart.......they are just as reliable as any other ammo.

ChCx2744
May 8, 2011, 03:19 PM
If I had a choice, I'd say nothing smaller than .380, .38 special and 9mm in a handgun. This is assuming, of course, we're talking about handgun carry.

4v50 Gary
May 8, 2011, 03:23 PM
.380 ACP.

I have carried a 22 LR as a backup.

fastbolt
May 8, 2011, 03:53 PM
When I was a new cop the "smallest" defensive handgun calibers I was willing to carry were .357 Magnum & .45 ACP.

There was a short time when I bought some smaller caliber handguns and carried them, .22LR, .25 & .380 ACP.

Nowadays, after having spent a career in LE and more than 20 years as a firearms instructor, I'm satisfied with .38 Spl +P and 9mm as the "smallest" defensive calibers I commonly carry.

mljdeckard
May 8, 2011, 03:58 PM
9mm.

However, I will admit that .380s have come a long way. I'm getting my mother a Walther PK-380 because it's the only one I could find that she can rack, due to a poorly-healed broken left wrist. I'll get a couple of cases of Double-Tap for it.

CZguy
May 8, 2011, 04:33 PM
you see......i have literally fired thousands upon thousands of rounds of .22lr......and i have never had a failure to fire.....

if you shoot quality made ammo, and not cheapest bulk box you can find at walmart.......they are just as reliable as any other ammo.


I shoot a great deal of .22 LR ammo, both Wal-Mart bulk packs for plinking, and high end stuff for competition.

The bulk pack ammo will generally have a few failures to fire out of each box. The high end stuff, is much better, but still not perfect. For any application where the gun has to shoot each and every time, without fail.........I would choose something in a center-fire.

But, that's just me.

jiminhobesound
May 8, 2011, 05:35 PM
.32 acp with bufallo bore ammo

gbran
May 8, 2011, 05:53 PM
What is the lowest cal. You would carry and feel safe with

Since it's all about shot placement, we could all carry pellet pistols.

jimmyraythomason
May 8, 2011, 06:20 PM
Hollow point 22lr. If the time should come that I would need it,I would be happy to have anything.

HavelockLEO
May 8, 2011, 06:28 PM
I carry a Glock 22 everyday, on or off duty. My derpartment wont allow anything less than a .380, and no single actions to my on-going dispair..........

JohnBiltz
May 8, 2011, 07:36 PM
I've never carried below 9mm. In certain situations I could see carrying .380 but I would not be comfortable doing so. In truth I'm almost as concerned about pit bulls as people and thinking seriously about going up to .45 rather than down to .380.

M-Cameron
May 8, 2011, 07:48 PM
I shoot a great deal of .22 LR ammo, both Wal-Mart bulk packs for plinking, and high end stuff for competition.

The bulk pack ammo will generally have a few failures to fire out of each box. The high end stuff, is much better, but still not perfect. For any application where the gun has to shoot each and every time, without fail.........I would choose something in a center-fire.

But, that's just me.

well one could say the same thing about center fire.......not EVERY round is always made perfectly....

the thing is, among quality ammo (both rim and centerfire), i have never seen anything, both in my own experience or any studies that say that rimfire is any more less reliable than centerfire.

Taurus 66
May 8, 2011, 07:48 PM
It's probably not the caliber that is what's important here (since a .22 LR can kill too), but the size of the gun for the caliber. A lot of people want the maximum caliber they can get in the smallest frame available. I wouldn't feel at all safe carrying a .22 caliber handgun in the wilderness, but the same cannot be said for the streets.

punkndisorderly
May 8, 2011, 08:13 PM
38 special/9mm are about as small as I'll go. I've heard a few different gun writers say that 380 is the new 9mm. That thanks to new and improved bullet designs the 380 rounds of today are much, much improved over what was available even 5 or 10 years ago. Dunno if it's true.

I carry a 9mm (G26) and have never felt the need to go to anything smaller. It's small enough, light enough, and carries well with a quality belt/holster.

I'd never even think about using a 22 for defense unless it was the only option. Other than concealed carry in a speedo or a disabled/elderly person who was too weak to handle anything larger. There aren't may instances I could think of where that would be the only option though.

CZguy
May 8, 2011, 08:18 PM
well one could say the same thing about center fire.......not EVERY round is always made perfectly....

the thing is, among quality ammo (both rim and centerfire), i have never seen anything, both in my own experience or any studies that say that rimfire is any more less reliable than centerfire.

My experience has been different, but I think that your mind is made up. So carry what ever you feel safe with.

(after all it doesn't affect me.......this is just the internet) :p

Owen Sparks
May 8, 2011, 08:53 PM
It all depends on the type of firearm.

With a handgun, .357 Magnum in a revolver or .40 in an auto.

With a rifle, 6.5MM

With a shotgun, .62 (20 Ga)

M-Cameron
May 8, 2011, 09:26 PM
My experience has been different, but I think that your mind is made up. So carry what ever you feel safe with.

(after all it doesn't affect me.......this is just the internet)

no, my mind isnt made up.......

if you can show me something that proves( or at least lends support to..) quality rimfire are inherently less reliable than centerfire.....other than, " i bought this box of federals at Bigmart and every other round was a FTF"....i would like to see it.

mechanically speaking, there is really little reason why a well made rimfire would not be as reliable as a well made centerfire.

DAP90
May 8, 2011, 09:29 PM
380

Although if all I had was a 22lr I wouldn’t be too worried about it.

Whiskey11
May 8, 2011, 09:29 PM
.357 (specifically 38 special +P), but only in revolver form. Autoloader form would be .40S&W. I'm not too thrilled about 9mm +P loads, and I'm usually even less thrilled about the size of the firearm. I have big hands, and even a .45ACP XD Tactical feels small in my hands.

Consequently, a Springfield Armory XD45 Tactical is EXACTLY what I carry, openly, daily, for work and I doubt any concealed carry weapon I have in the future will be anything but .45ACP. I like the round way too much :)

FruitCake
May 8, 2011, 09:31 PM
32. In my P32.

Gordon
May 8, 2011, 09:35 PM
I win ! I said a .17 Ruger Single Six hunter with a Burris scope which I CARRY around the ranch when working a field .:neener:
That is the lowest caliber so far mentioned and I win, a priori,:D given the terms of question . So unless one of you packs a Lilput or Kolibri or a Stevens Pocket rifle in .14 Flea I win the "lowest caliber" prize!:rolleyes:

bhk
May 8, 2011, 10:01 PM
Look over on rimfire central for information on rimfire misfires. Some brands, like Remington bulk, are notorious for high rates of failure. Never heard of such problems with any particular brands of centerfire ammo and I have been at this game for many decades.

Carter
May 8, 2011, 10:02 PM
All I own is two 9mm's so I guess it'd be a 9. I'd probably never carry anything smaller though.

