Shipping a gun given to me from WV to MO


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GWARGHOUL
May 18, 2011, 11:00 PM
Just wondering if its legal to ship a gun given to me by my great grandpa from WV to MO via UPS, or if it would be better to case it and check it in and fly back with it?

He's old school, and paperwork other than a signed statement from him with his name, address and phone number, and the gun make and serial number stating he is giving it to me as a family heirloom is out of the question.

If I was driving, I guess it would not be an issue. I did that back in Feb. He gave me two 22 rifles. This time I may be getting a pistol.. or his 50 something year old browning 20 gauge with the gold trigger (He told me today that when he leaves this world, he's leaving it to me)...I'll be traveling by car from WV, through VA I believe back to NC at my Mom's, and then flying back to MO.

Whats the best way that's either legal, or closest with the least hassles?

Thanks!

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jbkebert
May 18, 2011, 11:04 PM
Yes it is legal to ship said gun via UPS. However since it is crossing state lines it must be shipped to a FFL license holder. From that FFL of your choosing you must fill out the NCIC form and pass the phone in background check. Most FFL charge some sort of fee for this service around here its $15 to $20.

Find a firearms dealer and inquire about a firearm transfer and see what their fee's and any special requirements for your state or dealer.

I have done this dozens of times with no problems. Both on the shipping and receiving end. The person shipping just needs the FFL address and a copy of thier FFL certificate to ship. Have it shipped insured a rifle or shotgun can go standard but a handgun is to be overnighted.

GWARGHOUL
May 18, 2011, 11:18 PM
Without going the FFL way, I guess I could just check the gun it, then?

jbkebert
May 18, 2011, 11:25 PM
FFL is the only legal way to ship a complete firearm across state lines.

docnyt
May 18, 2011, 11:25 PM
You cannot cross state lines unless the guns are already yours. You will have to go through an FFL on at least the receiving end. Stupid law but it's the law.

kingpin008
May 18, 2011, 11:36 PM
FFL is the only legal way to ship a complete firearm across state lines.

In this case, perhaps. But in general, there are multiple ways to legally ship a complete firearm across state lines.

If you're going to comment on the legality of something, try to be a little more specific, lest someone reading get confused.

dogtown tom
May 18, 2011, 11:46 PM
GWARGHOUL Just wondering if its legal to ship a gun given to me by my great grandpa from WV to MO via UPS, or if it would be better to case it and check it in and fly back with it?
It's legal for YOUR GRANDFATHER to ship the guns to an FFL in your state.
Federal law prohibits you from receiving the firearms directly from your grandfather.

If a rifle or shotgun:
1. Your grandfather could go with you to a licensed dealer in his state and transfer the firearm through the dealer to you. You would complete a Form 4473 and pass the FBI NICS check before taking possession.
2. Your grandfather could ship the rifle or shotgun to a licensed dealer in your state, where you would do the 4473/NICS before acquiring possession.

If it is a handgun:
1. It can only be shipped to a licensed dealer in your state for transfer.


He's old school, and paperwork other than a signed statement from him with his name, address and phone number, and the gun make and serial number stating he is giving it to me as a family heirloom is out of the question.
I'm not sure what "old school" means in this context....but he commits a Federal crime by just handing the guns to you without following the law. (and that signed statement doesn't satisfy any Federal requirement)



If I was driving, I guess it would not be an issue. I did that back in Feb. He gave me two 22 rifles. This time I may be getting a pistol.. or his 50 something year old browning 20 gauge with the gold trigger...
It's a HUGE issue........you and your grandfather each committed violations of Federal law by doing that.....:uhoh:




I'll be traveling by car from WV, through VA I believe back to NC at my Mom's, and then flying back to MO. Whats the best way that's either legal, or closest with the least hassles?
Probably a separate count in the indictment for each time you illegally transfer take those guns across state lines.:eek:

medalguy
May 19, 2011, 12:58 AM
If he's in the same location as his grandfather, could the grandfather not make a gift of the firearms to him right then and there? Then he could ship the long guns to himself, but the pistol would still need to go thru a FFL, correct?

Dang the federal laws cause a lot of extra work and confusion, and for no really good reason IMO.

docnyt
May 19, 2011, 04:13 AM
Even if the grandfather were to give the firearms as a gift, it would still require going through a licensed dealer because the OP is from a different state.

