Have you ever had a round go off after a misfire?


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infuriatednoodle
May 17, 2011, 07:01 PM
Hey guys, went to the range the other day and unfortunately I got tons of bad primers from Winchester loads I picked up the other day. This got me thinking, have you ever experienced a round go off after a misfire with or without "cooking" it in the chamber or also known as "hangfire"?

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scythefwd
May 17, 2011, 07:08 PM
Yes. I get fires all the time on rimfire with a second strike and a rotate. I've only had a couple no fires on primers, and I suspect the first hit seated them, the second went bang. It's the reason I require sa/da on my carry semi-autos.

showmebob
May 17, 2011, 07:13 PM
I believe you are referring to what I would call a "hangfire". When there is a delayed firing of the cartridge after being struck by the firing pin only one time.
I have never had this happen to me but am very interested in what other folks have to say.

osteodoc08
May 17, 2011, 07:14 PM
Are you more referring to a hang fire or one that goes bang on the second strike? I've never personally experienced or seen a hang fire, but have had several go boom on a second strike, more commonly on rim fires.

osteodoc08
May 17, 2011, 07:15 PM
I see showmebob beat me to the same question one minute earlier. Dang typing skills....

M-Cameron
May 17, 2011, 07:17 PM
i was always taught that if you get a misfire.....leave it in the chamber for 10 seconds before extracting it.....if it doesnt fire in that time, chances are good its not going to go off.....

LHRGunslinger
May 17, 2011, 07:25 PM
What M-Cameron said was standard practice at the rifle range at the BSA Camps I went to.

scythefwd
May 17, 2011, 07:28 PM
I've had one hang fire in my M16. Went off about 3 seconds later, I never bothered trying to use a round twice at the qual ranges.

Carl N. Brown
May 17, 2011, 07:30 PM
Got hangfires with a few batches of British .303 surplus. Klick, one Mississippi, two Mississippi, BOOM! Teaches one follow through about as well as shooting a flintlock. First time is scary, especially if you are reaching for the bolt handle to eject the "misfire". :what:

Yo Mama
May 17, 2011, 07:33 PM
Yup, surplus 8mm. It sucks, happened like every 5 rounds. Got rid of the Mauser because I was spending to much on Federal (which worked).

However, this is why you wait 45 seconds to see if it's safe before you unload the gun.

One-Time
May 17, 2011, 07:35 PM
Not on a round I didnt try to re-fire, which is good as I have a bad habit(for the range anyway) that as soon as I have a misfire, if i dont catch myself i instinctively 'tap rack ready':o

Carl N. Brown
May 17, 2011, 07:42 PM
If a hangfire round goes off outside the barrel, the bullet won't go far but the case acts like a rocket. It is when the round goes off with the bolt unlocked or partially open one learns why the "safety nazis" harp on wearing eye protection and one wishes then one had listened to those annoying nags!

hanno
May 17, 2011, 07:57 PM
Got hangfires with a few batches of British .303 surplus. Klick, one Mississippi, two Mississippi, BOOM! Teaches one follow through about as well as shooting a flintlock.

Same here. In my case it was POF .303 ammo. After the first couple hangfires I got used to it.

It really is helpful for follow through.

rodensouth
May 17, 2011, 08:30 PM
My wife took our friend to the range plinking with .380 and 22lr. She saw a misfire with friends 22 and said, "point it downrange for 30 seconds".

About 5 seconds later and it went off.

I had always thought it was probably nonsense, but have taught my wife ALL safety lessons I've ever learned.

It was an eye-opener, and I feel fortunate I've never had one pop in a revolver cylinder, because I hadn't been following my own advice!

montanaoffroader
May 17, 2011, 08:56 PM
Yes. A few times, mostly with 22LR. Fortunately my dad was VERY big on safety, so thanks to him I knew enough to keep the gun pointed downrange for a few minutes after I had a misfire.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
May 17, 2011, 08:58 PM
Never.

bri
May 17, 2011, 09:54 PM
Never.

Shimitup
May 17, 2011, 10:02 PM
Many years ago I fired some WWII vintage Frankford Arsenal .45 ACP, berdan primed stuff, some didn't go bang some did. Numerous hang fires, however none longer than about half a second. Great flinch training.