SubZero
May 9, 2011, 12:14 AM
Lowest caliber on my hip is a 40 S&W XD subcompact. Hands down the most versatile gun I've ever used.

oerllikon
May 9, 2011, 12:39 AM
I usually dont carry, but i usually do carry a 4 1/2" folder. I just have a cz 75 in 9 luger, so I guess thats the lowest.

duns
May 9, 2011, 12:52 AM
I carry the largest caliber compatible with what I am wearing on the day. That's usually a snub nose 357 magnum but could be a compact or full size 9mm. I'm about to start carrying my Colt 1911 .45 ACP on occasion when clothing allows. Having read some stories recently about what it feels like to be shot with a .22, I think you could even carry a .22 if that's all that is compatible with your wardrobe. Though if you knew you were going to a gunfight, I think you would regard 357 magnum or 9mm as the minimally suitable caliber to pack.

armsmaster270
May 9, 2011, 12:54 AM
38 special

RichBMW
May 9, 2011, 04:31 AM
.380
Wallet, cellphone, LCP in pocket holster. Works great in cargo shorts here in sultry Florida.

BIGGBAY90
May 9, 2011, 04:31 AM
Sorry gordon---this was not a contest, just what one would carry and feEl safe :o(

makarovnik
May 9, 2011, 05:07 AM
.25 acp

Deanimator
May 9, 2011, 05:45 AM
I won't carry anything of lesser power than .38 Special or 9x19mm for self-defense. I don't even own a defensive handgun in a lesser caliber.

doc2rn
May 9, 2011, 08:15 AM
Smallest HD gun is a SP101 in .32 H&R Mag
Smallest CCW is a .22LR NAA
Smallest rifle is a Malin mod 60

Every weapon has a different application. You employ the system you need for a desired purpose. I hunt with a Ruger 77/22 Mk II frequently, but I know its not bringing down a griz at 700 yds either. Fill the hand with the most gun you feel you can handle.

CajunBass
May 9, 2011, 08:45 AM
If it's what I had handy, I wouldn't hesitate to carry a 22. I've done it before. I've also carried an old 32 S&W long revolver.

Whatever I happen to feel like carrying that particular day, really.

Sav .250
May 9, 2011, 08:49 AM
What is the lowest cal. You would carry and feel safe with
That`s pretty vague but ..................a .22 cal.

22-rimfire
May 9, 2011, 09:12 AM
22LR is the smallest. Generally my rule of thumb is 380 ACP or more powerful.

USAF_Vet
May 9, 2011, 09:48 AM
I'd carry a .22, but would prefer something in .380 or .38 as a minimum.

youngda9
May 9, 2011, 10:02 AM
9mm

T.R.
May 9, 2011, 10:25 AM
22 MAG. Tested: Big hole in watermelon at 12 feet!!

TR

merlinfire
May 9, 2011, 01:11 PM
punt gun. because its size that matters.

rugerman
May 9, 2011, 02:30 PM
If it came down to it I would carry anything that was available, if no gun then a knife or a rock. Any port in a storm.

gatorjames85
May 9, 2011, 02:39 PM
It's not a black and white thing for me. I am more comfortable with a .22lr than nothing. If I knew I would be getting into a gunfight, I wouldn't be comfortable with any handgun out there.

RaceM
May 9, 2011, 03:34 PM
HV 22 LR hollow points.

wallerus
May 9, 2011, 04:30 PM
Carter Arms Bulldog 44. No more, no less.

HGUNHNTR
May 9, 2011, 04:37 PM
I would carry any caliber of small firearm.

blakeci
May 9, 2011, 04:43 PM
I'm of the persuasion that 12 rounds of .32 acp out of a Beretta 81 is sufficiently comforting.

grasssnake
May 9, 2011, 05:10 PM
10 mm full size 1911 or 45 full size 1911 or commander length on the strong side and 9 mm ultra aegis kimber on weak side.

speedway
May 9, 2011, 06:29 PM
9mm is the smallest.

I carry a .357 everyday. On a rare occasion, I will carry my Glock 26.

NMGonzo
May 9, 2011, 06:34 PM
88 magnum

Deltaboy
May 9, 2011, 06:51 PM
22 lr !

CZguy
May 9, 2011, 07:33 PM
22 lr !



:what: Shorts are plenty good. Heck with long rifles you'll have some defense attorney accusing you of gross overkill. :D

Intrepid Dad
May 9, 2011, 10:06 PM
I'd carry either a 9mm or a .38 Special. My EDC is a .45 ACP.

Weevil
May 10, 2011, 01:39 AM
Over the years I've carried .22s, .25s, and .32s, but I nowadays I don't go below a .380 and usually carry a 9mm for CCW purposes.

Still any of them are better than nothing.

FatPants
May 10, 2011, 01:44 AM
.38 special

ArfinGreebly
May 10, 2011, 02:23 AM
I can keep ten rounds of .22 LR inside a 4-inch circle at 30 feet, rapid fire.

There's a certain comfort in that knowledge.

I can do almost as well with a single-stack 9mm pocket pistol at the same range, but that's only seven or eight rounds, depending on the magazine in use.

That's also comforting.

I can put three or four (occasionally six) out of twelve inside that same circle at the same range from a .40 S&W, also rapid fire. The rest of the rounds make a kind of pattern out to six or eight inches.

Not quite as comforting, but still, four-to-six rounds of .40 in the ruin-your-day zone is probably adequate.

So I could carry the .22 and find that comforting, but I believe max comfort is going to be the 9mm pocket pistol.


Speaking theoretically, if I had a chance to become proficient with something in .380 or .32 ACP, I believe I'd be happy to carry one of those. I've often contemplated picking up one of those little 1907/1917 Savage pistols in .32 just to see whether I can hit anything with it. If I could, I'd add the .32 to the list.

bpl
May 10, 2011, 06:46 AM
380

Pete D.
May 10, 2011, 07:20 AM
Depends on what..
Mostly...it'd be a .22, either .22LR as a general walk around gun or something like the 5.7X28 if the social milieu is more threatening (I generally stay away from those places).
When I was walking in the woods in AK, a friend had lent me a .40 S&W Glock....I did not feel comfortable with that. It was, however, all that I had.
Pete

BBQLS1
May 10, 2011, 09:30 AM
.38 Special +P or 9mm +P

bayhawk2
May 10, 2011, 09:49 AM
I think anything below a .380 is better than nothing,
but a .380 is the minimum for me.Ruger LCP to be exact.

Travis McGee
May 10, 2011, 11:51 AM
.380 if nothing bigger is conceivably concealable.

A flat single stack .380 can be hidden anywhere except on a naked person.

Travis McGee
May 10, 2011, 11:53 AM
ArfinGreebly: I used to know some .22 target pistol shots who had no need to ever carry bigger. They could hit coin-sized bulls at 50 feet all day long, including rapid fire. Just aime between the running lights, SEAL style. Need say no more.

mbt2001
May 10, 2011, 12:45 PM
When I walk my dog, I often carry a .25 lorcin. It is small, easy to conceal, and fits my needs. I also carry pepper spray and would use that before the .25.

Sometimes when I am hunting / hiking I only carry a .22LR six gun.

Your brain and telephone are the largest weapon in the arsenal.

