Ted Nugent schools CNNís Piers Morgan on gun control


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Dragonboysx
May 19, 2011, 09:34 AM
Love this....

http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2011/05/18/youre-so-british-ted-nugent-schools-cnns-piers-morgan-on-gun-control/

(First post btw... hi! :D)

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mbogo
May 19, 2011, 12:25 PM
The best snippet:

Pier Morgan: "As much as I'd love to suck on your machine gun..."

mbogo

HGUNHNTR
May 19, 2011, 12:38 PM
Ugh, Ted, thanks for nothing. Scratch that, thanks for reconfirming to all of those against gun rights and those ont he fence that gun rights advocates are a bunch of redneck, mouth breathing idiots. I wish this guy would turn anti gun, and be their mouthpiece. :barf:

X-Rap
May 19, 2011, 12:55 PM
Ugh, Ted, thanks for nothing. Scratch that, thanks for reconfirming to all of those against gun rights and those ont he fence that gun rights advocates are a bunch of redneck, mouth breathing idiots. I wish this guy would turn anti gun, and be their mouthpiece.

Wow why all the hate on Ted? He is kinda in your face but this debate needs all kinds.
Do you fault his message or just the delivery?

General Geoff
May 19, 2011, 12:58 PM
Ugh, Ted, thanks for nothing.

Did you watch the same video that I did? He might be brazen but he gets his point across, and he was ready to counter his opponent's assertions with statistics and numbers cited from a reliable source (the center for disease control). I don't see what he did wrong.

DM~
May 19, 2011, 12:59 PM
Wow why all the hate on Ted?


Because for every intellegent thing he says, he says an equil amount of REALLY stupid things, makeing most gun owners look like idiots!

DM

HGUNHNTR
May 19, 2011, 01:02 PM
Oh c'mon, "you can suck on my machine gun?!" Childish retorts mixed with childish antics? Thats how you want to be represented as a responsible gun owner..not me. Look at this interview from another perspective, maybe as a nuetral, but non-gun owner. Now, what message does this convey? It is fanaticism that mocks responsible gun ownership...purely disgusting.

Cosmoline
May 19, 2011, 01:06 PM
Actually that's the *MILD* version of Ted! He was on his best behavior there. As he himself admits, he's a wild rock and roll musician. He just happens to be into guns.

But I think this highlights the fact that the gun rights movement, as powerful as it currently is, doesn't really have any clear leaders. There are some celebrities such as Ted who are affiliated, but it's a stretch to say they're speaking for anyone. Charlton Heston was probably the last to be able to voice the general positions of most RKBA supporters.

41magsnub
May 19, 2011, 01:07 PM
As much as I tend to agree with him, as others have mentioned Ted is not a very good spokesman.

19-3Ben
May 19, 2011, 01:09 PM
Ugh, Ted, thanks for nothing. Scratch that, thanks for reconfirming to all of those against gun rights and those ont he fence that gun rights advocates are a bunch of redneck, mouth breathing idiots. I wish this guy would turn anti gun, and be their mouthpiece.

Huge +1.

I can't stand the guy. He makes the rest of us look bad. Look, in every group you always have that one nitwit who makes the whole rest of the group look bad. He's ours.

As DM said, he does make some good points. but every time he does, it's framed in this belittling, offensive manner that sucks the legitimacy out of every argument.

When your argument is strong, you don't have to be disparaging. Disparaging and dismissive language is a tool for those who have a weak argument and try to win it by dragging the conversation down to the gutter. We're above that because we're right.

HGUNHNTR
May 19, 2011, 01:10 PM
+1 to you Ben....If a THR member made the same types of comments on a thread, I believe the mods would remove them in good taste.

Br
May 19, 2011, 01:11 PM
I think if things were switched around and a musician threatened a republican president to
"to suck on my machine gun" Fox news would be leading an uproar against them and asking why the secret service isn't getting involved. Instead, its business at usual at the bizzaro world of Faux News.

M2 Carbine
May 19, 2011, 01:11 PM
Go Ted!!!

Good to see it when someone has the guts to throw the anti-gun lies back in the face of the anti-gun, anti 2nd Amendment crowd.

HGUNHNTR
May 19, 2011, 01:13 PM
^Yeah if it were only done with tact and class, it would be much more powerful.

effengee
May 19, 2011, 01:29 PM
He's crass, opinionated, and flagrant.
And that's why I like him.

The simple-minded people have always thought that all gun owners are toothless beer swilling hillbillies who blast small furry animals for pleasure.

I wish we could get more people to understand that we are not all that way, just like I know that not all liberals are tree hugging, gun hating, granola chompers who believe that no animals should be harmed, EVER!

Gun owners are a diverse bunch as this website is a testimony to, that being said, I don't forsee CNN knocking on Tom Selleck's door for a gun interview.
CNN knows as well as you or I that Uncle Ted will say something outrageous that will fire up both sides of the gun debate and cause the numbers to skyrocket.

Some people like him, some don't. I for one, believe in exercising all my rights and free speech is the second most important to me. Right after the right to keep and bear arms. I don't say you have to agree, but I do say I get to have my own opinion, and so does Ted. That's what makes this country great.

HGUNHNTR
May 19, 2011, 01:31 PM
^ The problem is that he excercises his first amendment right as a spokesman for the shooting public as a whole.

19-3Ben
May 19, 2011, 01:33 PM
Some people like him, some don't. I for one, believe in exercising all my rights and free speech is the second most important to me. Right after the right to keep and bear arms. I don't say you have to agree, but I do say I get to have my own opinion, and so does Ted. That's what makes this country great.

Just because you have a right to say it, doesn't mean that it's strategically wise. Nobody is arguing that Ted doesn't have a right to say what he said.
The point some of us are making that by exercising his right in the manner in which he chooses to exercise it, he casts us in a bad light and does more harm to the cause than good. He alienates people who are otherwise on the fence, or have little exposure to the debate.

