Guns you wanna see in media


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cleardiddion
May 10, 2011, 11:39 PM
I was just gorging myself on Battlestar Galactica and I couldn't help but think that I would love to see more Berreta CX4's and Vektor CP1's in all sorts of media of the like.

So, I guess my question to you all is whether you have any favorites that seem to be sorely.

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12131
May 11, 2011, 12:40 AM
None.

Dan Bear
May 11, 2011, 12:55 AM
+1 for none. Given the biased nature of the media these days.... the less coverage the better.

cleardiddion
May 11, 2011, 01:28 AM
By media I was thinking about movies/shows/games etc. If that changes your mind any

lima_w
May 11, 2011, 02:11 AM
I could go for another harrowing tale of Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) CC'ing and saving a dog's life by killing the coyote that attacked it!

I would sincerely hope that would make it in the Armed Citizen :)

12131
May 11, 2011, 02:21 AM
By media I was thinking about movies/shows/games etc. If that changes your mind any
I know what you meant.

RX-178
May 11, 2011, 02:49 AM
Spidey senses are detecting a little hostility here...

Anyways, as long as Ira Kay's alive, there will be no shortage of C-More products in big budget action movies. He makes sure of it personally. In fact, at the C-More booth at the SHOT show he always has this wall completely covered in movie guns with C-More products on them.

I heard lately that the guys who made The Hurt Locker are going to make a movie called 'Kill Bin Laden'. So I'm hoping to see some very specific P226s.

mr_goodbomb
May 11, 2011, 03:46 AM
I heard lately that the guys who made The Hurt Locker are going to make a movie called 'Kill Bin Laden'. So I'm hoping to see some very specific P226s.

Those guys can burn in hell. They didn't make enough from the film so they sued people for exorbitant amounts for watching it online, and now they want to make a movie about arguably the biggest hot topic available. Classy.

mr_goodbomb
May 11, 2011, 03:52 AM
I'd like to see more Taurus Judges. I think revolvers should come back, they're just so much more aesthetically interesting and more engaging. Glocks in films often look like toys, because many times they are. Single actions are always nice, more Blackhawks, as are 70s-ish wood furniture shotguns. Basically, I miss the weapons from 70s exploitation and horror films.

That's one thing I liked about Hobo With A Shotgun that wasn't mentioned elsewhere. They went for a 70s or early 80s aesthetic, and all the firearms were revolvers or pump shotguns, for the most part (the final scene, with dozens of mostlikely airsoft guns withstanding). To someone who notices that stuff, it was a nice touch. The choice to use an older model of 870 as the main weapon was smart, too.

Oh, and the Henry Survival Rifle in a well-done zombie film.

RX-178
May 11, 2011, 03:57 AM
You know, I'm going to completely agree with you about revolvers, and I'll tell you why.

Even a 6 year old can understand a revolver, just watching it on screen. You can make a lot of technically-based drama (the '5 shots or 6' logic) without your audience having to be gun nuts.

Now, until movies start making reloading an integral part of gunfight scenes, the revolver is going to have a storytelling advantage over an auto.

That's another thing I want to see more of, is reloading. Like, the hero's arm is injured, and he's struggling to do a one-hand reload while the bad guys are closing in... things like that.

M-Cameron
May 11, 2011, 06:45 AM
+1 for none. Given the biased nature of the media these days.... the less coverage the better.
im inclined to disagree.....

people are afraid of what they dont know......by sterilizing the media of all guns, you are adding a sense of Mystery, leaving their imagination and hearsay to fill in the blanks.

USAF_Vet
May 11, 2011, 08:29 AM
Last week would have been a nice opportunity for coverage of the weapons of SEAL Team Six, but that's old news to the Average American already.

I honestly believe most people are indifferent to guns, and if they had any media coverage unassociated with an event, tragic or positive, it would be largely ignored.

Most people realize guns are tools. Few would watch special coverage of the latest in Ball Peen Hammer breakthroughs, it would be no different to guns.

In entertainment, I don't watch for the guns, although I do find myself criticizing a show/ movie when the guns do something they shouldn't.

gatorjames85
May 11, 2011, 09:05 AM
Most people realize guns are tools.

I think most people on this board realize guns are tools. The average non gun owner seems to attribute mystical properties to guns (e.g. guns kill people, etc.).