EDIT:

Do not bother to slam my lorcin with gun snob ignorant opinions. I would put it against anything and have.

Hoppes Love Potion
May 10, 2011, 01:32 PM
The ONLY calibers I have carried are .22lr, .22Mag, and .25ACP.

So yeah, pretty much any wimpy round is OK for me.

rozziboy18
May 10, 2011, 02:01 PM
9mm
they say 380 but i say nay nay

hermannr
May 10, 2011, 02:17 PM
I would have no problem carrying a FN FiveseveN (5.7X28, which is actually just a high powered .22) If I had one (I do want one, now for the $$$$)

shooter429
May 10, 2011, 02:21 PM
Are we talking bear country or mean city streets or a country store, for example.

1. Have a gun
2. Use enough gun.
3. Carry as much gun as you can handle effectively

Obviously, out in the woods, I would be comfortable with a 12 Ga. riot gun or .30-06 and a .44 Mag. as backup.

In town .40 S&W or .45 ACP

Bigger is better.

Shooter429

clamman
May 10, 2011, 03:12 PM
I carry a NAA in 22 magnum, but if they could come up with a good fitting holster, a 81MM mortar would be nice.

dovedescending
May 10, 2011, 03:20 PM
9x18 Makarov is the smallest caliber I CAN carry, currently :)

Bohemus
May 10, 2011, 03:52 PM
I carried .22l.r. on few ocasions and didnt feel underpowered - after all it was still more fire power than 99% Europeans can carry.

LawScholar
May 10, 2011, 04:21 PM
.380 Automatic in urban/civilization setting

.40 S&W when possible/out in the boonies

.357 Magnum in the wilderness

Dr.Rob
May 10, 2011, 07:48 PM
.380 though I've open carried plenty of .22 pistols, their primary purpose wasn't defense.

cleardiddion
May 10, 2011, 07:51 PM
Honestly, just about anything as long as I can haul it around; but, preferably .380 and above.

Nom de Forum
May 10, 2011, 08:21 PM
Any caliber above .0 if that is all that is available. The smallest ammunition I own is 2.7 mm Kolibri, and I hope it never becomes a necessity. I carry as small as .32 acp when clothing makes it impossible to prevent detection of anything larger under all conditions. However, I once successfully concealed a Bodyguard in a bathing suit when frisked during a MOUT exercise involving hostages. There is at least one class of Green Beanie students that never again failed to grab the sack when conducting a frisk.

MrWesson
May 10, 2011, 08:33 PM
Ive grabbed my .22 before to walk to the mailbox.

but a gun with the purpose of carry .38 special/.380

thefamcnaj
May 10, 2011, 08:52 PM
9mm is as low as i feel comfortable with. I primarily carry a g19. I own .40 and .45s as well and my wifes 38 specials she swears by. I feel comfortable with a high cap. 9mm. I shoot follow up shots most accurate with the g19. 2 or 3 rounds of 9mm to the chest is just as effective to me personally as say....a shot to the stomach and the upper left thigh LOL (i tend to shoot low and left with my g27 if i'm not concntrating)

woerm
May 10, 2011, 10:43 PM
Norinco's clone of the TT-33

works nicely. fits my paw and does .5 " groups as long as I'm feeding it S&B

group opens up a bit w/ Norinco's own stuff (tolerances or lack thereof and all

that):D

There's a 1903 Hammerless .32 for 'dress occasions'.:cool:

rogertc1
May 11, 2011, 06:21 AM
Have carried and would carry a 22LR or 25Auro or 32Auto.

45_auto
May 11, 2011, 07:54 AM
What does everyone posting have on them RIGHT NOW?

Doesn't matter what the "smallest caliber you will carry is" if you don't have it on you when the SHTF.

Best answer I ever saw was when a bunch of us were sitting around discussing the subject of this thread. An old codger pulled a Baby Browning (.25 ACP) out of his pocket, plunked it on the table, and said "This is what I got, what are y'all carrying?".

Since no one else had their .380, 9mm, .38, .45, etc, etc, he won by default .... :)

Madcap_Magician
May 11, 2011, 01:04 PM
.38 Special +P.

I draw the line just above the .380 ACP.

wow6599
May 11, 2011, 01:18 PM
Any centerfire caliber works for me. IMO, it's all about where you put the lead, not how big the hole is. Woods carry is different; .357 Mag, no less than a 3" barrel.

Cop Bob
May 11, 2011, 03:31 PM
Personally. .380 or better to open, with hand loads, however as of late there are some pretty good commercial rounds now being loaded for it..

Now, if I got my hands in the right .32 revolver, in 32H&R mag or .327 Max.. with some load development that could prove to be a winner..

22lr would defiantly work, with the right ammo and barrel length,, There have been more fatalities recorded with the 22lr than all other rounds.. Not my 1st choice, but depending upon how I had to dress, the occasion.. it could have a place..

The 25acp, no way, I have seen the post shooting reports where suspects took multiple rounds from 25 acp's and shook them off and kept coming.. one in the bridge of the nose and it ringed and popped out his forehead!! It never penetrated the skull... Real Deal... The bad guy continued his assault on a Undercover Officer on a buy-bust, fortunately there was a uniform back up that put him down with a 44..

jkulysses
May 11, 2011, 03:33 PM
.38+p's but my carry gun is a .357mag LCR that I carry mag rounds in.

Nom de Forum
May 11, 2011, 03:35 PM
Good point, 45_auto! For me it is a PF-9, now and approximately 50% of the time when I am not checking my eyelids for waterproofing. Thirty years ago when I was a member of the Cult of the .45 and carried the sacred 1911 I would have thought it heresy to ever primarily carry a compact 9mm. My how times do change, or is it that experience broadens perspective?

carbuncle
May 11, 2011, 03:47 PM
I'd feel safer carrying anything than nothing at all. That being said, I prefer at least a .380 which is what my EDC is now. The size of my gun, the S&W BG380, has allowed me to get back to full-time, 7 day a week carry. I'd also feel comfortable carrying a .38 snubbie with no reservations, and did for a couple of years.

Water-Man
May 11, 2011, 03:47 PM
.380 loaded with Buffalo Bore +P Hardcast.

AZ Desertrat
May 11, 2011, 07:17 PM
.38 Special or 9mm

matt_borror
May 11, 2011, 11:45 PM
with todays compact pistols i see no point in carrying a .380 so 9mm

JTHunter
May 12, 2011, 01:04 AM
As my .22LR/.22Mag revolver is too big for concealment, a palm-sized .25 ACP is the smallest I would go. I would prefer to carry my .380 however.

rogertc1
May 12, 2011, 06:26 AM
KelTec .32Cal and an old 38 colt Detective.

Smokey in PHX
May 12, 2011, 10:26 AM
22lr/.380

tiro6
May 12, 2011, 10:31 AM
Carry a .38 snubby when i want something small. otherwise its usually a .40 cal.

zekelopezjr
May 12, 2011, 02:36 PM
I carry a .380 LCP with hollow point.