Edit to add- Why do I suddenly feel like HGUNHNTER and I are on the same team in a tag-team wrestling match?:D

hardluk1
May 19, 2011, 01:41 PM
When have you ever heard a smart truth speaking anti-gun person that did not get out of control when pushed on the subject. I know thats an oxymoron. If you have a butt head of an anti-gunner just turn Ted loose on them and he will only push his point to whats needed so he can stay a couple steps in front of there coments. Could you see a mild mannered well spoken pro-gun supporter getting his point across with piers morgan. Not likely. He does tend to control a show. Ted may be a fully unedited person but he does a fine job of being on top of a anti VS pro gun descussion

X-Rap
May 19, 2011, 01:45 PM
As someone said he he is an outrageous rock and roller of the highest degree the fact that he is vehemently pro 2a and 1a is a bonus IMO. He gets the message out and that's the important part.
I look at it like the old I'm the NRA adds, they showed a broad spectrum of Americans who all have the same passion.
I often complain about the lack of celebrities who are willing to lay it on the line, Ted is not one of them. His style is much needed with those in the opposition that have similar personalities like that phony Libertarian Bill Maher.

All the haters can "suck on my machine gun":neener::evil:

19-3Ben
May 19, 2011, 01:59 PM
Ted may be a fully unedited person but he does a fine job of being on top of a anti VS pro gun descussion.

He does a fine job of being louder. Not outsmarting, or winning. There's a big difference.

HGUNHNTR
May 19, 2011, 02:08 PM
Could you see a mild mannered well spoken pro-gun supporter getting his point across with piers morgan. Yes, that is exactly what I would like to see. You can't tell me the best we can muster is Ted.

KodiakBeer
May 19, 2011, 02:23 PM
Somebody needs to get in these peoples faces, especially when they spout the twisted statistics.

I like Ted as a gun rights spokesman. I dislike Ted as a hunting spokesman - has he ever done anything except sit in a blind next to a corn dispenser?

trailgator
May 19, 2011, 02:27 PM
You can't tell me the best we can muster is Ted.

He probably watches Sons of Guns too. :rolleyes:

buck460XVR
May 19, 2011, 02:34 PM
I like Ted as a gun rights spokesman. I dislike Ted as a hunting spokesman - has he ever done anything except sit in a blind next to a corn dispenser?

In my part of the country gun owners are generally hunters and non-hunters/non-gun owners relate to us this way. In my part of the country, Ted is known as a violator and a shooter......... not a hunter. His negative actions reflect bad on all of us, regardless of how staunch his stand is for gun rights.

mgregg85
May 19, 2011, 02:38 PM
Yeah Ted definitely does have a take no prisoners approach to this, I am glad that he is on our side. I think it would help if he would calm down a bit but, like many of us, he is really passionate about the issue and emotions will run high.

Leatherman-Cowboy
May 19, 2011, 02:38 PM
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I loved the interview.Mr Nugent has passion-energy-pride-can do attitude-information,and a BACKBONE.And I like that.He also has a bubbly way of delivering his message,and you cant help but pay attention to him.What is wrong with that?Even though they did not agree on all point's,I still think it was a good exchange of strong opinionated men.
Gun control-----one in each hand.
Thank you,
Henry

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dirtykid
May 19, 2011, 02:42 PM
Well we cant always have the best of both worlds,can we ?? if we want somebody to bash the anti's back, they NEED to be loud and brash sometimes,Before they set-up that interview they KNEW what kind of a fanatical "Back-strap assasin" he is,
I like his pro-gun , pro free-speech attitude,although he could tone it down a tich from time-to-time.
As far as his hunting-tactics go, Im SICK of watching ANY hunting show that is within range of a feeder , espically the one's that start the heavy guitar strummin when prey appears on screen,, I just turn the channel,, which is im sure what a few people did when they saw TED was coming up next on CNN !!

Paladin7
May 19, 2011, 02:50 PM
I liked the way Ted stole the conversation and got his point across. Especially fond of the way he prefaced his one argument with, "I hope you guys aren't going to edit this out." We need to do that sometimes.... Piers was not there for a rational debate, it's always a set up with the Left. I say they got a taste of their own medicine... Face it, if a 2A Supporter is invited on one of the Leftist networks, its a knife fight. If you show up with the assumption you will use the Marquis of Queensbury rules, you are going to be carried out a bloody mess.

Anyone remember the Rosie O'Donnell set up of Tom Selleck?

It doesn't matter anyway, like MSLSD, no one watches CNN...

outlook ranch
May 19, 2011, 03:01 PM
I think the lefty's would come collect our guns tomorrow if we let them. Demorats have tried for years to do this, but for those of us who say "NAY NAY", including The Nuge, we still have our shooters. I couldn't say I would like Ted as our 2nd amendment spokes-person, but I can't say not either. He believes what he believes, as do I. Like him, I say "If you want to disarm me, gome getcha some." USMC, Vietnam Vet here...I ain't giving up nuttin......especially to the gov......I already did that....

sig220mw
May 19, 2011, 03:34 PM
Did Ted get a little out of line. Yes he did but guess what , they say a lot worse things about us and the effete media never criticizes their own when they dump on us. Ted did what I've been saying we should do for years now. He got down in the ditch with them and shoveled some their excrement back at them.

Why do WE always have to be nice and they don't? After all, the facts are indeed on our side.

blarby
May 19, 2011, 03:38 PM
Thanks Nuge !

skoro
May 19, 2011, 04:14 PM
Those of us who actually served during Vietnam don't have such warm memories of the Nuge. He's free to speak his mind, but he does us no good in our cause of gun rights. :rolleyes:

Ryanxia
May 19, 2011, 05:52 PM
I like it!

HGUNHNTR
May 19, 2011, 06:10 PM
Thanks for the soundbytes Nuge--The Brady Campaign

smalls
May 19, 2011, 06:10 PM
Ted's pretty loud, and I usually love it. If he could find a middle ground between his obnoxiounous and knowledge he'd have everyone pro gun. He needs to learn when to be professional.