USAF_Vet
May 11, 2011, 10:32 AM
The average non gun owner seems to attribute mystical properties to guns

I disagree. We tend to blow misinformation by the anti's way out of proportion, but most non-gun owners I've encountered are not anti-gun. They simply accept that the police are there for their protection and they have no need for a gun. While this is misinformed, sometimes fatally so, it is accepted by social norms.

Average people don't care about guns any more than they care about the navigation system on the space shuttle. It has no direct influence on their lives, therefore they tend to ignore it.

The average non-gun owner, and remember this is just my experience, are not the fumbling paranoid Brady bunch wack jobs. The very small minority of non-gun owners may fall into that category, but I see very few who give mythical properties to a hunk of inanimate metal. My brother is one of the most liberal people I know. He is a non-gun owner. He is borderline anti-gun. He is not stupid enough to think a gun, an inanimate hunk of steel, polymer, zinc alloy, wood, whatever, can do anything without someone's intent. Being an anti, I would consider his line of thought the majority.

I think gun owners tend to assume non-gun owners are ignorant fearful sheep who really buy into the crap the Brady Bunch shovel out on a daily basis. Some do, but I would say most don't.

RimfireChris
May 11, 2011, 10:43 AM
+1 for the Judge, and any revolver in general. Revolvers have always been my favorite, although I'm a sucker for a nice 1911 or BHP too.

gatorjames85
May 11, 2011, 10:59 AM
He is borderline anti-gun. He is not stupid enough to think a gun, an inanimate hunk of steel, polymer, zinc alloy, wood, whatever, can do anything without someone's intent. Being an anti, I would consider his line of thought the majority

Is he anti- any other "tool"? I think the fact that there is such a heated debate about the issue reflects the fact that most on the other side don't view guns as one of many tools.

USAF_Vet
May 11, 2011, 11:57 AM
I think the fact that there is such a heated debate about the issue reflects the fact that most on the other side don't view guns as one of many tools.

Hammers are a tool with a specific use, yet they can also be used to kill. Screwdrivers are a tool with a specific use, yet they can be used to kill. Boxcutters, steak knives, pipe wrenches, chainsaws, baseball bats, scissors, shovels... are all tools with a specific use, and all have been used to kill.

Guns, on the other hand, have only one use. Guns are a tool with one specific purpose, which is shooting a small piece of metal in a very high velocity with intent to strike another object. How you use it, based on intent, does not alter how it is used. A gun used properly has no effect on desire or intent. A gang banger who wants your car can use a gun properly and get what he desires. I can use a gun properly to prevent him from doing so. Either way, someone could end up bleeding from a hole in their body.

People will react differently and have different opinions when viewing someone with a gun in a holster versus someone with a tool belt full of hand tools. Either person could use their tools with the intent to harm or defend. But only one of those guys can build a fence or repair an air conditioner with their chosen set of tools. The public is not ignorant of how tools can be used. No one wants to ban hammers, screwdrivers, etc. because they can, in theory, be used in an inappropriate way that may cause harm. People want to ban guns because they can, in theory, be used in an inappropriate way that may cause harm, as well as cause harm when used in the manner in which they were designed.

Anti's don't consider that in the absense of guns, a person with criminal intent can and will re-appropriate any other object into a weapon.

Guns are single purpose tools. The result of the tool, used properly, is what many people disagree with/ fear.

originally sung by Lynyrd Skynyrd
Well hand guns are made for killin'
They ain't no good for nothin' else
Saturday Night Special

Other than target shooting, which is simply practice for the real thing, how is this untrue in any way?

avs11054
May 11, 2011, 12:03 PM
I don't watch a whole lot of movies, but I do play a lot of Call of Duty. Most of the guns in that are pretty cool, so nothing that I can think of off the top of my head right now.

