I'm ashamed I haven't donated to SAF in a while


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elcaminoariba
May 11, 2011, 08:15 AM
SAF has gotten more good done with their lawsuits, than any gun rights group I know of. Several of their lawsuits get piggybacked by the NRA. With the crappy economy I have scaled back my political giving BIG TIME in the last few years. Every time I see SAF file a hard hitting lawsuit such as their one yesterday to stop the interstate handgun sales ban, I feel bad for not contributing. I started feeling this way several of their lawsuits ago. SAF keeps filing lawsuits that make me say "IT'S ABOUT <removed by moderator> TIME!" and I'm disappointed at how the NRA has avoided the courts for a lot of years, and I always heard that it was out of fear of a bad ruling, and I never agreed with that defeatist logic. It's not like the federal judiciary is magically more pro 2nd amendment these days, it's just that our side has finally grown some balls.

I've been following the 2nd amendment war for many decades and I have long sensed that the NRA hugged the status quo sometimes and even was caught supporting or looking the other way at anti 2nd amendment legislation (did they even oppose the lautenberg amendment which passed a republican congress?). NRA has never pushed for "constitutional carry" but it's nice to see them cheering victories in this regard. Many long time NRA members don't like talking about the fact that NRA has changed it's attitude a LOT in the last 20 years, and put on the face of being more "hard core pro 2nd amendment" but it's true. It's nice that the NRA is huge, but frankly I don't fully trust it's executives and every board member. The media gave the NRA credit for Heller and McDonald, but those who know the history of those cases know different. Instead of one HUUUGE pro gun group dominating the landscape, which opens the door to corruption by the establishment, I prefer several very large pro gun groups that fight as a loose team. I believe that we have seen several victories recently because we have gotten closer to the model of three large groups, which has energized more gun owners. GOA and SAF and NRA have very different personalities, but I've watched as the first two have kept the NRA more true to the 2nd amendment on some legislation, and have even LED in place of the NRA. NRA needs to be more open about WHO is on the board before I will trust it. Some people have it backwards and tell us to join first so we can learn who is on the board. History (going back to 1968 and before) has shown that putting all of our eggs in the basket of the NRA has proven very dangerous to our liberties.

We have a lot to hope for with these SAF lawsuits. Local pro gun groups around the country such as Buckeye firearms are also getting some really good legislation passed.

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AirForceShooter
May 11, 2011, 08:51 AM
I'm in Florida.
I wasn't ever a big NRA fan but I would send funds to the NRA-ILA.
After this last legislative session in Florida the NRA can go sit on a hand grenade and rotate.
SAF all the way for me

AFS

Usmc-1
May 11, 2011, 09:00 AM
I see nothing wrong with other groups "keeping the big guy honest" , that is very important, I dont believe in padding the executives of the NRA either, however , because the NRA is so big it can garner more attention in the fight than smaller groups can do ,which in the long run is better because the fight is out in the open , we need more groups and we need those groups to focus (together) , not separately, you can have certain fringes to keep the groups separate but the main focus is together fighting for our rights under the second amendment!

We as well as all gun rights groups should focus on the main goal !

Water-Man
May 11, 2011, 09:34 AM
+1 for SAF.

TexasRifleman
May 11, 2011, 10:14 AM
NRA is legally prevented from getting involved in a lot of this stuff.

The tax laws don't allow it. NRA has to indirectly tackle some of this stuff through all kinds of sub groups etc and often they cannot move money from one group to another. It's complicated and inefficient, which is why Congress and the IRS back them into a corner the way they do.

Donations to NRA can't be used for lobbying or legal fights like this for example.

SAF is chartered under different portions of the tax law and has tunnel vision and one specific thing they want to do.

NRA is the 500 pound bear in the room, SAF/Gottlieb is the pit bull with teeth bared. We want both on our side and yes, the pit bull can often get more done than the bear.

SAF deserves lots of help from gun owners.

MD_Willington
May 11, 2011, 01:17 PM
I'm a member of both for the same reason as explained by TexasRifleman...

Another way to look at it:

Sometimes its not the B52 overhead (NRA), instead it is the pin point accuracy of the M24 on the ground (SAF)..

ErikO
May 11, 2011, 04:40 PM
I have a bit of an issue with some of the rhetoric, but then again I am the exception to the rule for gun owners. ;)

22-rimfire
May 11, 2011, 07:04 PM
Refresh my memory... what is SAF? GOA and NRA sure, but not SAF...

MD_Willington
May 11, 2011, 08:38 PM
http://www.saf.org/
Alan Gottlieb et al...

BTR
May 12, 2011, 12:08 PM
Be a member of both the NRA and the SAF.

They are both good (though not perfect, unfortunately).

Grey_Mana
May 12, 2011, 01:33 PM
NRA sent me ok stuff for becoming a life member - although I joined through the cheapy $300 plan, so maybe paying more gets more swag. The certificate is worth keeping but would need a really nice frame before I would hang it up in my garage.

SAF sent me a box of books and DVDs when I became a life member, and a belt buckle, and a display-quality plaque. Retail value was ~ the $300 I sent them.

sonick808
May 12, 2011, 06:36 PM
NRA and SAF shouldn't be mutually exclusive. Donate to both!

Usmc-1
May 12, 2011, 09:46 PM
I dont need toys or doo dads ,i buy guns, i want to know my rights are protected ,i dont care if they give me pins,hats,decals, if your joining gun rights groups for the trinkets you have too much to blow,why waste it on gun rights?

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