Bob M.
May 19, 2011, 06:15 PM
Ron Paul/Ted Nugent 2012 :cool:

mljdeckard
May 19, 2011, 06:22 PM
(I can't view the clip here so I don't know exactly what he said,) If we were in a struggle with an opposition that is polite and honorable, we would have no use for Ted Nugent. But we aren't. I am more interested in results than methods. In a society that has become more politically correct, and people are developing this notion that they have a right to not be offended, Uncle Ted is a deserved bucket of icewater in the face. He's not alienating anyone who didn't already hate us.

HGUNHNTR
May 19, 2011, 06:37 PM
He's not alienating anyone who didn't already hate us.
You are probably right, however, he did alienate a huge portion of the population that may have supported us. Thats where the problem lies. This is just plain old bad marketing.

And on that same vein can ANYONE here explain how his interview could have possible furthered the cause of the RKBA? anyone?

CNN abviously chose Ted because they knew how he would behave, given the mixed reaction at THR, imagine how the general public viewed his behavior and interview.

ArfinGreebly
May 19, 2011, 07:05 PM
Those of us who actually served during Vietnam don't have such warm memories of the Nuge. He's free to speak his mind, but he does us no good in our cause of gun rights.

I was a draft dodger. I joined the USAF to avoid the draft.

I was a coward, and it took me years to get over that. For years I was praised for serving, thanked for my service, and kept my shame at being a coward in uniform to myself.

Today, I argue the side of liberty. To anyone who accuses me of having not been the perfect patriot all my life, guilty as charged.

Now, if you don't mind, those of use who have matured, who have awakened, who are now willing to stand fast, even though it terrifies us, we've got work to do.

Nugent never wore the uniform. I did. We were both, at that time, pretty miserable specimens. It took me longer to figure out that I'd gotten it wrong. I didn't learn courage until years later.

I may have some claim to the "moral high ground" but I haven't done a fraction of what he's done for gun rights or wounded veterans.

So I can be as morally superior as I want, but Nugent gets more done and actually does more good than I likely ever will.

But at least I can claim to have my "honor" (whatever that is), and deny him any acknowledgement that he might, somewhere along his road, have reclaimed his.

Far as I'm concerned, he's a fellow traveler, and I'm glad we have him.

While he may not be up to your standards, I see it differently. But then I'm climbing out of a deeper hole than some of y'all.

MagnumDweeb
May 19, 2011, 07:21 PM
I love Nuge, I'd have been on there slicked in a suit and tie calling the CNN crony a coward, a fool, and a traitor. Would have said all kinds of other things to the guy. So in my opinion Ted was well restrained and disarmed the idiot talking to him when he kept saying outlandish things. Also I went on CNN to see some of the other clips and they were good too. CNN cronies might piss their pants because there are those of us who know that the lefties being dead is better than us being disarmed. It's nothing personal it's just how it is. We don't need more cowards, fools, or traitors. We do however need more law abiding citizens with firearms and concealed weapon's permits.

There was another clip about Gifford where Ted asked the English guy about Belfast and C4 and the English guy couldn't quite answer or meet Ted on the battlefield of wit. The clip unfortunately shut off just as Ted said he could get a sub-machine gun in New York city from a crack dealer, and he's probably right. Ted's not the best spokesman, but I'll stand with him any day of the week when CNN guy's like that interviewer are being whiney punks.

Vyacheslav
May 19, 2011, 07:25 PM
fortune favors the bold

armoredman
May 19, 2011, 07:35 PM
Arfin, did you have the possability of being deployed to VietNam as an Airman? Did you face death from our enemies if the Cold War had suddenly bloomed hot? Draft dodgers ran to Canada. You volunteered to serve despite being scared of going to 'Nam, and with that possability still very much hanging over you, so quit knocking yourself. Clinton was a draft dodger -you DID volunteer to serve.
As for the Nuge, he is VERY much in-your-face, but then remember The Daley threatening to shove an SKS with extended bayonet up a reporters' rear end for the crime of disagreeing with him? The Mass Media doesn't, either. How about Spike Lee saying Charleton Heston should be shot in the face with a Bulldog 44 for believing in gun rights? The Motor City Madman seems pretty tame compared to that. Even Rosie "The Spoon" O'Donnel's screaming rant, "I don't care, it's 1999, we've had enough as a society; if you own a gun you should go to jail!", is far more over the top than Terrible Teddy.
Watch Teds interview at the NRA convention, good stuff.

Rembrandt
May 19, 2011, 07:36 PM
NRA has a number of articulate spokespeople.....Wayne LaPierre and Kayne Robinson come to mind. Ted will never have the class or measure up to a Charlton Heston, unfortunately Ted's style is better suited for truck stop bathroom walls.

ArfinGreebly
May 19, 2011, 07:49 PM
. . . Wayne LaPierre and Kayne Robinson come to mind . . .

Yeah. I've got some Gun Talk audio clips for you of Wayne being interviewed by Tom Gresham.

Sure. He's all articulate and polished and stuff. But you really should hear him in that interview.

You may want to trade that "articulate" approach for Ted's uncouth manner and style, but that interview left me looking for mouthwash.

Ted may not suffer from excessive "couth," but I don't believe I'd have to worry about what kind of deals he'd cut when I wasn't looking.

Wolfebyte
May 19, 2011, 08:06 PM
Haters gonna be hating... big deal..

that was toned down Ted...


Thanks Ted!!! whack em and stack em !!

hardluk1
May 19, 2011, 08:50 PM
For the whinner talk'n about hunters hunting over corn . Not all have the time to hint for maybe several months on end in hopes that you are in the right spot to take a naturaly hunted free rangeing deer. Small controled planted crops do exactly the same thing. Some use all advantages to our state law's give us the freedom to use so we can put a deer or two in our freezer and do our part in keep the deer herds in check a bit. I guess it kinda like Ted , Deal with it in your own mind All hunters should stand together and not bitch about how another hunter take adeer or 2 for the season. Where i live if you don't use some feed supplement advantage you my not kill a deer.

Hunt480
May 19, 2011, 08:52 PM
Gotta love uncle Ted, thats one Yankee that speaks the truth. He uses his platform for the cause whats not to like. Only a bigger idiot than the guy interviewing Ted could'nt understand this. I am a southern redneck born and raised in Ga. and the majority I know will say "God Bless Uncle Ted". I have been a fan all my life and even more so now. I just wish we could muster more like Ted that will say what needs saying!!! I literally can't believe what I'm reading in some of these post it is sickining to me.