MachIVshooter
May 19, 2011, 04:40 AM
If a rifle or shotgun:
1. Your grandfather could go with you to a licensed dealer in his state and transfer the firearm through the dealer to you. You would complete a Form 4473 and pass the FBI NICS check before taking possession.
2. Your grandfather could ship the rifle or shotgun to a licensed dealer in your state, where you would do the 4473/NICS before acquiring possession.

Or he could just take possession of the long gun and ship it to himself (or take it on the plane in accordance with FAA/TSA requirements). It is perfectly legal to buy long guns interstate without FFL involvement under federal law. It is only illegal for a non-FFL to ship to another non-FFL interstate.

docnyt
May 19, 2011, 04:50 AM
Or he could just take possession of the long gun and ship it to himself (or take it on the plane in accordance with FAA/TSA requirements). It is perfectly legal to buy long guns interstate without FFL involvement under federal law. It is only illegal for a non-FFL to ship to another non-FFL interstate.

Please don't ask the OP to commit a Federal crime. He is from a different state and cannot legally take possession of his grandfather's firearms without going through an FFL, unless his grandfather dies and he is named to inherit them then that is one of the few exemptions that I know of that he can legally transport them himself.

Sam1911
May 19, 2011, 06:54 AM
Listen to Dogtown Tom and docnyt.

If you don't live in the same state as your grandfather, he CANNOT legally give you a gun to take home with you. Transfers between individuals who are residents of different states MUST go through a dealer or both the giver and the receiver commit federal felonies.

If they are long guns they can be transferred to you at a dealer in either his state or yours. If they are handguns they must be transferred to you at a dealer in your state.

There is no "family" exception to that law. The only exception is if the giver has died and the firearm is passed to an heir as part of a will or through intestate succession.

GWARGHOUL
May 19, 2011, 03:23 PM
The easiest way seems to be to just check it in on the airline.

I'll go ahead and have it transferred while I'm in town.

Both FedEx and UPS say I must go through a FFL or collector etc. Forget all of that. second bag check in is $35.

NOW...

How hard is it to find a locking case for a pistol or rifle... just about any gunshop? or online with QUICK delivery as I'll only be in town a week.

kingpin008
May 19, 2011, 03:31 PM
Dude, you can't just check them on the airline. The only legal way for you to get them back home is for your grandfather to ship them to a FFL in your state and for you to fill out the 4473/etc. like you would for any other purchase or transfer. If you take them back with you on the plane, you've committed a federal felony.

rellascout
May 19, 2011, 03:36 PM
Dude, you can't just check them on the airline. The only legal way for you to get them back home is for your grandfather to ship them to a FFL in your state and for you to fill out the 4473/etc. like you would for any other purchase or transfer. If you take them back with you on the plane, you've committed a federal felony.

+1 You might not get caught but if you do you are looking at a federal felony. Where in WV are the guns? Go to a local FFL. Have your Grandfather transfer the guns via the FFL. The WV FFL can ship them to MO priority mail. Then transfer them at your local FFL in MO. Your Grandfather can ship it directly to your local FFL but he will have to use UPS/FedEx Overnight which will cost more than an FFL transfer in most states.

It is my understanding you can only take firearms you "own" with you on a flight. Until the guns are transferred to you you are breaking the law.

jjk308
May 19, 2011, 03:43 PM
Not true. If you already own a long gun- get an FFL transfer in the state you're in, if state laws allow it, then you can ship the gun to yourself at your home. See a local dealer to see if its legal to transfer it. It is perfectly legal to ship your own gun to yourself for any legal reason and hunters and competitive shooters do it all the time. Check the BATFE regs if you don't believe it.
UPS it has to go from a UPS shipping center, not franchise store.
Fedex - any shipping center or Fedex Office.
Or the post office.
I usually use Fedex because I have an account and they never ask questions. Too many ignorant UPS clerks try to make up regulations on their own.

kingpin008
May 19, 2011, 03:53 PM
JJK - that's just the problem, he may own the gun, but he can't take possession of it. His grandpa can't just gift it to him like that if they live in different states. It has to go through a FFL on the OP's end to be legal. Therefore, none of what you suggest applies.

rellascout
May 19, 2011, 04:05 PM
Not true. If you already own a long gun- get an FFL transfer in the state you're in, if state laws allow it, then you can ship the gun to yourself at your home. See a local dealer to see if its legal to transfer it. It is perfectly legal to ship your own gun to yourself for any legal reason and hunters and competitive shooters do it all the time. Check the BATFE regs if you don't believe it.
UPS it has to go from a UPS shipping center, not franchise store.
Fedex - any shipping center or Fedex Office.
Or the post office.
I usually use Fedex because I have an account and they never ask questions. Too many ignorant UPS clerks try to make up regulations on their own.