Dimis
May 11, 2011, 12:08 PM
well if they did a remake of robocop i kept thinking that new FNP-45T with an ospray silencer leupold delta point an extended magazine and (fake for the movie) full auto was way cooler than his old Beretta 93 with all the hardware

id also like to see movies get away from the old standby guns they always use like the Desert Eagle 50 there are tons of cool guns to use as props

i can understand if they make a movie in a specific setting and try to be realistic (and even that usualy laughable) but when its a flat out action movie gimme something different like maybe an Automag III or a Ruger MP9

bearcreek
May 11, 2011, 12:24 PM
I don't particularly care to see any specific gun in a movie or video game. What I would dearly love to see is more accurate information and portrayal when it comes to firearms. It's the norm in movies and TV shows for the characters to do things with guns that are completely ridiculous, impossible, unrealistic and/or stupid. How often do we see someone in a movie holding a person at gunpoint and halfway through the conversation rack the slide on the semi-auto or pump the shotgun. :what: I hear the hammer being cocked on a Glock all the time in TV shows:confused:. Even worse than the mishandling of guns is the information that is put forth as fact. Granted, it may be fiction, but people do take much of the information to be fact. As an example, one show features a forensic anthropologist who works with an FBI agent, who used to be an Army sniper, to solve murders. Besides the normal horrendous gun handling issues, they are constantly talking about "looking someone up on the national gun registry or database" and saying things like "it's illegal for pawn shops to sell guns". It pisses me off. :banghead:

Manco
May 11, 2011, 12:37 PM
Even a 6 year old can understand a revolver, just watching it on screen. You can make a lot of technically-based drama (the '5 shots or 6' logic) without your audience having to be gun nuts.

"I know what you're thinking: 'Did he fire 17 shots or only 16 out of his full-size 9mm Glock? And even if it were 17, did he have an extra round in the pipe or was he running late for work and didn't bother to top off the magazine today?'" ;)

We tend to blow misinformation by the anti's way out of proportion, but most non-gun owners I've encountered are not anti-gun.

While I'd agree with most of what you said in your post, I still think that there is a certain stigma about guns among the general population--an association between guns and either crime or law enforcement that is often unconsciously applied to anybody who is armed. For example, even if they're not anti-gun per se, many people will assume that you must have a specific purpose for carrying a gun, as opposed to a more general purpose such as personal defense. If you're not a police officer, then they may fear that you're a criminal. After all, they feel that they have no need for a gun themselves, so why should you? This could be (and often is) interpreted as effectively giving "mythical" properties to guns. The fact that many people would be alarmed merely by the sight of a gun in the possession of somebody other than a uniformed police officer does nothing to invalidate that interpretation.

The latter really sticks out to somebody like me, who is only alarmed by observed behavior, as I assume that anybody can be armed at any time, even if I cannot see the weapon. But the general population isn't like that--the sight of a gun scares them more than the cues and clues that I (and I presume many here on this forum) look for as a tip-off for potential criminal behavior. In this way, I guess that most of the population is anti-gun (like they're educated to be).

mr_goodbomb
May 11, 2011, 01:17 PM
You know, I'm going to completely agree with you about revolvers, and I'll tell you why.

Even a 6 year old can understand a revolver, just watching it on screen. You can make a lot of technically-based drama (the '5 shots or 6' logic) without your audience having to be gun nuts.

Now, until movies start making reloading an integral part of gunfight scenes, the revolver is going to have a storytelling advantage over an auto.

That's another thing I want to see more of, is reloading. Like, the hero's arm is injured, and he's struggling to do a one-hand reload while the bad guys are closing in... things like that.

It seems like a silly example, but the animated show Archer is extremely accurate with those points. Guns fire as many times as the actual firearm would allow, reloading is required, they do fairly accurate amounts of damage, revolvers and autos don't seem to become full auto when the story needs it, etc. It's pretty impressive. Also, the modeling on the guns is incredibly accurate, you can tell what they're using.

Ranb
May 11, 2011, 01:21 PM
By far the most common use of firearms is recreational. But the media normally depicts gun use by criminals, police or the military. I have been trying to make a list of movies that depict firearms use, but not in a violent manner against humans. Jaws is one example.

It would be nice to see guns portrayed as they are normally used by hunters and recreational shooters. So, any gun would fit the bill.

Ranb

gatorjames85
May 11, 2011, 02:09 PM
Quote:
originally sung by Lynyrd Skynyrd
Well hand guns are made for killin'
They ain't no good for nothin' else
Saturday Night Special
Other than target shooting, which is simply practice for the real thing, how is this untrue in any way?