16shells
May 19, 2011, 08:52 PM
I've never fully understood the use of "celebrity endorsement" to sell a social/political issue. I have read research about the small effect of using it to sell soap, food, or cars but wonder if people are often persuaded to accept or reject a social or political issue due to the words of a celebrity. I doubt I would change my mind on anything because of something Ted said. But I have to say I did really like the "Free for All" album.

12131
May 19, 2011, 09:01 PM
Those who hate Nugent, or don't like his style, are not gonna change their mind. Too bad.

sonick808
May 19, 2011, 09:09 PM
Excellent job Ted.

420Stainless
May 19, 2011, 09:24 PM
I don't know Ted's history past the last decade or so. The last 10 years has been great. I'm glad he's on the freedom side and speaks from the gut. He's a citizen celebrity standing up for what he believes in. I don't want to look like him or act like him, but I don't mind him being who he is right now.

Scout Dork
May 19, 2011, 09:35 PM
If it wasn't for Ted, then who?
I listened to Ted this past week on Howard Stern(gun owner) and he was the same Pro 2nd.

I couldn't watch all of this:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/05/06/rachel_maddow_and_meghan_mccain_go_to_a_gun_show.html

RugerMcMarlin
May 19, 2011, 10:08 PM
Br....Huh!!!? Do you actually equate leftist media puppets with republican presidents? and Holy @#$% whats it got to do with TED NUGENT. I will be the first to say that about 20 minutes of him talking gives me a headache. But even if you feel offended or mis represented by him, HE GETS ON AIR!
You and I can agree on what is the most tactful or effective arguement all day long but we wont get any air time because were boring! and if we make sense it doesnt further their agenda. Part of that agenda (theirs) is to keep us bickering and quarreling amongst ourselve. He's on our side, support him.

HE WALKS THE WALK, AND HAS LOGGED MORE AIR TIME/PRIMETIME IN OUR BEHALF THAN ANYONE! Ted ya piss me off, BUT GOD BLESS YOU!

RugerMcMarlin
May 19, 2011, 10:34 PM
MLJBDECKARD! Much to my surprise I agree! You said what I meant but did it way better! Even tones and steady measured logic has won us at best a stalemate. If you are not as Passionate or Focused or Dedicated as brother Ted, at least dont set back and nit pick his efforts.

Seattleimport
May 19, 2011, 10:52 PM
I think if things were switched around and a musician threatened a republican president to "to suck on my machine gun" Fox news would be leading an uproar against them and asking why the secret service isn't getting involved. Instead, its business at usual at the bizzaro world of Faux News.

This actually happened. A (pro-community, anti-violence) rapper was invited to the White House to participate in a collective poetry reading. Fox went crazy. From a series of tirades about the rapper:

"He also does the usual rap stuff, touting guns and other anti-social behavior."--Bill O'Reilly

The very next day, Mike Huckabee invites Nugent onto his show to sing Cat Scratch Fever. Calls the guy a "friend" and "patriot."

Let me repeat that: Fox's commentator Huckabee calls draft-dodger Ted Nugent--who called the President of the United States "a piece of sh*t who can suck on my machine gun"--a patriot.

That is a sick, sick example for that honored word.

Anyway: Nugent may be on our side, but he's a braggart and a fool. He's the loudmouth gremlin that the antis can point to and laugh at. He does more harm than good.

Source/Clip:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-may-16-2011/the-not-running-man

RugerMcMarlin
May 19, 2011, 10:58 PM
Well thank god some of you get it. As for judging Ted on the seventies, I smoked a joint, streaked twice, drank alot of beer, and scratched 2 cars pretending to be a valet. Thats just what i'll admit to. Judge me! now what the hell does that got to do with social conscience or politics developed by anybody 40 years later.
FOCUS

cyclopsshooter
May 19, 2011, 10:59 PM
can we trade him for jon stewart?

One-Time
May 19, 2011, 11:17 PM
I was a hugh Nuge fan until he came out against open carry, so hes just another false pro gunner who like certain freedoms but not the rest etc

22-rimfire
May 19, 2011, 11:20 PM
As a public figure, Nugent says some pretty foolish stuff. But that is part of being Ted Nugent. I like the guy myself.

HGUNHNTR
May 19, 2011, 11:23 PM
HE WALKS THE WALK, AND HAS LOGGED MORE AIR TIME/PRIMETIME IN OUR BEHALF THAN ANYONE!

The reason he gets air time is because he makes a fool of himself, and a mockery of the second amendment. Do you honestly believe an effective gun rights advocate would get as much air time?

GojuBrian
May 19, 2011, 11:29 PM
That was great!!

Vyacheslav
May 19, 2011, 11:34 PM
some of you bumbling morons think that being a "draft dodger" is the worst crime in the world, i guess without these people to make fun of and going around claiming you fought for "freedom" every chance you get, you would have a pretty low self esteem.

just a little fyi, sorry to burst your delusional bubble, but the united states hasn't fought a war for freedom in over 150 years, your going to have to find something else to make yourselves feel good.

Tommygunn
May 20, 2011, 12:17 AM
sorry to burst your delusional bubble, but the united states hasn't fought a war for freedom in over 150 years, your going to have to find something else to make yourselves feel good.

We weren't fighting for freedom in WW2? :scrutiny:

Perhaps we should have let the Japanese and the Nazis have the world .....:eek:

It doesn't always have to be our freedom. Hell we won't even go to the voting booth for that anymore ......:mad:

cyclopsshooter
May 20, 2011, 12:23 AM
I so badly want to post right now but I know it wouldn't be very THR..

pass*

RugerMcMarlin
May 20, 2011, 12:33 AM
How is he making a mockery of the 2nd amendment? And why do you feel personally responsible for what he said, I didn' t vote for him and neither did you. He's using his 1st Amendment rights to voice his take of the 2nd, and I bet he'd be surprised at the idea that YOU think he represents you.

and I'll take any airtime Ted gets over NO Airtime.