BIGGBAY90
May 12, 2011, 08:23 PM
Lots of .380 out here

crafter32034
May 12, 2011, 09:28 PM
I do own 1 .380 poodle shooter, but my edc is either a 1911 or a .357 LCR

jcwit
May 13, 2011, 02:15 AM
I normally carry either a .32 ACP or a .380. With said its my understanding more civilians are killed with a .22 rimfire than any other caliber.

Sidd
May 13, 2011, 03:58 AM
I personally reccomend nothing less than a 9mm Luger.

AlexM
May 13, 2011, 11:17 PM
I too would agree that there's nothing wrong with a .22 In the end the bullet that wins the firefight is the one that hits its mark. The .22 and certainly be lethal. I think if I were taking a sidearm with me into the mountains on a hunt and risking a possible Bear, now I'd up that caliber.

snatale42
May 15, 2011, 03:09 PM
9mm

cpljohn
May 16, 2011, 12:35 PM
.22 for me. Alot of people say that it isn't a big enough caliber, but believe me it will work. I have an NAA .22lr that I use for a CCW. The way I see it, if I need to shoot you then you are close enough for a center of mass hit or a headshot. If you are farther away, I can just leave. You won't see a small .22 coming till it's too late.

Weevil
May 16, 2011, 12:42 PM
I wouldn't count on those headshots with a .22.


I was at a friends when one of his teenage kids got shot in the head with a .22. He was howling like a short changed arab but upon inspection of the wound we found the bullet was stuck in the skin of his forehead.

His mother pulled out the bullet with some tweezers and put a band-aid on the hole, and their dad took the gun away from them.

Seeing that kinda shook my confidence in small caliber weapons.

cpljohn
May 16, 2011, 12:54 PM
One other thing... How many people that say they feel "undergunned with anything less than a 9mm" have ever been in a shootout? Not many. We live in the USA, not Falluja. IMHO and I mean no disrespect to any other members but I think that the feeling of being undergunned is more paranoia than a realistic mindset.

OldCavSoldier
May 16, 2011, 12:56 PM
.380ACP is the minimum, but I usually carry .38SPL

cpljohn
May 16, 2011, 01:08 PM
The forehead is the thickest part of the skull, but I really can't see that happening too often. That would be a once in a lifetime shot. I knew a guy from a while back that got hit twice in the chest with an AK and lived to bs about it. Unless you use some kind of poison tipped bullets even a .45 won't guarantee a kill. I'm not saying that if I knew I was going up against another shooter I wouldn't prefer something a little more convenient, but for every day carry I am perfectly comfortable with the NAA .22LR.

Weevil
May 16, 2011, 01:10 PM
One other thing... How many people that say they feel "undergunned with anything less than a 9mm" have ever been in a shootout? Not many. We live in the USA, not Falluja. IMHO and I mean no disrespect to any other members but I think that the feeling of being undergunned is more paranoia than a realistic mindset.


Well when and if you ever are in a gunfight that wouldn't be the best time to discover you're "undergunned".

Since I've never been in a gunfight and hope I never will be, I use the examples of those who have and are on a fairly regular basis such as the police and the military. I don't know of any LEOs or military units that issue .22s.

What's more I don't think the local badguys are gonna be any easier to stop than the ones in Falluja.

I used to carry a Beretta 950 in .25acp but after what I seen personally with that .22 getting stopped by bone, I no longer trust small calibers.

To each his own though, if you feel a .22 is more than enough gun for any potential risks you might encounter then by all means carry one.

CTPhil
May 16, 2011, 01:11 PM
There's got to be more to the forehead story. I've dropped 2000 lb. bulls with a single shot from a .22.

Weevil
May 16, 2011, 01:16 PM
No that was it.

What's more it wasn't some little pocket .22 it was one of those cowboy six-shooter types with at least a 5 or 6" barrel.

I have also read of several cases of .22s and larger calibers being stopped by the skull or simply going between the skin and the skull and exiting the opposite side.

The skull is very thick and hard and not easily penetrated.

Most of those "executions" you hear about with a .22 or a .25 are into an ear cavity and the small caliber round richochets around inside the skull because it isn't powerful enough to exit the other side. Clean and neat and no nasty blood and brains to clean up afterwards.

cpljohn
May 16, 2011, 01:24 PM
Well when and if you ever are in a gunfight that wouldn't be the best time to discover you're "undergunned".

Since I've never been in a gunfight and hope I never will be, I use the examples of those who have and are on a fairly regular basis such as the police and the military. I don't know of any LEOs or military units that issue .22s.

What's more I don't think the local badguys are gonna be any easier to stop than the ones in Falluja.

I used to carry a Beretta 950 in .25acp but after what I seen personally with that .22 getting stopped by bone, I no longer trust small calibers.

To each his own though, if you feel a .22 is more than enough gun for any potential risks you might encounter then by all means carry one.
I agree with you that everyone's particular needs are different. I don't really want to get into my personal experiences, but I will tell you that I did a few days of training with IDF guys. They said they are issued .22lr rifles for taking out potential threats like suicide bombers and their ilk. I doubt that those particular guys used them on anybody but who knows. That whole region is going nuts these days.

Weevil
May 16, 2011, 01:27 PM
Well a .22 rifle is a different story.

A rifle has a lot longer barrel and the bullet can get up to a much higher velocity than a handgun.

cpljohn
May 16, 2011, 01:29 PM
This is very true, but as I said before I am not too worried about getting into a shootout.

jeepguy
May 16, 2011, 05:35 PM
i normally carry a 9mm sig p228 with 124gr +p gold dots. sometimes i carry my commander size 1911 in .45 acp. the smallest i have ever carried is a cz 82 in 9x18, but usually this is my bug/truck gun. i sometimes wonder if my p228 is to small. it is not that a 22lr couldn't kill a person. its that they have more of a chance to keep shooting at us and/or our familys becuse of only being wounded & still a thret. i know there isn't a magic one shot bullet, i just feel you have a better chance of stoping them from being a thret with a higher caliber round. in the end at least to me, its all about protecting your family or getting back home to them.

jkulysses
May 18, 2011, 02:26 PM
I month ago or so in my home town here in Oregon a homeowner woke up to somebody trying to break into his front door by force. He fired two warning shots which did nothing but make the intruder more angry and finally got the front door open. When he stepped inside the homeowner shot him once in the chest with a 22long and it dropped the intruder dead. About a week later a guy got into a fight with his brother in law. The brother in law returned with a 9mm handgun and shot him in the head 5 times at point blank range. He was able to walk a mile to the closest neighbors house for help and is doing fine now and released from the hospital. Just goes to show you anything can happen.

orionengnr
May 18, 2011, 10:13 PM
I own a .380 (LCP) and a 9mm (PM9) but have carried each approximately 2 days each in the last year (although I have carried each more frequently than that in the past.

FWIW, I carried the PM9 every day for 3 1/2 years. I will not let it go because it is (IMHO) the perfect combination of size and power for a small pistol.

These days I have found that I can carry a .45 every day, and do so.

