.22 Short Damage


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infuriatednoodle
May 18, 2011, 06:50 PM
I wasn't really sure where to put this thread, but anyhoo. Where I live, we have pesky deer flooding our yard in the summer time. Usually I give them a little persuasion with my BB gun and they don't come back for awhile. Unfortunately, the BB gun broke and all I'm left with are .22 CCI CB Shorts. This may be a stupid question, but what kind of damage would one of those flying at >700 FPS do to a non vital part of the deer (at approx. 50-75 yards)? I have no intention of killing it or seriously injuring it, since I always save that until hunting season :D

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Zanad
May 18, 2011, 06:52 PM
I wouldn't. even the ,22 short is powerful enough to kill a person.


I consider it a .22lr @ 100 yards.

cartridges of the world listed this info(from Wikipedia)

27 gr (1.7 g) RN 1,164 ft/s (355 m/s) 81 ft·lbf (110 J)
29 gr (1.9 g) RN 830 ft/s (250 m/s) 44 ft·lbf (60 J)
29 gr (1.9 g) RN 1,132 ft/s (345 m/s) 140 ft·lbf (190 J)

M-Cameron
May 18, 2011, 06:54 PM
I have no intention of killing it or seriously injuring it,

well....youd better not shoot at it then......even a .22 short will kill/ seriously injure an animal.

is it likely that its going to kill the deer with a non-vital hit.....probably not.......but it will penetrate and it is cruel and inhuman.

ide put out some wolf urine and some deer netting.

wankerjake
May 18, 2011, 06:56 PM
I'd bet they would penetrate the hide. I've seen plenty of rabbits, squirrels and skunks killed with shorts. Go buy a new pellet gun, or get a sling shot. Sling shot would be fun I think:D

matrem
May 18, 2011, 06:57 PM
CBs travel roughly the same speed as a fast Daisy or Crossman.
But the projectile is 5 times HEAVIER!
Not Good!

rodensouth
May 18, 2011, 07:00 PM
It will likely penetrate and could cause prolonged pain at site, possibly infection that may not clear up. If you slipped and hit chest or abdomen it could kill.

I've had them pass through squirrels. Probably not best idea judging by your desired effect IMHO.

kingpin008
May 18, 2011, 07:00 PM
Depending on where you live, you'd also want to check and make sure that you're legally allowed to discharge a firearm on your property.

Fred in Wisc
May 18, 2011, 07:04 PM
My favorite for this scenario is a slingshot and a box of paint balls. Legal to use just about everywhere. Challenging. Silent. It stings but does no permanent damage. And a satisfying colored spot appears on the deer when you are successful.

22-rimfire
May 18, 2011, 08:04 PM
Get another BB gun and one that is not real powerful at that. Slingshot works well too and sufficiently accurate.

You could kill a deer (probably slowly) with a 22 CB Short.

armoredman
May 18, 2011, 08:13 PM
Paintball gun

Shadow 7D
May 18, 2011, 09:08 PM
http://www.paintballsentry.com/
Here's what you need, if you really want to keep the damn overgrown rats away, but it'll get about anything that moves in it's area.

Don't think you can embed video,
so here is a Youtube link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QcfZGDvHU8

goon
May 18, 2011, 09:12 PM
What's so bad about deer in your yard? The OP doesn't say anything about them eating shrubs or crops.
If they're not causing any harm, why not let them alone?

If they are damaging something, I agree with the paintball gun or slingshot/paintball options.

bigfatdave
May 18, 2011, 09:36 PM
You do not employ deadly force against an animal unless you intend to dispatch it.

And doing it as a stopgap because your former hare-brained plan of using a BB gun for the job is just foolishly lazy.

Paintball
Airsoft
Noisemakers
Blanks
... ... hell, plant something thorny

But using a real firearm on something alive just because you want it to go away is not acceptable, and it either shows a woeful ignorance of the energy levels developed by even the most humble of firearms or of the energy required to cause damage to flesh

Shadow 7D
May 18, 2011, 09:39 PM
Most state have a 'harassment of wildlife' statue on the books, which means you can be prosecuted. But running off a 'dangerous animal' is fine, mostly it's used for people shooting game with BB guns etc. BTW, deer are dangerous, have you seen what one can do, NASTY wounds, the hooves are practically blades.

Mike J
May 18, 2011, 09:56 PM
I have had some strays that kept coming back to my yard after I had run them off multiple times. One good hit with a slingshot & they don't come back. They might be a little bruised & sore but there is no penetration so the wound wont get infected & cause serious harm. A wristrocket & a bag of marbles doesn't cost much.

hawkass13
May 18, 2011, 10:04 PM
Firecrackers would probably work. It might also make for some funny pictures if you have a good camera.

hso
May 18, 2011, 10:07 PM
i wouldn't

Frozen North
May 18, 2011, 10:08 PM
A .22 short will kill stuff just fine. My choice of non lethal harassment for dogs and deer is a paint ball gun. It is pretty cool to see marked deer running around too, people really wonder what is on them. Dog owners get the hint real quickly when their pooch comes home with spots.

An electric fence wire around the problem area (gardens and whatnot) work wonders too.

Taurus 66
May 18, 2011, 10:13 PM
but what kind of damage would one of those flying at >700 FPS do to a non vital part of the deer (at approx. 50-75 yards)?