Rock on! Ted

feedthehogs
May 20, 2011, 12:36 AM
He's certainly not part of the self grandized intellectual crowd that likes to pride itself on high school debate tactics to make a point.

Civility, facts and figures don't mean a thing to anyone who wants to take away 2nd amendment rights. If you believe it does then name one instance of a rabid anti gun politician who switched their position once presented with FBI crime stats.

I've been in this game for over 25 years presenting facts and figures even going as far as to debate John Shanks from the Brady Center on NPR after the assault weapons ban sunsetted on renewing it.

I presented every crime stat that the FBI put out that showed the AWB had no effect on crime what so ever and it didn't even make a dent with him.

People that know me know I'm not some drunken red neck gun owner shooting up street signs. Those that don't know me I could care the less about what they thought of me as a gun owner.

If gun owners maybe got just a little more louder and bolder, we'd be a little better off.

And yes I imagine if Ted were a poster here, he'd be scolded at every post but that goes with the reputation of the forum and it's moderators.

And yes the POTUS is a pos. You can respect the office, but that doesn't mean the person filling that office deserves the same.

RugerMcMarlin
May 20, 2011, 12:42 AM
Hey Brian whats GOJO DOG JUKER?

Neverwinter
May 20, 2011, 01:11 AM
The very next day, Mike Huckabee invites Nugent onto his show to sing Cat Scratch Fever. Calls the guy a "friend" and "patriot."

Let me repeat that: Fox's commentator Huckabee calls draft-dodger Ted Nugent--who called the President of the United States "a piece of sh*t who can suck on my machine gun"--a patriot.

That is a sick, sick example for that honored word.
An enormous amount of cognitive dissonance comes out from that network, so it doesn't surprise me that a commentator can hold that position.

How is he making a mockery of the 2nd amendment? And why do you feel personally responsible for what he said, I didn' t vote for him and neither did you. He's using his 1st Amendment rights to voice his take of the 2nd, and I bet he'd be surprised at the idea that YOU think he represents you.
We didn't vote for him to represent the 2nd amendment, but there he is on TV news doing so. It is completely valid for us to evaluate his presentation on behalf of the 2nd amendment as being more damaging than helpful.

Gordon_Freeman
May 20, 2011, 01:23 AM
I think Ted did a great job and makes some really good points. I'm glad he's on our side. It sounds like he could come out on top in any debate.

RugerMcMarlin
May 20, 2011, 01:40 AM
I'm gonna go look up "cognitive disonance" if you dont want people to understand you, just say so. While you were confabulating your retort, I went and read your rules and guidelines page. It explains alot more about this blog site than it says. I hope I haven't offended anyone,with rough language, or opinion, and I really appreciate the acronym glossary, I was about to start making my own. I'll try to do better.

thefamcnaj
May 20, 2011, 01:41 AM
Ted brought up a great point when he said that most anti gun people want to reject the fact that states crime is the highest in gun free zones, that alone should settle the argument. To disarm the american public would be catostropic a complete nightmare. I couldn't even imagine that. Not trying to be overly dramatic but, it would be like ww2 era Germany here.
So if someone happens to be on this thread that is not a : fugitive, felon, drug or alcohol abuser, and not mentally defective and does not own a gun, please go buy one and learn to shoot it.

MikeNice
May 20, 2011, 01:44 AM
I saw the video and I think he did fine. He was about on par with most of the self serving sactimonious talking heads out there. At least he was playing to our side.

ETA: I'm not saying he was any of those things. He just played the game the same way they do. He went down to the battle and fought on their terms.

The next minute and change of the interview. They talk Giffords and guns. (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/05/18/piers.ted.nugent.intv.cnn?iref=videosearch)

wow6599
May 20, 2011, 01:45 AM
+1 to uncle Teddy............

sig228
May 20, 2011, 01:46 AM
I was a big fan of his music back in the 70's. I'm a bigger fan now because of his passionate in-your-face 2A stance.

We need more people like Ted.

As to all this draft-dodger talk, so what. He basically admitted to it during his interview as immaturity for the age. He carries the guilt.

But....he's done more for our troops, veterans and wounded warriors than anyone I can think of.

He's a great spokesman for our Second Amendment rights.

DC3-CVN-72
May 20, 2011, 02:18 AM
Thanks ted, nuff said !! :)

MikeNice
May 20, 2011, 02:32 AM
Here we go with the full 7+ minute section on guns. Ted Actually comes across much better when it is all in context. I must admit though that the opening footage of his concert probably poisoned the well for most on the other side though.

Ted With Piers Morgan Talking Guns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rPpqtK2irk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)

12131
May 20, 2011, 02:46 AM
Originally posted by feedthehogs:

He's certainly not part of the self grandized intellectual crowd that likes to pride itself on high school debate tactics to make a point.

Civility, facts and figures don't mean a thing to anyone who wants to take away 2nd amendment rights. If you believe it does then name one instance of a rabid anti gun politician who switched their position once presented with FBI crime stats.

I've been in this game for over 25 years presenting facts and figures even going as far as to debate John Shanks from the Brady Center on NPR after the assault weapons ban sunsetted on renewing it.

I presented every crime stat that the FBI put out that showed the AWB had no effect on crime what so ever and it didn't even make a dent with him.

People that know me know I'm not some drunken red neck gun owner shooting up street signs. Those that don't know me I could care the less about what they thought of me as a gun owner.

If gun owners maybe got just a little more louder and bolder, we'd be a little better off.

And yes I imagine if Ted were a poster here, he'd be scolded at every post but that goes with the reputation of the forum and it's moderators.

And yes the POTUS is a pos. You can respect the office, but that doesn't mean the person filling that office deserves the same.
Well said, my friend.

MikeNice
May 20, 2011, 03:05 AM
feedthehogs
Civility, facts and figures don't mean a thing to anyone who wants to take away 2nd amendment rights. If you believe it does then name one instance of a rabid anti gun politician who switched their position once presented with FBI crime stats.


I am starting to agree with this. I was having a discussion with an anti-gunner today. When they started getting rocked on their heels by facts they pulled out, "what about the kids."