He does not own the gun. His Grandfather does. His Grandfather lives in WV he lives in MO. They reside in different states. Therefore they cannot do a face to face transaction in WV.

The grandfather could transfer the gun to a WV FFL who can then transfer it to him because A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee's premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. This only applies to long guns and depending on the state where the purchaser resides "black rifles" may not be considered long guns. None of what you are proposing applies to a pistol.

The Grandfather wants to do a face to face deal so the point is sort of moot. They cannot do a face to face private transaction therefore he cannot become the owner of the gun and transport it himself via plane or common carrier.

Again I believe the grandfather can ship the gun via common carrier to a FFL directly in MO.

GWARGHOUL
May 19, 2011, 04:06 PM
I'm on past the debate, guys.

What I'm looking for is a good locking pistol or rifle case (not sure what he's going to give me this visit).

kingpin008
May 19, 2011, 04:14 PM
I'm on past the debate, guys.

That's the thing, it's not a debate. It's statement of fact regarding the law. If you feel like risking you and your grandfather's freedom (these are 10-year felonies, btw) go ahead. But don't kid yourself that the issue has two sides.

As far as locking cases, google "TSA approved locking gun case". You'll have plenty to choose from.

rellascout
May 19, 2011, 04:26 PM
I'm on past the debate, guys.

What I'm looking for is a good locking pistol or rifle case (not sure what he's going to give me this visit).

Sorry but people like you give law abiding gun owners a bad name. This thread should be locked and you should consider your actions carefully.

GWARGHOUL
May 19, 2011, 05:07 PM
Sorry but people like you give law abiding gun owners a bad name. This tread should be locked and you should consider your actions carefully.

Woah woah, buddy. Maybe you can't read.

I said we were going to do the transfer...way back earlier in the post. The debate as to whats legal kept going, after I decided I was going to do the transfer. As in, I'll see what the local gun shop says, either way I want a locking case.

rellascout
May 19, 2011, 05:31 PM
Sorry but you are clearly ignorant of the law. There is no way you are going to transfer a pistol in WV. You should be able to do a long gun if you find a FFL who will do it.

You have already admitted to committing a felony....

If I was driving, I guess it would not be an issue. I did that back in Feb. He gave me two 22 rifles.

Sorry but your actions reflect poorly on the rest of the shooting community.

chiggerbyt
May 19, 2011, 05:50 PM
GWARGHOUL,
Send me a pm. I am an FFL in the St. Louis, MO area. chig

kingpin008
May 19, 2011, 05:52 PM
I said we were going to do the transfer...way back earlier in the post. The debate as to whats legal kept going, after I decided I was going to do the transfer. As in, I'll see what the local gun shop says, either way I want a locking case.

What you don't seem to understand, is that you CAN'T have it transferred to you while you're in state. The only legal way to do it is to have it shipped to a FFL in your state. So, unless you're planning on checking an empty gun case on your flight back home, we were correct in assuming that you were flirting with a felony.

In short, if you don't like people calling you a poor example of gun ownership, don't go around misunderstanding or ignoring the law.

dogtown tom
May 19, 2011, 06:08 PM
kingpin008 Quote:
I said we were going to do the transfer...way back earlier in the post. The debate as to whats legal kept going, after I decided I was going to do the transfer. As in, I'll see what the local gun shop says, either way I want a locking case.

What you don't seem to understand, is that you CAN'T have it transferred to you while you're in state.

Sure he can.........for a rifle or shotgun. And I posted how to do so above.

Federal law clearly allows nonresidents to acquire rifles or shotguns outside their state of residence from a licensed dealer. All the OP needs to do is have his grandfather take the long guns to a local dealer and have them transferred to the OP right on the spot. The handgun would require shipping to the OP's state of residence.

rellascout
May 19, 2011, 06:09 PM
The reality is that you are clearly ignorant of the law. That you do not understand it nor are you willing to take the advice from people who do understand the law.

YOU CANNOT TRANSFER THE PISTOL IN THE STATE OF WV UNLESS YOU ARE A WV RESIDENT. PERIOD...

Now you can transfer a shotgun to you in WV, again if you can find a FFL willing to do it. A lot of FFLs will not do this type of transfer even though it is legal. You then can transport that gun to MO.

hirundo82
May 19, 2011, 06:10 PM
What you don't seem to understand, is that you CAN'T have it transferred to you while you're in state. The only legal way to do it is to have it shipped to a FFL in your state.