Sunliner
May 17, 2011, 10:07 PM
In 20 years of competing, and tens of thousands of rounds; I've never had it happen or seen it happen, but I know it can.

chris in va
May 17, 2011, 11:26 PM
Yup, I had a few bona-fide hangfires with 'subgun' 7.62x25 surplus in my CZ 52. Click.....BANG. Freaky, yet interesting.

Owen Sparks
May 17, 2011, 11:56 PM
I have only had this happen a few times with really old military surplus. The delay was only a second but a few never went off. Before opening the bolt I waited a good 30 seconds then gave the rifle a couple of solid whacks with the heel of my hand to make sure the dented primer would not fire upon opening.

Guy de Loimbard
May 18, 2011, 12:01 AM
1980's Romanian 7.62x54R. It had about six seconds between the click and the bang.

Heretic
May 18, 2011, 12:10 AM
Yea. Winchester .22. Waited 15 seconds, then kicked out the dud. Went off before it hit the ground. Scared the hell out of me.

teumessian_fox
May 18, 2011, 12:58 AM
I bought some 357 reloads at a mom and pop sporting goods store. They were in a glass jar and I bought them individually. This is when I first started shooting. Circa ~1971.

Two were hangfires. I dropped the hammer. Nothing happened. Then there was a hiss. Then the round went off.

deadin
May 18, 2011, 01:14 AM
Notice a pattern here? Surplus ammo and old ammo, especially old surplus ammo, seems to be where most occur.

Ruger44mag
May 18, 2011, 02:50 AM
I have had lots of 22lr ammo not fire after the first strike but never one going off by itself after the first shot.

GWARGHOUL
May 18, 2011, 03:19 AM
Not yet, but this thread really woke up my safety precautions. Didn't think it was as commonly possible as it is.

RimfireChris
May 18, 2011, 03:22 AM
I had some PMC .22LR go off about 10 seconds after the trigger pull. Scary, I was reaching for the bolt handle when it did. I get duds with Remmington .22 ammo all the time, really slows down my shooting, but after the lesson the PMC taught me, I wait for 30 seconds now instead of ten.

Carl N. Brown
May 18, 2011, 09:35 AM
Have you ever had a round go off after a misfire?

Back to opening post, that sounds to me like a hangfire.

Also could mean a "dud" that will go off if tried again.

Now I did have a batch of .380 with hard primers (maybe small rifle or miltary primers) that took a second strike to fire in a double action auto. Also I have a current batch of military surplus 7.62x25 that has 1 out of 8 or so requiring a second strike. Bad for field use, but good at the range to catch unconscious flinching during practice. Almost as good as having a loader behind me alternating snap caps and live rounds and handing me the gun, if I want to check my follow through.

Even so often, if really bored, I will scoop up a batch of discarded .22 rounds at the range, clean them with cloth and lighter fluid to remove any grit, and give the "one strike" shells a retry in an old .22 rifle: rotated to strike the rim 90 degrees opposite the original strike. 8 or 9 out of 10 will fire on a second strike indicating inconsistent priming, usually the cheap bulk pack ammo. A small percentage have no priming or dead priming.

Jeff F
May 18, 2011, 12:13 PM
Click Bang, yep had my share with some old POF surplus .303. found out if you leave it in the sun for an hour before using it, it would shoot better. Longest hang I ever had with it was about 2 seconds. It was the most crappy ammo I have ever bought. At the time I did not know any better.

longdayjake
May 18, 2011, 12:30 PM
Yup, surplus 8mm. It sucks, happened like every 5 rounds. Sounds to me like you needed to get a new firing pin spring. Those old ones are really weak and need to be replaced. The same is true with old 1903's and enfields. I have experienced a ton of hangfires until I replaced some old firing pin springs. I don't really know how to explain how a harder primer strike reduces hang fires, but for some reason it really did. I had one 1903 springfield that would hangfire my handloads. So, before you go blaming old surplus ammo, look at the gun you are shooting it from.

WNTFW
May 18, 2011, 12:54 PM
I never had a Hang fire.

I have always heard 30 seconds as the wait time after the click with no bang.

I have had centerfire rounds be duds. That is rare. Always really old ammo that had signs of being bad.