Shoot66
May 19, 2011, 12:35 AM
9 mm Luger

Deus Machina
May 20, 2011, 08:05 AM
My EDC is 9mm or .38 Special. Kudos to you guys that toe around .45, or even .50 GI and .454 or what have you, I just like these guns.

I'll go lower depending on the gun. Before I got the .38, I have carried my Ruger Mk3 while my 9mm CZ was soaking to get lead out of the barrel, because I know it, trust it, and could (intentionally) put an eye out.

I'm more comfortable with that .22 than I would be with some of the super-compact .32's, and .380's would be a tossup.

I'm a big subscriber to the thought that a high-velocity .22 in the face is a quicker stop than a .45 in the arm.

RX-178
May 20, 2011, 08:10 AM
Lowest caliber I'll carry?

.22lr

Far from my first choice, but if it was what I had at the time, beats being without one.

DWC
May 20, 2011, 02:33 PM
22LR "Stingers"

Erik M
May 20, 2011, 09:30 PM
If it was my only option I would carry a .22lr/mag. There are some nice Heritage pieces that Bud's has on close out due to being factory blemished models. 3" barrel, Single Action, and birds head grips for around $130 aint bad for a 22mag. I prefer my G19 in a Crossbreed scabbard.

BlackSky
May 21, 2011, 01:16 AM
I've carried as low as .32 S&W Long in the past. I've settled nicely now with only two carry guns. One is .45 ACP and the other is .44 Special.

wlewisiii
May 21, 2011, 01:25 AM
"Carry"? I presume you're referring to CCW as I doubt that you care much that no squirrel has ever complained about my .22 being too small. On the basis of that presumption, I've carried .32, .38, .357, 9mm & .45 and would carry any of them again.

monet61
May 21, 2011, 10:18 AM
Buffalo Bore 158 gr LSWC GC +P .38.

9MMare
May 21, 2011, 01:56 PM
One other thing... How many people that say they feel "undergunned with anything less than a 9mm" have ever been in a shootout? Not many. We live in the USA, not Falluja. IMHO and I mean no disrespect to any other members but I think that the feeling of being undergunned is more paranoia than a realistic mindset.

I would agree with you, esp in your previous post about distance. If I draw my weapon, it's likely to only be in fairly close quarters or I'm leaving.

However I dont believe in .22. I'm not concerned with killing anyone...I want to STOP them and I do not believe in the .22s power to do that quickly. Possible? Sure. Likely? Much less so, even with a head shot.

Someone else said .22 has killed more people than any other caliber. My *guess* is thats because there are so many .22 guns out there and yes....22 does kill, just not necessarily quickly. I need an attack to stop immediately, period.

CZguy
May 21, 2011, 02:51 PM
Someone else said .22 has killed more people than any other caliber. My *guess* is thats because there are so many .22 guns out there and yes....22 does kill, just not necessarily quickly. I need an attack to stop immediately, period.


I feel the same way.............unfortunatly that limits us to 12 ga. shotguns.

Sig88
May 21, 2011, 09:40 PM
Probably a 9mm/38spl, I've been tempted to buy an LCP but havent felt the need.

FruitCake
May 21, 2011, 10:49 PM
32 acp is the lowest I would go. Low recoil and a 10 round magazine for easy follow up shots, to the upper body/ face.
That's ONLY when I cannot carry my G30. Which is not frequent.

Kevinch
May 22, 2011, 12:17 PM
A .22LR semi-auto. If it is the largest thing I can conceal, then it is going with me.

sonick808
May 22, 2011, 12:37 PM
.22 short. But, I tend to carry .32ACP ball ammo the most because of hot phoenix climate, and lack of clothes

cpljohn
May 26, 2011, 07:17 PM
9MMare: I totally understand what you mean about stopping power being a concern. Using flat point or hollow point .22 rounds at close range is incredibly devastating, and .22's offer probably the best penetration available (I'm almost positive on that). Granted, a baseball bat or even a carpenters hammer have more stopping power than a .45. I recommend a .22 due to lightness, concealability, lack of recoil and mag capacity.

almherdfan
May 26, 2011, 08:18 PM
.22LR. I've carried .44 mag, .357 mag, .40 S&W, 9mm, .38 spl, .& 380. I prefer the 9mm, but feel comfortable with the .22LR most of the time. I'm gonna pick up a NAA Black Widow .22 Mag tomorrow.

ArfinGreebly
May 26, 2011, 11:39 PM
If someone can craft a fast-burning version of the .22 mag cartridge, suitable for running in something like the PMR-30, I might well feel confident carrying one of those.

I understand there have been a couple of attempts, but I'm not yet aware of anything that burns all the powder in time to exit a 3-inch or 4-inch barrel without a daylight muzzle flash and a thunderclap detonation.

Said another way, if they can engineer the .22 WMR to get all the energy out of a short barrel and not be louder and brighter than a .38 special or 9mm, then we would have a serious contender.

Imagine having 30 rounds of that on tap, with less recoil than a 9mm.

Then Kel-Tec can make a pocket pistol in it, without having to use a Twisted Industries conversion kit. Eight to ten rounds of .22 WMR in a pocket pistol the size of the PF-9 or P3AT.

Heh.

Fun.

clance
May 27, 2011, 12:05 AM
Either 38 Spl +P or 9mm

CHEVELLE427
May 27, 2011, 12:14 AM
22 and up

db4570
May 27, 2011, 01:02 AM
I think about it like this. A serious martial artist probably feels safe in almost any situation, knowing that he could defend himself under most circumstances with just his brains and bare hands. In the rock/scissors/paper hierarchy of the dangerous world out there, 22 LR beats Bare Hands. So I'd feel comfortable with 22LR. Yes, I'd rather have a 9 or .357, but if a 22 was what I was carrying, it would provide a lot of comfort in a bad situation.

I have known people who had been shot with 22LR, and they were messed up BAD. Yes, I know, it doesn't have the stopping power of larger calibers. And there are always stories floating around about people who were shot with a 22, or 9, or 38, or whatever the caliber-to-be-bashed-of-the-conversation happens to be, who immediately after receiving multiple wounds by these rounds, shrug off the pain and climb Everest or something.

But I still contend that anyone getting shot with a 22 is almost always messed up BAD, and any bullet is still much more effective and deadly than any fist or foot or other non-firearm weapon.

FWIW

David

bubba in ca
May 27, 2011, 09:00 PM
I have a 44 sp in one house and only my pea-shooter in 38 sp at the other. Upgraded ammo helps as the 38, for example, with better ammo is one step ahead of the plain RN 38 that was the police standard for meany years.
Of course, these are backups for the shotgun...

sm
May 27, 2011, 09:03 PM
I never have, nor will I ever have a problem with a .22 rim fire or .25 ACP.

There is more to this, but I know something, and I know some of our folks, including Staff members know of what I speak.

Hint: It ain't the make, model, caliber, instead the person armed.

CZguy
May 27, 2011, 11:38 PM
I never have, nor will I ever have a problem with a .22 rim fire or .25 ACP.

There is more to this, but I know something, and I know some of our folks, including Staff members know of what I speak.