That depends on the gun, since the OP's grandfather was considering giving him either a shotgun or a handgun.

You can legally recieve a long gun from a FFL in a state in which you are not a resident as long as that is OK with the state where the FFL is located and your state of residence (I'd be surprised if either WV or MO had a problem with it). The OP could therefore get the shotgun transferred to him by a FFL in WV.

However, a handgun can only be transferred by a FFL in your state of residence. The OP's grandfater would have to ship the handgun to a MO FFL.

Or he could just take possession of the long gun and ship it to himself (or take it on the plane in accordance with FAA/TSA requirements). It is perfectly legal to buy long guns interstate without FFL involvement under federal law. It is only illegal for a non-FFL to ship to another non-FFL interstate.

A private party transfer cannot legally take place between residents of two different states. It is the residency of the parties that makes it illegal, not the state where it occurs.

rellascout
May 19, 2011, 06:11 PM
Federal law clearly allows nonresidents to acquire rifles or shotguns outside their state of residence from a licensed dealer. All the OP needs to do is have his grandfather take the long guns to a local dealer and have them transferred to the OP right on the spot. The handgun would require shipping to the OP's state of residence.

If you can find an FFL willing to do the transfer. Lots will not. I know a lot of FFLs who do not want to have to book these types of transfers. It is not worth the time and the extra work. I have seen FFLs refuse long gun purchases out of their inventory to out of state purchasers. Just because its legal does not mean every FFL is going to do it. Think about how many FFLs will not receive a gun from a private citizen from outside their state. Perfectly legal but a lot of them refuse.

You are also ignoring the fact the OP states:

He's old school, and paperwork other than a signed statement from him with his name, address and phone number, and the gun make and serial number stating he is giving it to me as a family heirloom is out of the question.

Does not sound like Grandpa feel the need to follow the law.

rellascout
May 19, 2011, 06:13 PM
However, a handgun can only be transferred by a FFL in your state of residence. The OP's grandfater would have to ship the handgun to a MO FFL.

Yet his is looking to pick out a FAA approved case for a pistol or a shotgun... :what:

hirundo82
May 19, 2011, 06:14 PM
How hard is it to find a locking case for a pistol or rifle... just about any gunshop? or online with QUICK delivery as I'll only be in town a week.

TSA regs say hard-sided locking case with locks to which only you have the key/combo (ie non-TSA locks). Any sporting goods store should have an appropriate case; heck, I bet you could find one in just about any WalMart in WV.

Yet his is looking to pick out a FAA approved case for a pistol or a shotgun...

Multiple people in this thread have told him the legal way to do the transfer for a handgun or long gun, now it's his choice to follow it or not. I'm just passing along how to avoid getting arrested at the airport for inappropriately transporting a fiream in his checked luggage.

hirundo82
May 19, 2011, 06:19 PM
If you can find an FFL willing to do the transfer. Lots will not.

Depends what part of the state we're talking about. Bubbles is in the WV panhandle; I bet she'd be willing to do the long gun transfer.

NavyLCDR
May 19, 2011, 06:26 PM
Holy he said, she said, I think batman.

How about this:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000922----000-.html

18 USC 922, Federal law:

(a) It shall be unlawful—
(3) for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to transport into or receive in the State where he resides (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, the State where it maintains a place of business) any firearm purchased or otherwise obtained by such person outside that State, except that this paragraph (A) shall not preclude any person who lawfully acquires a firearm by bequest or intestate succession in a State other than his State of residence from transporting the firearm into or receiving it in that State, if it is lawful for such person to purchase or possess such firearm in that State, (B) shall not apply to the transportation or receipt of a firearm obtained in conformity with subsection (b)(3) of this section, and (C) shall not apply to the transportation of any firearm acquired in any State prior to the effective date of this chapter;

That makes it illegal for the grandson to receive any gun from the living grandfather as a gift because they are residents of different states, unless the gun is transferred through an FFL.

(a) It shall be unlawful—
(5) for any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) to transfer, sell, trade, give, transport, or deliver any firearm to any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, does not maintain a place of business in) the State in which the transferor resides; except that this paragraph shall not apply to
(A) the transfer, transportation, or delivery of a firearm made to carry out a bequest of a firearm to, or an acquisition by intestate succession of a firearm by, a person who is permitted to acquire or possess a firearm under the laws of the State of his residence, and
(B) the loan or rental of a firearm to any person for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes;

That makes it illegal for the living grandfather to give any gun to the grandson as a gift without going through an FFL because they are residents of different states.