It started with "if parent's didn't have guns then Columbine would never have happened." I tried explaining to them that the guns and ammo were black market goods supplied by their friends not their parents. Their friends knew that these kids were dangerous and that they were stockpiling weapons. They failed to report what was going and decided to aid them. That didn't matter. They kept on about how if guns were outlawed then it wouldn't have happened. They completely ignored the fact that these kids were willing to break the law to aquire guns. A further ban would have done nothing to stop them.

Then it became emotional. "Well it just tore me up inside when I heard about this fifteen year old kid running around shooting up his school." After that no statistic or fact worked. The argument kept falling back to their emotional reaction to one news story. It didn't matter that more people have been killed at school by teachers, professors, and parents than underage students. They also didn't care that everything from an axe to dynamite had been used.

It became "well think about the kids" repeated at louder and louder volumes untill the discussion just ended. Sometimes we are going to have to respond in kind.

Pistol Ranch
May 20, 2011, 03:25 AM
Like it or not, Ted has the ability to get his message across, publicy.
For his detractors on this thread, you obviously do not.
I am not a fan of his music, but I like the message he brings.
To do it on CNN, exposes a lot of liberal anti-gunners to some common sense..something sorely lacking on that network..

P.R.

makarovnik
May 20, 2011, 04:11 AM
Ted was pretty tame in that interview compared to normal Ted.

He cranks out some good rock and roll but I still think he's an idiot.

M2MikeGolf
May 20, 2011, 04:45 AM
I think Ted Nugent is a guy that the hunting/shooting crowd can appreciate and ignore any of his "stranger" side. The show he ran (don't know if it's still on) for awhile about hunting was actually pretty good I thought.
However, I agree he's just not the guy to represent us hunters and sport shooters. Charleton Heston and Ronald Reagan are the kind of symbols we need, but remember, the media likes to portray things in their light, to make their point. What may look like objective reporting is rarely so, you can bet that Morgan and CNN chose Nugent purposely. There are lots of very responsible leaders in our country that could have done a spot like this demonstrating how to hunt, shoot and own firearms responsibly, and show that "normal" people that the anti-gun crowd comes into contact with are of reponsible gun owners too. The media, and CNN, love to manipulate the view of things, and know how to go to the source, and they like to draw you in like a friend if you are the interviewee. When I was in Iraq, CNN imbedded a team and one of their famous anchors to do a piece on our brigade. They convinced the brigade commander they would show the hard work and success that we had while there (2004-2005). The bit they did was contrary to what he was told and he was furious, justifiably so. Even CNN is willing to slant and even use a little misleading in order to make a story. Morgan also did a very slanted story on an NCO that I served with that was accused and convicted of executing insurgents, but the whole story wasn't told (imagine that).

In the end, the problem is that people who can represent and tell the story for something best are rarely interviewed, either because the media doesn't want them heard, or because they don't trust the media to represent their true position on a subject.

lizziedog1
May 20, 2011, 07:34 AM
Could you see a mild mannered well spoken pro-gun supporter

Sort of like our version of Michael Moore?

ultradoc
May 20, 2011, 08:53 AM
Ted for prez!

vaherder
May 20, 2011, 08:57 AM
Need to get over it. The draft during Vietnam War was not fair. I went to OCS in 1981 and did my 20+. If I was born 10 years earlier I am sure I would have used any method legal or possibly illegal to avoid the draft. Sorry if you didnt have this available to you or you didnt have flat feet. Any if you never saw real combat in Vietnam shut up.

As a junior officer I owe my life to quite a few Vietnam era chiefs who looked out for me on the teams.

Decisions you make as 18yo are quite different then ones you make as 40yo.

Ted may not be the perfect spokesperson for 2A but he is better then most and he gave Piers all he could handle and then some. Not Piers best moment. If you watch his body language at the beginning he thought he was superior to Ted and would send him down for the count. His body language changed quickly and he was on the defensive. Also remember Piers is getting help from his producers via his ear piece. Ted isnt. Kind of like your favorite high powered pass oriented team winning the SB 7-3 on a rushing TD.

Now be happy we have Ted. For a musician or Hollywood type he is reasonably articulate and can actually speak in sentences. Find me someone else with Ted's stature who is pro 2a who can do a better job who isnt a draft dodger. Tom Selleck would have had a more difficult time with Piers.

Ole Coot
May 20, 2011, 09:09 AM
Don't like his music but I must agree with the song he was singing. I was drafted in '64 and didn't think much about protesting it, guess I am a "dumb redneck" as I have been called before. The man tells it like he sees it and comes down to his strong support of the 2nd amendment in sometimes ways I don't agree with. Maybe today one needs to be loud and brash to be heard, evident by current events.

Hunt480
May 20, 2011, 09:31 AM
I guess we are just a majarity of uneducated redneck idiots because we like Ted, we are just not smart enough to know any better. A little sayin in the south goes something like this, " more power to you Ted"!!!

Double Naught Spy
May 20, 2011, 09:35 AM
I find it interesting that so many pro-gun people think Ted Nugent presents a positive image of gun owners. HGUNHNTR is right in that Nugent is a turn off to fence sitters and anti-guy people and that Nugent comes across as a jerk.

It is like the pro-gun folks are just so excited that somebody famous would share the same view that they can see any of the reality of the associated baggage that comes with that person. Look at all the posts here about how excited people were that Sarah Palin was going to given John McCain the Presidency because she was pretty and pro-gun. So many people could not see beyond the lipstick and images of Palin (mis)handling guns to see that she was such a poor choice and would do absolutely nothing to draw in votes. All the Republicans who loved her so much were already voting for the ticket anyway.

Nugent may sound cool if you are a hard core pro-gun person, but that doesn't mean he presents a positive image to those that we need to convert to our cause.

Gotta love uncle Ted, thats one Yankee that speaks the truth.

A draft dodging poacher that lies is a person you categories as "speaks the truth"??
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=539337&highlight=nugent
What do you do with a guy who talks about hunting ethics and gets caught poaching?

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=567667&highlight=nugent post#18
Why does a guy need to make up bogus information to make gun owners look better?