This statement assumes a lot of things that aren't necessarily true. Some people shoot guns just for fun, with no intent to ever fire them at another living thing. If by "killin'" you mean every living thing, this could be kind of true. I personally differentiate between killing animals and killing people. The way I look at it, firearms are a tool for:

1. Self defense
2. Pest Control
3. Gathering Meat/Hides/Fur
4. Shooting-related sports
5. Pure recreation

You could just as easily say a hammer is a single-purpose tool under your reasoning-you can only use it as a blunt instrument to beat things. What you beat however determines the use (nails, rocks, another person, etc.). Same thing with firearms. Sorry for derailing the thread BTW.

Single Action Six
May 11, 2011, 03:10 PM
USAF_Vet said in part..

I think gun owners tend to assume non-gun owners are ignorant fearful sheep who really buy into the crap the Brady Bunch shovel out on a daily basis. Some do, but I would say most don't.

The problem is though, a number of the non-gun owners do believe the misinformation spewed by the newspaper media (because of either ignorance on the reporters part.. or their out right anti-gun bias.. which seems to be the norm), or the Hollywood movie industries penchant for using and showing firearms doing things that they weren't ever designed to do, such as.. (6 shot revolvers firing 20 plus odd rounds without ever being reloaded, cars lifting 10 feet off the pavement and flipping over end to end while blowing up when a single shot from a handgun hits it, etc., etc).

It's hard to educate non-gun owners with the truth when situations like the above are a every day occurrence in their lives and the pro gun establishment is locked out (so to speak) and out numbered right from the start.

Single Action Six

armoredman
May 11, 2011, 05:01 PM
There are some new oddballs I'd like to see, the Circuit Judge, the Mataba, the Alpha Project revolving carbines, the KRISS, thinsg like that. What I would LOVE to see if far more of them protrayed in law abiding citizens hands in slef defense of sport, whether lawful hunting or target shooting.

As for the Lynryd Skynyrd song, I care not what rich boozers have to say. :) My firearms have killed exactly zero people, hoping to keep that streak going.

OregonJohnny
May 11, 2011, 05:25 PM
That's another thing I want to see more of, is reloading.

I know that you mean reloading a firearm, but I would love to see actual reloading (handloading ammunition) in a movie.

You know, the hero is one of the last people alive, struggling for survival against zombies or bad guys, the local sporting goods store ammo shelves are empty, so you see the hero sitting at home in his garage, buckets of brass all around him, pulling the handle on an old single stage press!

I guess it would kill the action in a gunfight scene if the hero had to run around picking up his brass.

Manco
May 11, 2011, 09:40 PM
I know that you mean reloading a firearm, but I would love to see actual reloading (handloading ammunition) in a movie.

It's rare but I've seen this in movies before, and depending on how it's used, it can definitely have a place in certain stories. By the way, cleaning guns is another rare (except in The Big Valley where it seems like half the episodes begin with one of the brothers cleaning a gun ;)) but occasionally useful plot or character development device (e.g. "Blondie" bonding with his revolver in The Good, the Bad and the Ugly).

You know, the hero is one of the last people alive, struggling for survival against zombies or bad guys, the local sporting goods store ammo shelves are empty, so you see the hero sitting at home in his garage, buckets of brass all around him, pulling the handle on an old single stage press!

That's right, it can portray both the desperation of the situation as well as the resourcefulness of the hero. I think that most of the instances I've seen are in horror movies with a supernatural element, in which the protagonist sometimes needs special (e.g. silver) bullets to get the job done. I've seen a few Westerns that featured handloading cartridges and casting bullets, as well, usually for a purpose but sometimes just to evoke a different era from the perspective of the general audience.

I guess it would kill the action in a gunfight scene if the hero had to run around picking up his brass.

It could be worse--I actually saw an episode of a TV show a few years back that had a sheriff reloading his pistol in the middle of a gunfight by stuffing individual cartridges into a magazine. :eek: He didn't even take cover while doing it. :rolleyes: Really, who carries one magazine and loose cartridges for an autoloader? :scrutiny: I mean, it was a Beretta 92FS, not a SIG P210! ;)

mr_goodbomb
May 12, 2011, 03:55 AM
It's rare but I've seen this in movies before, and depending on how it's used, it can definitely have a place in certain stories.

Silver Bullet had a "weapons master" making them a single bullet... a silver one... from a melted down piece of jewelry. The making of the round was actually fairly accurate to handloading.

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