(b) It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver—
(3) any firearm to any person who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, does not maintain a place of business in) the State in which the licensee’s place of business is located, except that this paragraph (A) shall not apply to the sale or delivery of any rifle or shotgun to a resident of a State other than a State in which the licensee’s place of business is located if the transferee meets in person with the transferor to accomplish the transfer, and the sale, delivery, and receipt fully comply with the legal conditions of sale in both such States (and any licensed manufacturer, importer or dealer shall be presumed, for purposes of this subparagraph, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, to have had actual knowledge of the State laws and published ordinances of both States), and (B) shall not apply to the loan or rental of a firearm to any person for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes;

That makes it illegal for a West Virginia FFL to transfer any firearm other than a rifle or shotgun to the grandson because the grandson is a Missouri resident. A rifle or shotgun may legally be transferred to the grandson by a West Virginia FFL. The grandson may be legally transferred any firearm by a Missouri FFL.

Once the grandson receives the guns via an FFL transfer, they are his to transport however he sees fit to West Virginia. They can go in checked baggage on an airplane, they can go in a car with him. He can mail, via US Post Office or ship via UPS or FEDEX a rifle or shotgun to himself. He can ship via UPS or FEDEX a handgun to himself.

rellascout
May 19, 2011, 06:27 PM
Depends what part of the state we're talking about. Bubbles is in the WV panhandle; I bet she'd be willing to do the long gun transfer.

I know in my town in S WV 3 out of the 4 FFLs would not do this transfer. Guess which one I use.... LOL

rellascout
May 19, 2011, 06:31 PM
Well stated LTNavy. My issue is that he continues to talk as if he can legally transfer a pistol in WV and then transport it to MO which he cannot.

Also unless I misunderstand him he thinks it is OK to transport the shotgun via airplane to MO and transfer it there.

NavyLCDR
May 19, 2011, 06:32 PM
49 CFR 1540.111, Federal Regulations:
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=c331924c1da92a764bcd20fdeb09d89e&rgn=div8&view=text&node=49:9.1.3.5.10.2.10.6&idno=49

§ 1540.111 Carriage of weapons, explosives, and incendiaries by individuals.

(c) In checked baggage. A passenger may not transport or offer for transport in checked baggage or in baggage carried in an inaccessible cargo hold under §1562.23 of this chapter:

(1) Any loaded firearm(s).

(2) Any unloaded firearm(s) unless—

(i) The passenger declares to the aircraft operator, either orally or in writing, before checking the baggage, that the passenger has a firearm in his or her bag and that it is unloaded;

(ii) The firearm is unloaded;

(iii) The firearm is carried in a hard-sided container; and

(iv) The container in which it is carried is locked, and only the passenger retains the key or combination.

You can get a suitable gun case at Wal Mart or any sporting goods store for $5 to $10 and it gets a standard, non-TSA padlock on it that only the owner of the firearm retains the key/combo to. The gun case can then be placed in a regular suitcase, if desired, along with the spare underwear, socks, etc. Just keep it readily accessible inside the suitcase because the airline counter may want you to open it to show the gun is unloaded. The gun case can also go completely separate and outside all other checked luggage, but I wouldn't recommend it.

rellascout
May 19, 2011, 06:32 PM
I agree with others for a long gun which has been transfered in WV a $10 Plano case from Walmart with a proper lock will do.

NavyLCDR
May 19, 2011, 06:35 PM
Well stated LTNavy. My issue is that he continues to talk as if he can legally transfer a pistol in WV and then transport it to MO which he cannot.

Also unless I misunderstand him he thinks it is OK to transport the shotgun via airplane to MO and transfer it there.

1. He cannot legally have the pistol transferred to him in West Virginia. The current owner of a pistol, the grandfather, will have to ship a pistol to a Missouri FFL for transfer.

2. He cannot legally take any firearm to any FFL for transfer to himself. The owner of the firearm, the grandfather, must deliver or ship the gun to an FFL for transfer to the new owner, the grandson.

rellascout
May 19, 2011, 06:36 PM
1. He cannot legally have the pistol transferred to him in West Virginia. The current owner of a pistol, the grandfather, will have to ship a pistol to a Missouri FFL for transfer.

2. He cannot legally take any firearm to any FFL for transfer to himself. The owner of the firearm, the grandfather, must deliver or ship the gun to an FFL for transfer to the new owner, the grandson.

