the BP mouseguns club.


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Busyhands94
May 20, 2011, 09:04 PM
hello folks! i have decided to start this club because nobody else has. if you have a small blackpowder pistol (even a .50 caliber muff pistol or something ridiculous) then post a picture and you're in the club! these guns can be anything, from a Remington Rider Derringer to a 1863 pocket Remmy. as long as it is meant to be pocket sized runs off of black powder. I'll post my two NAA mini BP revolvers soon, i need to find a good working camera. I'll start, here is my Remington Rider.
http://s1178.photobucket.com/albums/x372/busyhands94/?action=view&current=riderderringer.jpg

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Captain*kirk
May 21, 2011, 03:31 PM
Can I be the first to join?
I have my very own Mouse-Killer now!
http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy140/Buellosaurusrex/Smokepoles/BabyDragoon2.jpg

Busyhands94
May 21, 2011, 03:46 PM
ok, you can join! seeing that that has a short barrel and is pocket sized you are now a member!

Captain*kirk
May 21, 2011, 03:52 PM
It looks bigger in the photo than it is. It's a five-shot .31 cal Baby Dragoon. Here's a pic of me holding it:

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy140/Buellosaurusrex/Smokepoles/BabyDragoon.jpg

...and one of it next to my Second Dragoon.

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy140/Buellosaurusrex/Smokepoles/PairofDragoons.jpg

BHP FAN
May 21, 2011, 04:59 PM
Saweet!Here's mine...

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af11/hut-man/gunbox2.jpg

Busyhands94
May 21, 2011, 06:54 PM
cool! you are in too!

pohill
May 21, 2011, 07:23 PM
1st: ASTC HERO.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/pohill/IMG_0032.jpg

2nd (under the Walker). 2mm Pinfire (I'm looking for a conversion cylinder)
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/pohill/DSCF3115.jpg

Busyhands94
May 21, 2011, 08:13 PM
cool! your in too!

ofitg
May 21, 2011, 08:56 PM
I like mouseguns...

robhof
May 21, 2011, 09:13 PM
I wanna play too: The largest is the 31 cal ASM and the purple one is actually a 22 b/p blank pistol, the single missing the trigger guard is a real antique in 36, that actually shoots.142583

Berkley
May 21, 2011, 10:05 PM
if you have a small blackpowder pistol (even a .50 caliber muff pistol or something ridiculous) then post a picture and you're in the club!
Only .48 caliber, but good for a fairly large mouse - as long as he's pretty close.;)
http://i56.tinypic.com/29e6ruh.jpg

Ghost Dog
May 22, 2011, 09:32 AM
Just got the .31 in so I'll post it here, gives me a chance to see how the phone takes pics. When I Purchased this I was told that Pietta will no longer be making these in the brass frame, but will continue to make the pocket in a steel frame.

Enjoy, G D

ofitg
May 22, 2011, 10:03 AM
Only .48 caliber, but good for a fairly large mouse - as long as he's pretty close.



Berkley, that's a beautiful flintlock you have there.

Loyalist Arms used to sell a repro which was similar, but it's doubtful that they will ever have it in stock again -

http://www.loyalistarms.freeservers.com/pocketpistolmid18c.html

:banghead:

BHP FAN
May 22, 2011, 01:42 PM
I'm lovein' this thread!

Busyhands94
May 22, 2011, 03:06 PM
that flintlock derringer is cool Berkley! what is the thing behind the hammer that looks kinda like a barrel selector?

mkay, so far our members are:

Captain*kirk
BPH FAN
pohill
ofitg
robhof
Ghost Dog

this is awesome! thanks for joining the club everybody!

Busyhands94
May 22, 2011, 03:09 PM
Robhof i see you have an NAA super companion! me too! where did you find those awesome white mini master grips?

Berkley
May 22, 2011, 04:20 PM
what is the thing behind the hammer that looks kinda like a barrel selector?

Sliding safety. Also a breech loader. High tech stuff for the time.
http://i53.tinypic.com/o8wk5l.jpg
While I had the camera out, I took a pic of another mousegun:
http://i54.tinypic.com/2rcmpi1.jpg

MCgunner
May 22, 2011, 05:23 PM
http://i46.tinypic.com/jpy5xu.jpg

Also have a .31 Remmy brasser, but no pic at this time.