At that range your bullet would still be close to (or over) 1,000 FPS. My question is this: "How could you know 100% for certain the shot you take is non-lethal to the deer? What happens if that small projectile deflects off bone and ends up in an organ? The animal could suffer for a long time."

.22 LRs (and shorts) are very nasty!

If you're not hunting that deer, could you look into finding some better way of repelling it from your property?

BK
May 18, 2011, 10:25 PM
I've got an old mule deer hide from years ago. I'd test this out, but I don't have any short ammo. I think this sort of thing can be easily tested on a range of target medium. I suppose barrel length is going to be a factor no matter what. I've heard some tell of the bullet from a short round getting stuck inside a long rifle barrel. If that's true, a rifle barrel isn't necessarily going to give you max velocity.

LibShooter
May 18, 2011, 10:26 PM
I have no intention of killing it or seriously injuring it, since I always save that until hunting season...

Regardless of your intentions, I'm pretty sure that pointing a firearm at a wild creature and pulling the trigger is the legal definition of hunting. If it's not hunting season it's probably illegal.

infuriatednoodle
May 18, 2011, 10:37 PM
I thank some of you for your straight forward responses. However I am not asking for ridicule and such, just a straight answer. No, I am not ignorant of the power of firearms, I have been around them all of my life and I have a great understanding of what they can do. However, I do not know much about the .22 short cartridge and therefore, I am just asking a simple question that requires a simple answer.

HankB
May 18, 2011, 10:45 PM
Even a .22 Colibri has the potential to kill a deer, so a .22 short will certainly do it. (I do NOT advocate hunting deer with either!)

Most air rifles sold today will penetrate a deer's hide and cause a nasty and painful wound, so I would suggest an air pistol to chase them off; the pellet will sting, but not penetrate. (Usual disclaimer: Of course, I don't know if this would break a local law where you live, so don't consider this a suggestion that you do so.)

mgkdrgn
May 18, 2011, 10:47 PM
I do believe that the Israeli's used 22 shorts for close range assignation. Contact shot to the head ... penetrates into the skull, but not enough umph to get back out, so it just rattles around for a bit.

grampster
May 18, 2011, 11:01 PM
No on the .22 short. Paint ball from a sling shot sounds about right. Maybe a large water balloon launcher would do the job.

Gordon
May 18, 2011, 11:08 PM
The Israelis used/use .22LR or those "hits". Don't shoot .22 CBs at animals at any range. My dog was shot with one at 40 yards and required rapid medical attention and the wound was grapefruit sized the next day. It penetrated about 2+" thru the rib cage of the 150 pound dog. It was all I could do to refrain from sending a Sierra Matchking in return !

Deltaboy
May 18, 2011, 11:13 PM
Buy a Slingshot !

Tomcat47
May 18, 2011, 11:17 PM
Slingshot! Good Idea!

I hunt varmints and such with .22 Short

And Squirrel Hunt with them as well! Very effective at taking squirrels out!
1 Shot! and amazing damage in respect to the little quiet round!

acronn
May 18, 2011, 11:19 PM
Way too powerful, even a cb cap is powerful. The slingshot with paintballs is a good idea. Then you are hopefully training them to get away, and stay away, from people. Deer are a lot like goats. I honk the car horn when I see deer on the side of the road, thinking about crossing in front of a car. I like to think it trains them to get away from cars and that cars are not friendly.

Frozen North
May 18, 2011, 11:20 PM
My opinion with any animal with any firearm is shoot to kill, or don't shoot. My uncle learned his lesson when he "peppered" a neighbor dog with #8 shot. The dog died about a week later from a punctured internal organ of some sort. The dog was a beloved family pet and he felt like the biggest jerk on the face of the Earth.

I have shot plenty of coons and skunks in leg hold traps with a .22 short. It had plenty of power to kill at 25 yards. It would even mess the trap up if you hit it by accident. All you need is an inch of penetration to cause a nasty infection and a slow painful death in an animal like a deer.

LibShooter
May 18, 2011, 11:24 PM
My employer has a T-shirt canon. It's basically a paintball gun with about a 3" bore. I'm thinking it might launch a small water balloon. That sounds like a humane way to chase away wildlife.

I'll try to sneak it out and give it a shot.

Carl N. Brown
May 18, 2011, 11:26 PM
.22 short is used commonly to kill treed raccoons. .22 short is used with careful shots by poachers to take deer. In the right place it will kill a deer.

Personally I used a paintball gun to scare off a problem animal and keep one on top of the kitchen pantry by the back door just in case. Reminds me I need to check the compression in the CO2 in that gun in case I need it again.

ants
May 18, 2011, 11:29 PM
When I was pre-teen, they sold those tiny Astra .22 Short pistols for $25 at Imperial Hardware store. My cousin and two of his friends (they were older than us) bought them and went to a bar to get drunk. They got rowdy and started shooting each other in the butt. My cousin got arrested, the others ran. One of them got infection in the wound.

22-rimfire
May 18, 2011, 11:33 PM
The simple answer is NO. Don't even use CB caps. I wouldn't even suggest 22 shot shells even though beyond 5 feet, they don't have much pentration. 22 shorts are pretty powerful. Try shooting a full soda can and see what happens.

Justin
May 18, 2011, 11:42 PM
Sometimes I don't read a thread because it doesn't interest me.

And then, when I realize that means I'm shirking my duties as a moderator, I open it and read it.

And see things that, frankly, make me freaking cringe.

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