Agreed and from my reading the OP does not understand either of these points.

PS he has already admitted to committing a felony.

If I was driving, I guess it would not be an issue. I did that back in Feb. He gave me two 22 rifles.

GWARGHOUL
May 19, 2011, 06:57 PM
Sorry but you are clearly ignorant of the law. There is no way you are going to transfer a pistol in WV. You should be able to do a long gun if you find a FFL who will do it.

You have already admitted to committing a felony....

If I was driving, I guess it would not be an issue. I did that back in Feb. He gave me two 22 rifles.

Sorry but your actions reflect poorly on the rest of the shooting community.

Your attitude makes worse reflections than my ignorance of insane laws. Seeing as I posted here to get the education. I find such comments slightly abusive.

What you don't seem to understand, is that you CAN'T have it transferred to you while you're in state. The only legal way to do it is to have it shipped to a FFL in your state. So, unless you're planning on checking an empty gun case on your flight back home, we were correct in assuming that you were flirting with a felony.

In short, if you don't like people calling you a poor example of gun ownership, don't go around misunderstanding or ignoring the law.

I came here to find out such laws. I'm not a bad example because of a simple mistake on my past actions. I will put a $100 that almost everyone here has broken a gun law, either on purpose or because of the natural ignorance that comes with insane gun laws.

Point being, I came here to learn, and learn I have. No reasons for the personal attacks, or insulting demeanor. To me, that speaks poorly of our community, more so that someone seeking answers that has made a mistake.

rellascout
May 19, 2011, 07:01 PM
Whats the best way that's either legal, or closest with the least hassles?

:banghead:

GWARGHOUL
May 19, 2011, 07:07 PM
The reality is that you are clearly ignorant of the law. That you do not understand it nor are you willing to take the advice from people who do understand the law.

YOU CANNOT TRANSFER THE PISTOL IN THE STATE OF WV UNLESS YOU ARE A WV RESIDENT. PERIOD...

Now you can transfer a shotgun to you in WV, again if you can find a FFL willing to do it. A lot of FFLs will not do this type of transfer even though it is legal. You then can transport that gun to MO.

Someone seeking information, and you want to call them ignorant?

Come on, with the demeanor that you're speaking, yes, I find it insulting.

If you want to take me calling you out on your attitude, a threat... you're out of line and should probably re-asses what you consider a threat.

I'm not here to be treated like crap for posing a question or two. I'm also no posing the question to be picked apart, mis-understood, or misconstrued into something its not.

SOME people in the community have a real "gun guy" complex, and if I didn't see right through it, I would have already left.

I've been educated in this thread...AWESOME...
I've been insulted in this thread... NOT COOL..
I've been offered help by a member with a local FFL, and a PM or two from some member... MOST HELPFUL AND KUDOS..

GWARGHOUL
May 19, 2011, 07:09 PM
Whats the best way that's either legal, or closest with the least hassles?

I probably should have presented that the way I intended to mean it. I didn't mean as an alternative to legal...

With that being said.. lets focus on the topic at hand, and quit the pissing match please.

rellascout
May 19, 2011, 07:10 PM
If you are getting the shotgun have your great grandfather bring it to a local WV FFL. Then have that FFL transfer it to you. Then place it in a FAA approved case, get one at Walmart, and transport it to MO via plane train or automobile.

If your Great Grandfather is giving you a pistol have him ship it directly to a FFL in MO via common carrier like Fed Ex or UPS and transfer it in MO. OR have your Great Grandfather take it to a local WV FFL and have him ship it to your local MO FFL via USPS Priority Mail, depending on what the WV FFL charges this will be cheaper than shipping directly via common carrier. UPS and Fedex will require you ship overnight with Adult signature etc..... which is expensive.

These are the two scenarios you need to explore.

GWARGHOUL
May 19, 2011, 07:14 PM
Thank you rellascout.

scythefwd
May 19, 2011, 08:05 PM
You can be willed the gun. No FFL transfer is needed. I do not know if you can ship the handgun to yourself at your residental address. You can a long gun, hunters do it all the time. They ship the rifle to the hunting "resort" in care of themselves and they sign for it there when they get there.

A will, as in last will and testiment, can pass a gun from one person to another without a ffl as long as the gun can be legally owned (no sbr, aod, destructive device, full auto, you get the point). You will have to have proof that the will, at least that part, was enacted before he died.

Art Eatman
May 19, 2011, 08:17 PM
More than enough correct answers...

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