Also see post #21 there on why the Constitution really isn't Ted Nugent's carry permit as he claims.

green5594
May 20, 2011, 09:44 AM
Frankly we need rock stars on our side.

The more "alpha" types we have advocating for us the better.

Read roissy.wordpress.com for a better idea of what I'm getting at.

Penn/teller and Ted Nugent are some of the best advocates we have.

Playing on emotions and making the other side look pathetic and weak is how to win.

Look at how effective that episode of Bull***** was...

MagnumDweeb
May 20, 2011, 10:27 AM
Frankly it takes all types and we need all types. It was great when we had Lou Dobbs on the air backing us but CNN shut down his show and he doesn't get the air time he should. Frankly I'd rather watch Lou Dobbs than O'Reily any day of the week(seriuosly why does anyone like O'Reily). We've got Glenn Beck from time to time but now he's on the Muslim vs. Israel thing which some may think is important or not. Yes we have the NRA but how often do they hit the mainstream televised media.

So Ted is a loudmouth, a bit of <expletive deleted>, and has a dirty past. He's on our side. He can shout down the weak, useless, dangerous anti-2nd Amendment minority in this country. The antis got where they are at and where we are at by being the loudest, being the most aggressive, and being prepared to lie and paint pro-2nd Amendment folks as murderers and criminals while said gun owners abided by the law everyday, went to church, held down a full time job, and sent their kids to college.

So should some of us play nice, play civil, and play fair, absolutely. But I'll play dirty plenty. I'll look at the pathetic worthless antis who only have platforms because of their television stations in New York and other media platforms in California. If major televison and media stations were in say Vermont, Georgia, or New Hampshire then the tone would be a heck of a lot differet. But these (New York and California) self-aggrandizing states that some feel are uber important to the social critique of the nation are where the major media outlets are so for the time being we have to play on their terms.

Now yes we have the internet and the internet is swiftly putting an end to the mainstream media and making newspapers irrelevant(read "Rise of the Anti-Media), but if loud mouths like Ted can get on CNN and make them look like the sniveling little punks they are then all the better. The fence sitters won't jump one way or the other because of Ted, the antis might be "emboldened" to hold fast and piss themselves a little(because again we are better off without them), and Pro-2nd Amendment crowd will hold fast.

We meet the antis where they step, we shout them down where they speak, we abide by the law, we insult them, we point out how worhtless and dangerous they are. We don't back down, we don't play nice(all the time), and we don't care what they have to say, we should speak louder and more aggressive than them at evey point. Look at the new oncoming generation of young men and women. They've got that MMA nonsense, but they are looking to be men again. Looking to get into the gym and pump their muscles. And guess what more of them are getting into gun ownership. I know this because I'm an NRA Certified Pistol instructor and have taken a good sum of guys from my gym to the range and we talk about guns at the gym quite regularly.

On the end note, I love Ted. I hope he stays as loud and aggressive as he is, and maybe he should get his own show on SPIKE.

trav
May 20, 2011, 10:55 AM
I think Ted Nugent is an obnoxious loudmouth. He typifies extremism in the press, that turns people who dont care one way or the other, against the case he argues for. He is a less (thank god) publicized version of the rest of the idiot talking heads ala Al Franken, Michael Moore, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Keith Olbermann, etc etc. I consider myself an independent minded, apolitical individual... best classified as a moderate-conservative... "Suck my machine gun" is juvenile... It makes pro gun people say "stick it to them Ted", it makes antigun people say "This idiot is who the gun lobby wants representing their cause" and makes people who dont give a **** say "why would I want to back a cause who has this clown as a spokesperson?"

Hunt480
May 20, 2011, 11:01 AM
I find it interesting that so many pro-gun people think Ted Nugent presents a positive image of gun owners. HGUNHNTR is right in that Nugent is a turn off to fence sitters and anti-guy people and that Nugent comes across as a jerk.

It is like the pro-gun folks are just so excited that somebody famous would share the same view that they can see any of the reality of the associated baggage that comes with that person. Look at all the posts here about how excited people were that Sarah Palin was going to given John McCain the Presidency because she was pretty and pro-gun. So many people could not see beyond the lipstick and images of Palin (mis)handling guns to see that she was such a poor choice and would do absolutely nothing to draw in votes. All the Republicans who loved her so much were already voting for the ticket anyway.

Nugent may sound cool if you are a hard core pro-gun person, but that doesn't mean he presents a positive image to those that we need to convert to our cause.


Quote:
Gotta love uncle Ted, thats one Yankee that speaks the truth.

A draft dodging poacher that lies is a person you categories as "speaks the truth"??
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...ghlight=nugent
What do you do with a guy who talks about hunting ethics and gets caught poaching

When are you going on CNN so we can watch? Who else it saying this on CNN or any network for that matter? He is speaking the truth here in 2011,

Overkilll0084
May 20, 2011, 11:12 AM
Perhaps all of the hate and discontent can be saved for those that actually hate us. Allies in wars tend to be less than perfect, live with it. Is Ted the ideal ally, no. Would you prefer he was the enemy? I hope not. Everyone's idea of the ideal pro gun position is going to have differences. I'm sure that no one has ever met any other gun owner who pissed you off with their lack of clarity on this issue...

Neverwinter
May 20, 2011, 11:17 AM
I'm gonna go look up "cognitive disonance" if you dont want people to understand you, just say so. While you were confabulating your retort, I went and read your rules and guidelines page. It explains alot more about this blog site than it says. I hope I haven't offended anyone,with rough language, or opinion, and I really appreciate the acronym glossary, I was about to start making my own. I'll try to do better.
Sorry for the assumption about vocabulary. That phrase would be easier to understand for someone exposed to music. Consonance is a stable sound, and dissonance is an unstable sound. Combined with cognitive, it describes a series of opinions/beliefs which are inconsistent or even contradictory.

Also, look up the definition of confabulating. That word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

When are you going on CNN so we can watch? Who else it saying this on CNN or any network for that matter? He is speaking the truth here in 2011,
That is as irrelevant as the art defender who asks critics when they are going to make something better. If someone has criticism regarding a movie, is it only acceptable if the critic has made a movie themselves?