Fingers McGee
May 22, 2011, 07:50 PM
Count me in:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/fingersmcgee/Derringers.jpg

and a couple closeups

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/fingersmcgee/100_0973.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/fingersmcgee/100_0947.jpg

robhof
May 22, 2011, 09:00 PM
The grips on my NAA were from Ebay. Fingers-that last pic looks like a double version of my single 36. Any info on yours as to maker and does the trigger guard double as a return trigger spring? My trigger doesn't return and there's no place for a spring in the lockworks, but the back of the trigger has a rub area and the guard was missing so I haven't a clue.

BHP FAN
May 22, 2011, 09:59 PM
more...

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af11/hut-man/mouseguns.jpg

Fingers McGee
May 22, 2011, 11:43 PM
Fingers-that last pic looks like a double version of my single 36. Any info on yours as to maker and does the trigger guard double as a return trigger spring? My trigger doesn't return and there's no place for a spring in the lockworks, but the back of the trigger has a rub area and the guard was missing so I haven't a clue.

It is an Ethan Allen side by side pistol made by Hoppes back in the 90s(?) - leastways, that's when I got it. It has a small stamped steel spring in it that fits between the front of the trigger and the frame.

chute2thrill
April 5, 2012, 10:55 PM
Here's my super companion next to my 5 1/2 1858.

driver243
April 6, 2012, 01:15 AM
Does this qualify?

BHP FAN
April 6, 2012, 03:38 AM
Looks good to me!

Curator
April 6, 2012, 10:12 AM
These were made by my grandfather's great-grandfather's shop. He called them "muff-pistols."
http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx80/Dsouthall2/SouthallBoxLocks.jpg
http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx80/Dsouthall2/SouthallFlintlock-1.jpg
http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx80/Dsouthall2/IMG_2893-1.jpg

Busyhands94
April 6, 2012, 03:13 PM
What caliber are those muff pistols? I once saw this auction show on the history channel where they had a muff pistol similar to the one you have except it was .50 caliber, That's kinda dastardly but cool! I don't quite remember the name of the show, but it was really interesting.

Levi

Busyhands94
April 6, 2012, 03:34 PM
On the subject of BP mouseguns, I've been thinking about getting some of those Gamo high-velocity pellets to shoot with my NAA mini revolvers. Lead ones tend to deform under the pressure of the burning powder, but these pellets are harder and lead free. http://www.airgundepot.com/gamo-raptor-22-pellets.html

I've shot some vintage Benjamin High-compression .22 pellets out of my NAA before, they give this ballistic crack similar to my rimfire guns! I think they are going hypersonic! I'd imagine one of the lead free pellets behind 7 grains of Triple Seven would be getting some pretty smokin' velocities, although I'm not sure if it would mess up the bore. I am going to swap out my current barrel for a 5 1/2 inch barrel, so I might give it a try before I do the swap.

Then there's those Skenco pellets, they have a plastic jacket and a steel penetrator. I've shot those from an airgun before, they penetrate and keep going after they shed the plastic jacket. http://www.google.com/products/catalog?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&q=skenco+pellets&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=8182974873838864032&sa=X&ei=2UR_T5TSH7KMigK955X7Ag&ved=0CEsQ8wIwAQ

Levi

Curator
April 6, 2012, 04:12 PM
The two percussion screw-barrel guns and the flintlock box lock are all .41 caliber. The flintlock "greatcoat" pistol is .50.

sltm1
April 6, 2012, 05:48 PM
Here's my mouse guns and my (4" bbl) mouse cannon.
http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss205/sltm1/MouseGuns.jpg
http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss205/sltm1/CannonDone.jpg

kBob
April 6, 2012, 08:10 PM
sltm1,

Suddenly the phrase "I hold in my hand the key to a door you do not wish to open" comes to mind.

Neat stuff and nice to see the Son of the Avenging Angel again.

-kBob

kBob
April 6, 2012, 08:24 PM
Curator,

Neat guns, thanks for posting them. I am trying to recall the last time I saw a lady using a muff here in Florida. If they did though those would be cuties.

