What guns have failed with HP ammo


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jiminhobesound
May 12, 2011, 01:04 PM
A lot of discussion on hard ball HP feed reliability so What is your experience with failures in what gun with what ammo?

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The-Reaver
May 12, 2011, 01:08 PM
Saiga 12, Federal 7 1/2 shot.

kingpin008
May 12, 2011, 01:26 PM
Saiga 12, Federal 7 1/2 shot.

I think you misunderstand the question. The OP is asking about handguns that have failed with hollowpoint ammunition.

Wil Terry
May 12, 2011, 01:30 PM
I THINK the first answer makes as much sense as the question.

mljdeckard
May 12, 2011, 01:35 PM
My 1st gen Sigma .40. I had to get the feed ramp milled and polished.

SaxonPig
May 12, 2011, 01:55 PM
Define fail. You mean break down? I have never heard of any quality made handgun breaking with any factory loaded ammo unless there was a serious material or manufacturing flaw in the gun.

txhoghunter
May 12, 2011, 01:58 PM
Glock 19....failed to fire, light primer strike on a Gold Dot

pikid89
May 12, 2011, 02:00 PM
i think its near impossible to just up and say this gun wont use hollow point ammo

it really comes down to each individual gun as rather than the model as a group
as well as certiain hollow point models

my LCP wouldnt feed Speer Gold Dots reliably but it ate Hornady TAP all day everyday...

pioneer461
May 12, 2011, 02:40 PM
I've never had any kind of failure with HP ammo.

welldoya
May 12, 2011, 05:33 PM
"my LCP wouldnt feed Speer Gold Dots reliably but it ate Hornady TAP all day everyday..."

And my LCP feeds Gold Dots fine. I think it depends on the individual gun.

klutchless
May 12, 2011, 05:38 PM
Old gi model 1911 failed to feed a hydroshock tried a different mag and it works fine now.

rcmodel
May 12, 2011, 05:48 PM
Seeing as how JHP pistol ammo was only invented in the 1970's, and only came into widespread use after that.

Just about any semi-auto made before 1980 is likely to have feed problems with some brands of JHP ammo, unless it has been modified to work with it since then.

Prior to that, FMJ-RN was the de facto standard bullet shape for semi-auto pistols, cause that's all they made.

But we are now into the third or forth generation of JHP bullet designs, and some brands feed as well as FMJ-RN in anything.

You just need to try it and see.

rc

Nashanthra
May 12, 2011, 05:53 PM
My 70 series Combat Commander does not like the old CCI 200 grain 'flying ashtrays'. My Glock gobbles them with no problem, but the Colt nada. Every other round, jam-o-matic!

I purchased a case of the rounds when CCI discontinued them about 4-5 years ago.

Remo223
May 12, 2011, 06:09 PM
old 1911 pistols would not feed hollowpoints without modifications.

Basically, any gun that was produced before hollowpoints became common is going to be suspect.

pikid89
May 12, 2011, 06:09 PM
"my LCP wouldnt feed Speer Gold Dots reliably but it ate Hornady TAP all day everyday..."

And my LCP feeds Gold Dots fine. I think it depends on the individual gun.

thats exactly what i was trying to say....my second LCP will take the gold dots just fine as well

Sidd
May 12, 2011, 06:27 PM
I never had any problems with rounds in my glock 19. And cz 75 they shoot well and without any problems.

Kleanbore
May 12, 2011, 06:44 PM
rcmodel nailed it.

According to a paper linked by Chuck Hawks:

Lugers, the Walther P-38, Lahti, LLama, and Tokarevs in 9MM generally give trouble with most JHP rounds.

The Beretta Brigadier Model 1951, Browning Hi Powers w/o the "Portugal" inscription, the Colt Series 70 9MM, and the Smith and Wesson Models 39, 59 and similar models are "picky."

This is not complete. See this (http://www.chuckhawks.com/ammo_by_anonymous.htm) for more. Page down to "Table of 9MM Pistols", and also see under .45 ACP ball.