HGUNHNTR
May 20, 2011, 11:24 AM
To do it on CNN, exposes a lot of liberal anti-gunners to some common sense..something sorely lacking on that network

Oh boy, what it does is expose the radical side of gun ownership to the general public, against the backdrop of a civil, respectable acting journalist. This was not a bone that CNN threw to the Gun rights crowd as some think, but rather an opportunity to compare and contrast a "gun nut" to an ordinary citizen. If I were an anti gun rights person, and I owned a media outlet I would invite Ted to interview with my reporters on a daily basis.

Carl N. Brown
May 20, 2011, 11:39 AM
With Ted Nugent you know what you are getting and some admittedly not gun enthusiasts (Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations) appreciate his blunt outspoken honesty. They believe that he believes what he says, and that actually impresses some people. Especially those who run on feelings rather than facts.

MikeNice
May 20, 2011, 11:47 AM
Look we have to stop beating up our friends. The NRA was using Chuck Norris to push issues and people got upset. They did a commercial sith Chuck that was rather comedic and a lot of us (myself included) hit the roof.

Now Ted Nugent goes on CNN and people crucify him for not being a perfect represenitive. I tell you what. When you find the perfect person to represent us let me know. In the mean time I'm going to support the home team and be happy that somebody is on our side.

At least Ted has been doing it consistently for nearly three decades. Just look up Ted Nugent David Letterman on Youtube. He debated letterman about guns in the early 1980s. He might have a questionable past, he might be loud and obnoxious. However, he is consistent and he isn't scared to put his view out there.

Take what you can get and keep winning the little battles everyday.

MikeNice
May 20, 2011, 11:52 AM
Oh boy, what it does is expose the radical side of gun ownership to the general public, against the backdrop of a civil, respectable acting journalist.

To be honest this is the same network that has brought on Roseanne Barr to back up Anderson Cooper a few times. I think it is more of a ratings ploy than a shot at any anti-gun agenda.

Ted's people probably called up looking for a way to promote his book. CNN producers thought "we have this new show that is struggling a bit. If we put Ted Nugent on there the personality differences could be explosive. It might even become viral." Plus they new it would bring in a more conservative demographic than they usually atract and that would boost ratings. That in turn would result in higher add revenue.

I think sometimes we RKBA guys look for the conspiracy a little too hard.

RugerMcMarlin
May 20, 2011, 06:17 PM
I'm starting to think you guys really don't like Ted Nugent. For a bunch of guys that advocate a calm, classy and rational approach, it sounds a little like some vile ,vindictive, emotional based rhetoric has crept in.

Hunt480
May 20, 2011, 06:25 PM
Originally Posted by RugerMcMarlin

I'm gonna go look up "cognitive disonance" if you dont want people to understand you, just say so. While you were confabulating your retort, I went and read your rules and guidelines page. It explains alot more about this blog site than it says. I hope I haven't offended anyone,with rough language, or opinion, and I really appreciate the acronym glossary, I was about to start making my own. I'll try to do better.

Sorry for the assumption about vocabulary. That phrase would be easier to understand for someone exposed to music. Consonance is a stable sound, and dissonance is an unstable sound. Combined with cognitive, it describes a series of opinions/beliefs which are inconsistent or even contradictory.

Also, look up the definition of confabulating. That word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

Originally Posted by Hunt480

When are you going on CNN so we can watch? Who else it saying this on CNN or any network for that matter? He is speaking the truth here in 2011,

That is as irrelevant as the art defender who asks critics when they are going to make something better. If someone has criticism regarding a movie, is it only acceptable if the critic has made a movie themselves?



There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

Neverwinter
I don't think we need english lessons here at least I think I'm beyond that at my age. Maybe all of us irrelevant thinking people will see you on CNN as a speech writer for Ted so he don't offend all the pansies.

Double Naught Spy
May 20, 2011, 06:30 PM
Perhaps all of the hate and discontent can be saved for those that actually hate us.

Apparently, you don't know who the enemy is, do you? Your enemy aren't those that support gun control, according to Ted Nugent. He says those folks are a joke. He says your enemy are folks like me, gun owners who support the 2A, vote, etc. etc. etc. but that who are not members of the NRA. If you aren't in the NRA, you are Ted's enemy.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/3138775.html

Yep, old Ted believes what he says, even if it isn't factually correct.

RugerMcMarlin
May 20, 2011, 06:32 PM
Neverwinter, You mean I've been defending Ted Nugent and his 1A rights to a music teacher? Savor the irony of that!

and I've been called a racist and childish, (in a PM, yup my first) and its not even 5pm yet.

IT'S GONNA BE A GOOD DAY, TATER

tchall
May 20, 2011, 06:46 PM
The Nuge was pretty reasonable in this interview... and a lot more respectful toward the host than the average anti demonstrating against legal ownership...

To them we're worse than murderers since we not only won't agree that they're right, but bring up facts, figures, and evidence to support our views... AND we're willing to take the life of an Orc trying to take ours..

Nugent is pretty raw, but he has his facts straight, and owned the discussion by facts instead of bluster...

Gun owners tend to be more disciplined people, and usually leave the rudeness to the antis...

Maybe it's time to do as Ted Nugent does... Get back into their faces, be as rude and loud as they are and get people interested in the facts by making enough noise that it attracts their attention...

In case anyone didn't notice, being reasonable and polite hasn't influenced the anti-gun crowd a bit... They just keep working against the Second Amendment day and night. Tirelessly taking advantage of every convenient crisis, news report, and crime committed by those already committing a felony just holding the firearms they use...

The worst problem any conservative faces on issues is that a Great Story will get more traction than boring old facts...

Maybe more Nugent like outrage on the part of the rest of us WOULD make a difference!!!

Joe Demko
May 20, 2011, 07:39 PM
I've been reprimanded over this here before, but I'll say it again. That chickenhawk is no uncle of mine and I wouldn't void my bladder on him if he was on fire.

ArfinGreebly
May 20, 2011, 08:30 PM
Guess we've run out of civility.

Shouldn't complain, though, we got into page five.

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