Hint: It ain't the make, model, caliber, instead the person armed.


Well, SM I read your post........and was agreeing with you...........and then I read your signature line. :p

sm
May 27, 2011, 11:41 PM
and then I read your signature line.

Yeah, well, there are proven cases, where a small caliber was enough gun...

Stevie-Ray
May 28, 2011, 05:29 PM
.32 ACP, which is my BUG.

mdThanatos
May 28, 2011, 05:46 PM
Well my smallest caliber handgun I have is a .38/.357 so that one. If I had a .22 and was proficient with it I'd carry that, hell I carry a knife everywhere I go and it isn't ballistic, unless I threw it I guess.

BIGGBAY90
May 31, 2011, 03:49 AM
i never have, nor will i ever have a problem with a .22 rim fire or .25 acp.

There is more to this, but i know something, and i know some of our folks, including staff members know of what i speak.

Hint: It ain't the make, model, caliber, instead the person armed.
well i shot a .22 cal revolver for the first time at the range and man-- i question it's ability on one shot stopping power

WvHiker
May 31, 2011, 12:19 PM
I've carried a .25 out of the house before, back before I had a .380. I didn't mind it, but I like the .380 better because it doesn't have a safety. I carry my G19 almost all the time (have it on now), but sometimes it's nice to have a wee gun tucked away.

MICHAEL T
May 31, 2011, 01:00 PM
Ive never had any trouble dropping a 25 in my pocket. Did so for a long time . I carry 380 KelTec in pocket most time nowdays . Or 45 on the belt.

BIGGBAY90
June 4, 2011, 11:28 AM
QUOTE:Yeah, well, there are proven cases, where a small caliber was enough gun...

I BELIEVE SO ALSO IN PLENTY OF CASES

Badlander
June 4, 2011, 11:34 AM
QUOTE:Yeah, well, there are proven cases, where a small caliber was enough gun...

I BELIEVE SO ALSO IN PLENTY OF CASES





Are there any proven cases where A large caliber was too much gun?

BIGGBAY90
June 4, 2011, 11:41 AM
Yes---going through things and hitting whats behinD it

rim
June 4, 2011, 12:26 PM
Probably .380, although my smallest is a 9mm

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Old krow
June 5, 2011, 02:24 AM
9mm and 38SPL. There probably is plenty of data that supports smaller caliber doing just fine, but that's what I have so that's what I use.

nyc71
June 5, 2011, 03:12 AM
If I don't have a belt This's what I carry



"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"- Benjamin Franklin

LDNN
June 5, 2011, 12:02 PM
I've carried a Keltec P32 before...most of the time it's a Sig P239 9mm.

BIGGBAY90
June 5, 2011, 01:11 PM
if i don't have a belt this's what i carry



"they who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"- benjamin franklin
does that holster wrap around the waist

ArfinGreebly
June 5, 2011, 06:22 PM
Yes it does.

It's a SmartCarry holster (http://www.smartcarry.com/).

Reasoned1
June 5, 2011, 07:23 PM
I always carry as big a caliber as possible, given certain dress and concealability requirements. I have yet to encounter any circumstances where a Ruger LCP (.380 ACP) could not be carried. Thus, so far, .380 ACP is the smallest caliber I carry--although I much prefer .45 ACP.

Plan2Live
June 5, 2011, 08:04 PM
9mm or .38 if I have a choice. Anything available if I didn't have options and still felt like I needed to carry.

BIGGBAY90
June 7, 2011, 04:27 AM
True statement at bottom

Jonah71
June 7, 2011, 11:25 AM
9mm or .38 spec.

Trader Ray
June 7, 2011, 11:47 AM
For my everyday use I carry my NAA mini 22 mag. It has 3 CCI Maxi Mag's and 2 shot shell rounds in it. I also carry a few refills for it. The shot shells are enough to catch any ones attention and if not the CCI loads will. I have other guns for PD here at home, but to carry and be able to speak louder than words, the mini is fine for me, it really depends on where you are living as well. I live in a area where I would say at least 85% of the people have CCW permits, so there is not much need to carry larger as most of the crime is someone who has drank to much and is speeding or things like that. The idea of everyone having their own protection in these parts is very comforting. I live in the mountains and am within 40 miles from both Tennessee and Kentucky and actually the shot shells are loaded in two of my firearms and one is on my lawnmower for snakes or any other little surprise that arises while cutting the field. I also have shot shell loaded in my 9mm derringer.

David E
June 7, 2011, 01:05 PM
Shotshells fired from a NAA won't penetrate the thin cardboard box the regular ammo came in, even from 5-6 feet. In a fast developing life and death encounter, I may only get one shot, so I want it to be effective, not irritating.

RonC
June 7, 2011, 02:50 PM
I carry because it makes me feel more secure, particularly when I am with family and responsible for their well-being. I haven't been in a life-threatening situation in 64 years, at least as a civilian, and will likely never be. Still, I feel better when carrying.

That said, I now settle for pocket carrying a 380 in urban and suburban environments. In the Rocky Mountains, during hikes and camping, I carry a minimum of 357. At home, I carry a 380, knowing that an 18.5" barrel 12 gauge shotgun is close by. On long trips to areas for which I am unfamiliar, I carry 9 mm. At work, where I love my job, I don't carry because it is not permitted.:(

Ron

chez323
June 7, 2011, 02:56 PM
380 courtesy of my Sig P230 :)

fasttheo
June 7, 2011, 06:53 PM
9mm Kurz :)

Twmaster
June 7, 2011, 07:04 PM
I plan to carry my Walther PK380.

It's only a wimp round until you get shot with it! ;)

Trader Ray
June 8, 2011, 10:23 AM
David, I know for a fact that the NAA mag .22 will do better than that, I do see your point and I have other means of PD, however in the area I live, I feel I will never have to pull my gun other than a snake or rat in the yard. If I was in Detroit or LA or places that I felt I needed more than the NAA I would be for sure leaving it home and carry something tuned for the job. Like it is said, a gun is like a tool, so I carry what I feel to be the right tool for the job. I feel that the OP asked for personal opinions of what I would carry and my first post answered that with my answer and explanation of why that is why I chose it. I really do think everyone has different methods and uses for their firearms. I have stated mine. I am not trying to be disrespectful of your knowledge of firearms.

BIGGBAY90
June 8, 2011, 06:33 PM
TRADER RAY----If one can carry a .22 naa with shotshells and it will work for them then that is great but i'm just woundering if you every use the shotshell for snakes

Trader Ray
June 8, 2011, 10:13 PM
I have to laugh as just last week I was startled by a snake that was about 4 foot long. I shot it towards it's rear with shot shell or snake shot/rat shot and it did not kill it, but it stopped in it's track and I went on and it was gone. I really dont want to kill anything, I am not a hunter but that is what I meant by using the right tool. The NAA did what I have had it for, it has been used for this type of thing for a while now.