Smokey in PHX
May 12, 2011, 08:11 PM
I I have been lucky. I have several old pistols that were particular with the foder fed to them but by trying different types of hollow point ammo I was fine. One required a little polishing the others a dfferent ammo.

ball3006
May 12, 2011, 08:54 PM
My CZ50 does not like HP ammo. Runs just fine on ball.....chris3

DougW
May 12, 2011, 10:09 PM
My Charles Daly 1911 will not feed anything except ball ammo for the first 4 rounds of a magazine. Even with Wilson magazines.

Jonah71
May 17, 2011, 11:06 AM
Gold Dot .45acp HP's wouldn't work in my old Kimber and Hornady's 115 gr. Critical Def. don't feed in my old CZ 75B.

loneviking
May 17, 2011, 11:12 AM
Early Sig P6s won't fire HPs without changing the shape and angle of the feed ramp. You can get this done for around $40 to 50 by several shops.

teumessian_fox
May 18, 2011, 01:17 AM
I bought a Mk 4/Series 70 in 1976 that would only feed hardball ammo. I sent it off to Jim Clark for a rebuild/modifications.

After that it fed everything. Before that, it would feed a beer bottle about as well as it would feed a hollow point.

doc2rn
May 18, 2011, 01:31 AM
My old Colt 1911 is particular to FMJ, as was my Sig Dark Elite. In the 9mm realm the only one I had problems with was a S&W Sigma and it was more the lips on the magazines.

deadin
May 18, 2011, 12:29 PM
What is a Hard Ball Hollow Point????

Zanad
May 18, 2011, 12:49 PM
What is a Hard Ball Hollow Point????

I believe its a type of ammo that has something in the hollow point that makes it feed like ball. a semi good example would be federal efmj.

Cop Bob
May 19, 2011, 05:11 PM
What is a Hard Ball Hollow Point????
That's what I was trying to figure out...!

When I saw the question I was thinking "fail" like in blow-ups"...

Fail to Feed, different story. As stated, some guns like different bullet designs..... Most all can be adjusted, ramped, or reworked to handle them... Sometimes it's just a magazine issue, others.. a little surgery, but it's minor, and it's doable..

Shadow 7D
May 19, 2011, 05:25 PM
Sure you don't mean Powerball (brand) that has the plastic ball in the point to 'assist' in expansion and guarantee feeding?

otherwise, it's an oxymoron.
It's a design thin, most .32 don't like HP, but that's cause recoil can jump the top round over the semi-rim of the one below it, due to the shorter OAL, a number of gun, like the AMT Hardballer, are know for only shooting FMJ etc.

as for FAIL, never seen a gun blow up with HP, that wouldn't have blown up with ball.

Deus Machina
May 20, 2011, 08:54 AM
The only store-bought ammo I've had a problem with has been Winchester Ranger Bonded. Not the renamed Talon, the hollow point that is mostly just dished in the front.

It jammed up a friend's Star Model B (a sort of 1911 clone) and my S&W 469, which would otherwise shoot rocks if I could fit them into the magazine.

To be fair, the actual bullets in those things are almost cylindrical, so I'm betting it's the ammo's fault. Just don't buy a box and load up without testing it.

stonecutter2
May 20, 2011, 11:16 AM
Walther TPH and .22LR Winchester HP. The bullet would get stuck on the feed ramp all of the time.

Remington Golden Bullets work okay, though. They're rounded near the tip.

Unless you're saying that the Golden Bullets are a "hard ball hollow point." Then I guess I haven't answered with anything meaningful :P

I've had my Springfield Armory GI Model 1911 misfeed a Hydra-Shok, too. Just once, though. Not sure if it was a burr on the bullet, or just a random misfeed, but out of 60 I've shot, it misfed once.

hermannr
May 20, 2011, 11:35 AM
My wifes High Standard Trophy absolutely will not feed any lubed lead roundnose or HP, but will feed any copper washed or copper plated hp or roundnose. Definately the ammo.

Alaskan
May 20, 2011, 01:32 PM
My RIA GI 1911 will eat hardball ammo all day long, recently tried some Remington Golden Sabers. They would not even load. I tried three different mags, but still a no go.

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