Of course rimfire .22lr duds are common. Be careful rotating them. I had a rim split on one I rotated. Not the most dangerous thing. Definitely not pleasant or something I want to happen again.

red-demon652
May 18, 2011, 01:01 PM
Well i tell ya iv had lots of 22lr hang fire click 1-2 bang and ive had surepluse do it as well, even my own reloads rifle and shotgun. Probably from old powder. Iv often wonderd this same thing about ejecting a mis fire if the fact it was cooking ofter the ejection. Well given weve pretty well all have had a click 1-2-3 bang. My analysas is that yes if the round took three seconds to cook enough to fire then yes it verry well could be ejected before itvreaches enough presure to explode the round.

GBExpat
May 18, 2011, 03:26 PM
For those who may not know ...

If you get a FTF with a "Mauser", you can use a case rim in the arrowed notch to manually recock it for another strike without taking the bolt out of battery.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/Jungesblut/Stuff/Bolt2.jpg

Nushif
May 18, 2011, 03:28 PM
Very good question!

Never actually had a hangfire ... interesting hearing some stories about them.

rocky branch
May 18, 2011, 03:51 PM
Standard drill in the military was to announce "Misfire! wait 30 seconds!"

A lot of mauser misfires can be cured with a new spring.

FIVETWOSEVEN
May 18, 2011, 04:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7exg9S_5tQ

This video has some really good examples of hangfires.

Mikee Loxxer
May 18, 2011, 04:56 PM
I have seen it before. A guy at a High Power match a few years ago was competing with an SMLE using some pretty awful Pakistani ammo. It made shooting for score a total waste of time.

1KPerDay
May 18, 2011, 05:33 PM
I had a momentary hangfire with 12 gauge winchester universal shells... one of the many reasons I will never buy them again.

Mightee2
May 18, 2011, 06:36 PM
I wonder what a hangfire would do to a revolver if you pulled the trigger again (bullet not alligned with barrel)? I immagine something very unpleasant.

ArfinGreebly
May 18, 2011, 07:05 PM
Out shooting with my son, he took aim, squeezed, and CLICK!

He continued to point the pistol downrange, turned his head to look at me with a kind of "what now?" expression, and it went off.

I congratulated him on having kept the muzzle downrange, and reinforced that with a "so if it ever happens again, just do that," and discussed the "wait 20 seconds, then manually eject cartridge" drill.

Winnie White Box 9mm.

Never had it happen since.

1KPerDay
May 18, 2011, 07:35 PM
Good boy. :cool:

Heretic
May 19, 2011, 04:47 PM
Any brand, any caliber, any age. Proper training is the answer.

wally
May 19, 2011, 10:28 PM
I've had only one hang fire. I was shooting steel plates using Remington bulk pack, if I remember correctly, in my Ruger 22/45. I got a click and as I reached up to do tap-rack-bang the darn thing when off. It was pointed safely down range.

When shooting surplus ammo I'm much more aware of the possibility and always wait 30 seconds or more before doing anything except a double strike if the gun is capable.

Owen Sparks
May 20, 2011, 12:24 AM
I can't help but think that a round that fails to fire might become hyper sensitive and the slighteas jar such as opening the action might be enough to set it off. If you have no way to recock the rifle I suggest bumping it hard with the heel of your hand a few times before opening the action. I met a guy who had a .45-70 misfire and when he opened the action it went off costing him an eye.

DougW
May 20, 2011, 11:50 PM
I shoot .303. Hang fires are common with some brands of poorly stored surplus ammo. I had 50 rounds if DAC (Canada, I think) that all had the click.....bang syndrome. Kinda keeps you from flinching!

Radagast
May 21, 2011, 07:01 AM
Plenty of second strike firings with rimfire ammo, none that I can recall with centerfire. Only hang fires I've experienced were with Pakistani .303 (POF marked) click...bang. Maybe a quarter to half second between primer strike and the actual shot. The stuff has a reputation for it and I'll never use it again.

hemiram
May 22, 2011, 05:03 AM
Only once. About 25 years ago, I had a bought a BHP and I bought some dusty looking 9mm off the shelf of an old, and I mean really old gun shop, and I loaded up a mag with it and on the second shot, nothing. I started to rack the slide to dump it and it went off. I was very careful until all the old stuff was gone. I can't remember the brand, but it was in a red box with yellow letters.

k4swb
May 22, 2011, 04:55 PM
I had someone give me a .44 mag handgun and a couple of boxes of factory ammo. After inspecting and cleaning the gun and looking at the ammo I thought all looked excellent so I went ashooting. First round, click.