I seem to recall my sister had a white fur one (no nasty comments) when we lived way up north by the Georgia and Alabama boarders about 1962.Often seemed like a better idea than gloves for somethings, like sitting a deer stand and wanting to keep a hand bare for shooting. I rather imagine there would have been comments if I had sat a stand with a white furry purse like thing in my lap to keep my hands warm.

Those folding triggers and safeties are very interesting

-kBob

sltm1
April 7, 2012, 08:25 PM
Here's my "new" S&W Model 3 1 1/2 32 CF (approx 1878 by the serial #. So far I've shortened the bbl to 1 3/4 inches, re-slotted the top strap and re-pined the original front site back on (yeah, like that was necessary LOL), played with the bolt, ratchet and cylinder slots to get the timing back on point, semi-recrowned the barrel and started removing some of the "crackle-finish" nicklel. Finally, I put on some cold bluing so I could identify where the remaining plating was hanging out.
http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss205/sltm1/SnubbieSW.jpg

Skinny 1950
April 7, 2012, 10:55 PM
Here are a couple of my small guns..1849 Pocket Colt .31 cal 5 inch barrel and a Belgian Boot Pistol .44 cal.

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af11/Skinny1950/1849PocketmoldandGun001.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af11/Skinny1950/RangeJan82011004.jpg

Busyhands94
April 7, 2012, 11:52 PM
Very nice! Is that an original Colt mold? I like it!

Skinny 1950
April 8, 2012, 01:23 AM
Yes it is an original mold but I had it engraved as the patent stamp was totally gone.

Busyhands94
April 8, 2012, 12:20 PM
I think it might be a Remington mold though, not a Colt mold. I have a mold for my Remington just like that except it's made of brass. I got it at a garage sale for $5 bucks! What a steal!

TomADC
April 8, 2012, 01:29 PM
My Uberti 1862 Colt Pocket Police, nice little 5 shot .36 cal.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL174/1021972/3058943/400976714.jpg

Busyhands94
April 8, 2012, 04:49 PM
Very nice! Okay, so far everyone who posted a picture of their mousegun is in! I figure I should post one of my favorites, I don't know if this counts as a mousegun but it's small and shoots with blackpowder. One of my favorite toys, I'm sure we've all played with something like this at one point or another.

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x372/busyhands94/IMAG0003-1.jpg

chute2thrill
April 9, 2012, 12:03 AM
sltm1, you make me extremely sad, taking pictures of mini Schofields, and showing them off. I want one soooooooo bad!! I have no idea why NAA didn't keep making that version! Break top revolvers, I want all of them!

Busyhands94
April 9, 2012, 12:54 AM
I don't get why they don't just put them into production, I'd buy one but I'm 18 and live in California, I'd have better chances at winning the lottery. The craftsmanship on north American Arms revolvers is top notch, I bet they put the same quality into the break tops as the other mini revolvers. Swiss watch quality, the kind of gun that is finished as well on the inside as the outside. I routinely disassemble my Super Companion for cleaning, I can tell you the machining on the internal parts is absolutely fantastic!

Levi

sltm1
April 9, 2012, 11:00 AM
chute2thrill, they come up all the time on GB, alot $300 and less, then some spendy ones also...yes, they are sweet!!

Indy4570
April 9, 2012, 12:10 PM
does thisun get me in?

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/279968000/279968129/pix365286127.jpg

Busyhands94
April 9, 2012, 01:54 PM
Of course! As long as you can conceal it!

chute2thrill
April 9, 2012, 11:50 PM
I dont get why they didnt get put into mainstream production either. I would definatly buy one, and sltm1 I'm definatly gonna scan GB for one.. I really want an one and an Uberti style Schofield, but I dont have the extra $800 for the big boy. And haha Indy4570, is that an 8 inch barrel? Unless you're 12 feet tall I'm not so sure thats a mousegun :)

Busyhands94
April 10, 2012, 12:18 AM
If you can hide it in your trousers then I'd say you are good to go. Then again, I hid my New Model Army down my trousers once. I wanted a gun on my hip but to get to the fishing hole I have to walk over to my neighbor's place, she has a great little trail we cut through the blackberry brambles that goes to the fishing hole but the only downside is I've got to walk about a hundred feet past our... well, leftish neighbors. Last thing I want is trouble.