BIGGBAY90
June 9, 2011, 04:36 AM
i have to laugh as just last week i was startled by a snake that was about 4 foot long. I shot it towards it's rear with shot shell or snake shot/rat shot and it did not kill it, but it stopped in it's track and i went on and it was gone. I really dont want to kill anything, i am not a hunter but that is what i meant by using the right tool. The naa did what i have had it for, it has been used for this type of thing for a while now.
and that is what it's all about---

Trader Ray
June 9, 2011, 07:39 AM
Thank You for understanding!

AZ Hawkeye
June 9, 2011, 05:42 PM
What is the lowest [smallest] caliber I'll carry?

The lowest I carry is 9x19mm. I carry .40 S&W a majority of the time.

T.R.
June 9, 2011, 06:20 PM
22 MAG. I tested my derringer on watermelons at 7 feet resulting in BIG holes!!

TR.

TimeIsRunninOut
June 9, 2011, 06:28 PM
The lowest I have personally carried was a .380, no issues there. I currently carry a .38 spl for ease of use. Have 9mm pistols that I rotate in too. Wouldn't bother me to go back to a .380 now that I am beginning to reload soon. In any sense if I practice enough and do my part anything that I own/carry would do me good. My G19 often gets left at home, while my 642 comes with me.

Steve 48
June 10, 2011, 03:34 PM
The lowest for me is a 32 cal but I do have a no lock Beretta 950 in 22 short and a NAA Mini Pug in 22 mag for which I do carry for walking/exercise. It's my dog guns.

THe Dove
June 10, 2011, 03:37 PM
One of those wooden carved out pistols with a rubbr band trigger!!! HAHA

The Dove

BIGGBAY90
June 10, 2011, 09:25 PM
Like this--lol

wrs840
June 10, 2011, 09:51 PM
I carry a .380 LCP or a .38 snub as the only gun that I have on me at times, but I don't exactly feel "safe" with them, it's just that sometimes logistics wins over preference. I can't say I feel 'safe" with any caliber, but a .38 4"bbl or a full-frame 9mm that I've proven to myself that I can trust functionally and hit pretty well with gets me over the hump into feeling somewhat adequately armed. If wardrobe allowed, I'd prefer to carry a 4" .357 as a "most-often" default.

gym
June 12, 2011, 12:56 PM
380, in and around the house, in a pocket holster. Once I leave, I pick up a larger caliber with at least a 10 round mag. Usually a glock 26 or 30. I always carry 2 guns. I may have to pull the little one quicklly which works out well since i can have my hand on it in my pocket, with no one noticing. This also gives me time to find cover and get to my larger weapon.

lilguy
June 12, 2011, 07:00 PM
I carry a NAA in 22 short as my dog repellant when biking. Tucks in the change pocket in my shorts.

ripp
June 12, 2011, 07:03 PM
If I thought a mini revolver in .22 short was enough for the dog, I'd be ashamed of myself for shooting him. Have to be a sick chihuahua.

willroute
June 12, 2011, 07:51 PM
I have been carrying a LCP 380 for backup. I usually carry a 45 as primary.
The 380 is a decent round. Hell, the 22 is a decent round too. All about shot placement.

pjp74
June 12, 2011, 08:05 PM
I personally carry a Ruger LCP in .380 everyday, keep the 1911 in the truck. Yeah, the .380 can be considered a wimpy round but it will let you fight your way back to a real gun.

Erik M
June 12, 2011, 08:31 PM
My father in law just acquired an absolutely mint 4" K22 Masterpiece in 22 mag earlier this week, so I may have to recant my earlier post as this is going to be an exceptional BBQ gun and I would trust it for protection against 2 legged predators.

I offered to trade him my Heritage Rough Rider .22 for it and he nearly choked on his drink he laughed so hard. .

Sulaco
June 13, 2011, 11:27 AM
.380ACP is the smallest caliber I feel comfortable with, but even that's pushing it. All things being equal, I'd tote a 10mm with handloads everywhere I go, but that isn't very practical unfortunately.

Grey Morel
June 13, 2011, 07:56 PM
Many will say "380acp", because that's what they have heard parroted on the internet.

I would be ok with a 22LR under the proper conditions.

BIGGBAY90
June 13, 2011, 08:41 PM
Many will say "380acp", because that's what they have heard parroted on the internet.

I would be ok with a 22LR under the proper conditions.
what is proper condition

VT Deer Hunter
June 13, 2011, 09:11 PM
I'M BACK AGAIN! But the smallest and pushing it is .22 LR .380 Auto it good.

BLB68
June 14, 2011, 12:59 AM
What is the lowest cal. You would carry and feel safe with
5.56 mm NATO, and that's probably pushing it.

Handguns don't particularly make me feel safe. :D

However, on the "bring a gun" principle and being as I'm a civilian now, I'd go as low as a .380 ACP or even a .22 LR. depending on the gun itself. It just has to go "bang" every time*, and preferably in rapid succession, as well as be accurate at short range.

*And for the record, I don't buy that good .22LR is any less reliable than center fire ammo, as I've had plenty of bad center fire rounds, and very, very few bad .22s. Seems about a wash, in my experience.

gym
June 15, 2011, 09:05 PM
Those 102 grain Golden sabres are petty close to 9mm power at arms length. I have no problem with an lcp in my pocket right now as I type. Under the ideal conditions or circumstances we would all like a larger caliber if a gunfight suddenly erupted. But it's better than most other small light guns. And I believe in having a gun on my person all the time, not near me but on me. So as mentioned I can probablly get to the larger caliber guns with the lcp laying down some cover fire, if not solving the problem right there. 20-30 years ago when we carried 5 shot revolvers and walthers, we felt fine about having enough stopping power. In the last 20 years we seem to have adopted the idea that we need a buffalo gun to be effective against an armed attacker. I guess we were all just dumb and happy back then.
If there are 2 or 3 guys coming in your house "for example" to rob and do other bad things to you and yours. They don't usually expect to die. If you shoot one, unless they are trained operators, chances are, they are going to freeze and see their buddys head split open. This is usually the part where you have now moved into a better position, and they have left the premisis.You know that saying , "the best laid plans of mice and men often go awry". You can plan all you want, but a shot in the right place will ruin your day, and your plan.

Redneck with a 40
June 15, 2011, 09:18 PM
With the current crop of pocket "nines" that are out now, like the Ruger LC-9, plus the advancement of 9mm ammo over the last few years, this is the smallest caliber I will carry. The LC-9 is only slightly larger than the .380, and the 9mm is a superior round, imo.

gym
June 15, 2011, 10:22 PM
I found the lcp to be more concealable than the 9's. I had a seacamp and that was too small ,I would fumble with it at times after 4 holsters I found the lcp is just the perfect gun to stay upright in any situation, and not tumble in my pocket. i wear loose nike type Blk nylon pants. and all the others were too big or too small. Maybe with jeans the 9 would be ok. My Glock 26 is too big, and my keltec is also too large. I'm talking strictlly pocket carry. For iwb they are fine. Actually I sold a taurus 740 slim, and it was really a great size to caliber gun, but I couldn't gety past the Taurus as my primary. I trust the ruger and the Glock, the pf-9, was doing fine till it ftf'd the 147 grain ammo, which I found out was not to be used in that gun from a member here, and the Ktog forum. I don't want to rely on a gun that is that picky.