Now I'm holding a heavy handgun with a fairly heavy load (I think) and wondering how long I need to wait. I've got it pointed at the ground a few feet in front of my feet and my wife is asking me what I'm gonna do. At this point I really don't know. I can't put it down. I can't pull the trigger again since that would put a potentially ignited round out of line with the bore so there I stood, for about 60 seconds when BOOOOM!!!

I swear I did not wet myself but I did need to step out of sight fairly quick after that.

The ammo looked fine but I didn't try any more of that stuff. I later found out that he had kept the cylinder loaded and the gun laying around for quite awhile and I expect it was one of these six rounds that was the problem.

First and I hope last time I've ever had a hang fire in a revolver.

mikerault
May 22, 2011, 11:03 PM
Never had a hang fire, many misfires with surplus 8mm.

AZ Hawkeye
May 23, 2011, 06:59 PM
I've never experienced a hangfire myself, but I know a couple people who have. A guy at my local range said a kid almost shot himself as he decided to look into the barrel for a "clog..." The round went off as he was moving it away from his face... He was extremely lucky.

Isaac-1
May 24, 2011, 03:29 AM
I seem to be telling this a lot online the last couple of days, but my grand father was killed by a hang fire from a .22 while squirrel hunting in his back yard. He was using his Winchester model 61 slide action .22 had a hang fire ejected the round and it blew up in his face, he died in the hospital 3 days later from the infection. (He had cancer and was taking chemo so his immune system was comprimised)

longdayjake
May 24, 2011, 09:37 AM
Never had a hang fire, many misfires with surplus 8mm.


Once again. Buy yourself a new firing pin spring.

Heretic
May 24, 2011, 01:14 PM
I've never experienced a hangfire myself, but I know a couple people who have. A guy at my local range said a kid almost shot himself as he decided to look into the barrel for a "clog..." The round went off as he was moving it away from his face... He was extremely lucky


He probably learned to shoot from a video game.

mgmorden
May 24, 2011, 05:55 PM
Never had one myself. Have had plenty of misfires fire on a second strike.

When I do get a misfire I typically wait 10 seconds or before ejecting just in case. Anymore than that is overkill. The guy who mentioned waiting a "few minutes" is way too long.

HK Jake
May 24, 2011, 06:06 PM
I forgot to mention that if I did have a hangfire, I'd just pull the trigger again. My P30 is the DAO LEM type, so with most malfunctions, you just pull the trigger again.

Nushif
May 25, 2011, 12:14 PM
He probably learned to shoot from a video game.

Because we all know Hunters are notorious for not ever looking down their muzzle, right?

Darkskeptic
May 25, 2011, 02:49 PM
I just took a handgun course a week ago. They instructed us to tap, rack, bang, whenever we had a misfire. I asked about hangfire. They didn't seem too worried about it. As I was the only one of 16 students shooting a revolver the whole time, I thought it to be very important to wait, rather than to have a blown up cylinder or worse. 300 or so rounds later, I think I was one of just a few to have no issues. I did tell my friend that went with me to wait a few seconds if it happened.

MtnCreek
May 25, 2011, 03:49 PM
For those that haven't experienced a hangfire and want to, get a CVA Hawken rifle.

cavman
May 25, 2011, 04:01 PM
99% of my shooting is .45 acp (reloads) and .22.

I shoot about 5000-10000 rounds per year.

It has never happened to me, and this was brought up on the Bullseye line a few weeks back and there was only one guy who said, "boy, its been a long time since I ever heard of that happening." But he didn't elaborate. (everyone else didn't know of a situation)

No Hangfires here

Hondo 60
May 25, 2011, 04:28 PM
The only hangfire I've had was actually with a pellet pistol I bought back in 1985.
That one would hangfire on every round.
Fired it 3x and then took it back to the store.

With so many of us saying "no" I wonder if the chemistry of powders & primers has eliminated hangfires?

Yo Mama
May 25, 2011, 05:04 PM
Once again. Buy yourself a new firing pin spring.


Yeah, I found this as a fix when I had the rifle, but didn't want to spend the time or money on it by then. I needed a scoped rifle for huting, and didn't want to sporterize the Mauser.

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