Levi

Majes
April 11, 2012, 01:55 PM
Does a BP cartridge mouse gun count ?

http://s14.postimage.org/mqytto1wx/DSC04418.jpg

An 1884 / 1886 Iver Johnson American Bulldog chambered for 32 S&W, 32 M&H, or 32 H&R. Not the new H&R Magnum but the original BP cartridge.

Still shoots great, just goes pop instead of boom :)

kBob
July 5, 2012, 03:25 PM
Well everybody should have one! But keep it under your hat.

-kBob

Whoops it dropped it!

kBob
July 5, 2012, 03:28 PM
Here's your sign....

they said to me.

-kBob

kBob
July 5, 2012, 03:31 PM
and since I had asked for a comparison of the 1863 and the Ruger Bearcat.....

I was suprised that the 1863 was actually smaller. The kids love it.

-kBob

kBob
July 5, 2012, 03:57 PM
Since folks seem to like the hinged wonders.

Forehand & Wadsworth .32 S&W six shot
"Eagle" .38 S&W five shot
I forgot and already let it get away .32S&W five shot

These guns were the guns Linda E. Evans played with for reaserch in her Time Scout Series from Baen Books with RObert Asprin a decade ago. SHe fired a couple of wax bullet loads in the little five shot to get a feel for their use.

WHen I was about 22 or so a gunsmith friend offered me as many from a large file draw that was full as I wanted, as long as I promised not to shoot them. These things had an awful rep before the CASS crowd started paying rediculous amonts for them , loading them with BP loads and shooting them in side matches.

-kBob

kBob
July 5, 2012, 04:02 PM
The new kid on the block, still have not shot it.....

No name PF(?) marked Italian proofed brasser .31 1849 Colt Repro Chistened Kinder Klunker in a photo I call Klunker und Sohne.

I do like that both lack the pietta trumpet grip and both have a bit more curl on the hammers than others on the market today I think. It has the stage coach scene but the banners are blank an

kBob
July 5, 2012, 04:44 PM
I just had to have a pepperbox and what I got was this. Not a very good example. Terrible trigger pull and it is "double action sort of" Pulling tyhe trigger cocks and releases the hammer, unfortunately the barrels must be roatated by hand.

Still I can say I have played with one though as I have not found .345 ball locally I have yet to fire it. I may take a page from Busyhands and load it with shot one day...unless I find someone that wants it more than me first.

Front end does make a statement though, eh?

-kBob

kBob
July 5, 2012, 04:48 PM
and who in the 1970's did not consider wasting money on an "Ace"?

The finished one is actually rifled and the tinkered with half finished kit is a smooth bore. I tossed the ram road and rings on both as useless and in the way and have yet to come up with a satisfactory way to fill the dovetails.

The wooden box is a Penzey's Spice gift box I have dreams of turning into a two story presentation box.

-kBob

Jaymo
July 7, 2012, 09:10 PM
http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz64/fortj3/62popo.jpg


Here's one of mine. It's my 1862 Pocket Popo, by Uberti. Imported and sold by Cimarron. I looked at a similar one (but with the 5.5" barrel) at an LGS and it was nowhere near as smooth (action) as mine. The one in the LGS was not Cimarron.

My other poodle-shooter is a Palmetto 1863 Remington pocket .31.
Don't have pics of it, yet.

To be so small, the pocket police feels really good in my big, meaty claws.

Busyhands94
July 7, 2012, 09:42 PM
Very cool Jaymo! Does she shoot as good as she looks?

Jaymo
July 8, 2012, 02:12 PM
She pops caps reliably. Haven't had the chance to take her out and shoot her yet. I need to order some more balls, so I can shoot her and my Pietta 51 navy .36.
My Ruger Blackhawk .44 Special has distracted me from BP shooting lately.