Aiko492
June 15, 2011, 11:49 PM
.380 but it must be loaded wit 100 gr +P Buffalo Bore hardcast.

BIGGBAY90
June 18, 2011, 03:10 PM
I found the lcp to be more concealable than the 9's. I had a seacamp and that was too small ,I would fumble with it at times after 4 holsters I found the lcp is just the perfect gun to stay upright in any situation, and not tumble in my pocket. i wear loose nike type Blk nylon pants. and all the others were too big or too small. Maybe with jeans the 9 would be ok. My Glock 26 is too big, and my keltec is also too large. I'm talking strictlly pocket carry. For iwb they are fine. Actually I sold a taurus 740 slim, and it was really a great size to caliber gun, but I couldn't gety past the Taurus as my primary. I trust the ruger and the Glock, the pf-9, was doing fine till it ftf'd the 147 grain ammo, which I found out was not to be used in that gun from a member here, and the Ktog forum. I don't want to rely on a gun that is that picky.
You must see which ammo works for your gun. even though i can't understand why some ammo work and some ammo don't

GLOOB
June 18, 2011, 05:23 PM
I carry nothing but my wallet and cell phone, most days. So I'd have no issue carrying one of those Swiss 2mm pin guns, just for the heck of it. That doesn't mean I'd think of actually using it in self defense. :)

O C
June 18, 2011, 10:50 PM
Any caliber above "sharp stick".

tbutera2112
June 18, 2011, 10:56 PM
i wont carry anything smaller than .40 in a semi-auto.....and i dont carry revolvers so no .357 or anything (nothing against revolvers, they just arent my thing)

my .40 fits in my pocket, nothing else i could ask for

nero45acp
June 19, 2011, 09:42 AM
I've been known to carry a Budischowsky TP-70 .25 ACP...




nero

willroute
June 22, 2011, 02:21 PM
I personally carry a Ruger LCP in .380 everyday, keep the 1911 in the truck. Yeah, the .380 can be considered a wimpy round but it will let you fight your way back to a real gun.
The LCP is a great little carry gun. For sure can handle a fight until you get to the primary :-)

Relayer1974
June 22, 2011, 03:37 PM
Given enough practice, I would feel completely confident with a .22lr.

Presently, I carry a Glock 29 in an IWB holster which conceals well for me in shorts and a t-shirt. It's comfortable enough to wear for hours on a road trip and doesn't print unless I'm wearing a close-fitted shirt. I'll usually go up a shirt size to be sure it's not seen.

gunsablazin
June 22, 2011, 04:17 PM
.38 spl+P for me, since all handguns or low on stopping power it's my minimum carry caliber. In the days of my youth I carried .22s and even the lowly .25ACP, but that was before you could get a HCP in TN, so small guns ruled the carry world in those days.

grasssnake
June 22, 2011, 05:27 PM
I carry a .45 acp primary and 9 mm backup for that and american arms 22 mag backup for the backup

beatledog7
June 22, 2011, 10:02 PM
Standard .38 spl or +Ps in summer, looking into .44 spl for winter.

Jeff F
June 23, 2011, 10:53 AM
Smallest I have carried is a .32 acp and I did not feel under-gunned. It always seemed to work for James Bond.

beatledog7
June 23, 2011, 12:00 PM
Bond's .32cal PPK protected him from incoming machine gun fire as well. Gotta love a good spy thriller!

liist
June 23, 2011, 12:06 PM
I will go with a 9mm, probably with +P hollow points, as soon as I'm old enough. I don't think I will go any smaller with 9mm.

littlebubba
June 23, 2011, 12:11 PM
I wouldn't be comfortable with anything under .380

sean m
June 23, 2011, 08:13 PM
22 LR better to have something than nothing

Zach S
June 24, 2011, 08:49 PM
9mm or 38 special.

BIGGBAY90
March 5, 2012, 08:31 PM
I think now it will be a 32naa--shoots great

303tom
March 5, 2012, 09:50 PM
I carry a Twenty Two..............

Owen Sparks
March 5, 2012, 09:58 PM
.40

JoelSteinbach
March 6, 2012, 12:17 AM
22mag as a bug, normally 45acp or 10mm

jim243
March 6, 2012, 12:23 AM
What is the lowest cal. You would carry and feel safe with


9mm in an emergency a 9mm Kurtz.

Jim

Certaindeaf
March 6, 2012, 12:27 AM
.88

smalls
March 6, 2012, 12:31 AM
I would like to carry a .45, but I like to shoot my carry gun very often, and can't afford it. I feel comfortable with 9mm and can shoot it often enough to be very proficient with it.

SEE IT LIKE A NATIVE
March 6, 2012, 02:19 AM
My smallest gun is a model36 Glock in .45acp usually I carry a glock 30sf also in .45acp . For the last week or so I have been carrying both at the same time ! If I were to purchase another carry gun the it would be either .38 in a revolver or a 9mm in an auto ! There are too many good compact 9mm pistols around now to bother with a .380 . ! Kevin

ChCx2744
March 6, 2012, 02:42 AM
If I can only have one on me, I wouldn't carry anything smaller than a .380. If I can have more than one, however, I'd be fine with a couple/few .22s.

Old Guy
March 6, 2012, 03:33 AM
First, please excuse me, I have not read any of the previous posts, just came across the thread. I hope I have not stepped over anyone.

Just going off the title.

What is the lowest caliber you will carry

An answer, with an explanation. A 9mm Parrabelum, loaded with proven rounds, that has been carried by a group, such as a federal, or State/City Police force. a group large enough to have seen the affects, of this round, on dead felons.

In my case, 147g Ranger non Plus P. Sixteen of them ready to go, in a Glock 19.

This combination is controllable, and will reach deep enough to reach major organs in a human torso, quite accurate, so that that precise shots can be achieved, and rapid repeat rounds, if or when desired, are doable.

beatledog7
March 6, 2012, 06:20 AM
I'd carry a .22LR if it was all I had. If they're all available to me, .38SPL or 9mm (meaning any of the 9mm variants).

Midwest
March 6, 2012, 07:08 AM
.50 caliber...cause you never know....might run into a elephant or something...





j/k ... .22 cal

gym
March 6, 2012, 12:08 PM
380, x 3 rounds =1140 that's like 2, 50 caliber rounds. But seriously folks, a 380 up close, "which is where most shootings take place with self defense scenarios, is more than enough as long as you don't stop to admire your work. Just shoot 2 or 3 rounds and that should do the rtick. I carried a ppks for 20 years, and it was "at the time" considered to be the best all around off duty or civilian carry gun. Even some european police forces used them.It makes the same size hole as a 9mm. And modern ammo has brought them up to par with 9mm ammo of old. And James bond likes them.

CZguy
March 6, 2012, 12:50 PM
And James bond likes them.

I thought that James Bond was always getting yelled at for preferring a tiny Beretta.

But back to the topic. I feel perfectly comfortable with a .380 at close range.

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