Foto Joe
July 22, 2012, 10:53 AM
Arcticap suggested that this beastie qualified for membership in the Mouse Gun Club. I don't really have a mouse problem where I'm camped right now but the property owner has told me that the season is fully open on any marmot that is dumb enough to get within range. I still haven't put one of those 45 Colt Gallery Loads through it but I'm hoping to get 'er dirty next weekend time permitting.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=168621&d=1342886182

sltm1
July 22, 2012, 10:33 PM
My nw mouse gun display. The teeny one is a 2mm pin fire ( my very 1st gun some 50+ years ago), and the larger is a Manhattan "Hero" in 36 cal.

pohill
July 22, 2012, 11:13 PM
Newly acquired James Warner .28 Pocket Model.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/pohill/DSCF3899.jpg

kBob
July 23, 2012, 07:03 AM
pohill,

That is neat! Thanks for posting it. Can we possibly get some history and data and more pics?

-kBob

kBob
July 23, 2012, 07:18 AM
sltm1,

Was the hero produced before the Civil War? They beat the more moderm Classic Arms Ace for somplicity and that is elegant in a way. I had often wondered what the Dixie brass framed "derringer" was based on and now it becomes appearent. I find myself tempted to borrow a friend's letter stamps and stamp the area next to where the barrel screws on to one of the Aces "Zero"

I meantioned on another thread a museum that used to be in St. Augustine Florida yeasterday. One of the things displayed there was a 2mm pinfire much liked the stamped blank pistols that included lead bulleted ammunition. Appearently they were sold in the 1800's as a serious defensive gun specifically for women on the theory that when it was really needed if could be placed in the attackers ear. It was displayed if I remember correctly with a much more threatening lady's hat pin.

Neat display and I like the corner covers.

-kBob

Busyhands94
July 23, 2012, 03:10 PM
Very interesting stuff! I've got one of those 2mm pinfire break action pistols, they are fun to play with! :D I also have another pipsqueak pistol, you load it with a cap and a single birdshot down the muzzle. I guess it would count as a muzzleloading mousegun, that thing is tiny!

Last week I was camping with my cousin, we shot some BP mouseguns. It was her first time shooting a cap and ball revolver, it was my Super Companion loaded with Triple Seven. She was aiming for a big piece of scrap steel about 20 feet away, she nailed it dead on about 4 times. :) Of course she thought the NAA was the cutest little revolver that she'd ever seen. Haha!

pohill
July 23, 2012, 03:59 PM
According to Flaydermans, Warner produced "a few hundred" pocket models in .28 caliber, and over 9000 in .31 caliber. Here's a case where a gun is pretty rare but not very valuable.
The internals are interesting:
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/pohill/DSCF3919-1.jpg

Here's a before cleaning pic (a good example of why some antiques should be cleaned, especially the internals). I also replaced the hand spring.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/pohill/DSCF3907-1.jpg

kBob
July 23, 2012, 04:18 PM
Pohill,

Thanks for the response. That is neat. I did a quick search and noticed the percussion guns all seem to have those nurled bands on the cylinders. One auction house had a gun in a period presentation case and another had one with ivory gripos with a dragon on one side.

Appearently there was later a .32 rimfire model ( and the seller claimed his was made in about 1859 and I wonder what Rollin White and S&W had to say about that)

Wow that internal arrangement looks crowded and complex, must have been real fun cleaning it up and repairing it.

Several adds gave dates of manufacture of 1856 0r 1857 until 1869 for the type.

Always nice to learn something and see something new to me.

Thanks again.

-kBob

sltm1
July 23, 2012, 07:00 PM
kBob, the Hero came out on approx 1868, one of the last guns made by The Manhattan Co. Later it was Produced byt American Steel & Tool (AST), who bought the company and was so marked instead of Hero. These were the poor mans deringer, so much so that the grip screw is just that, no threaded escucheons, just a wood screw!!

dober83
July 25, 2012, 10:59 PM
Can I play?

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s720x720/537678_462204467128372_1878691814_n.jpg

MCgunner
July 25, 2012, 11:41 PM
http://i46.tinypic.com/jpy5xu.jpg

I don't have a pic of my .31 Remmy hosted at this time. Right now, I'm wanting a BP Earl. :D

Mauser lover
July 26, 2012, 01:28 AM
Can I join?

The J frame is just for scale, I took a picture at my FFL. I know it isn't really a traditional black powder pistol, meaning cap and ball, or flintlock, or etc, but it certainly isn't exactly a modern smokeless arm.

kBob
July 26, 2012, 08:11 AM
Mauser Lover,

That reminds me I need to make a pitcher of Lemonade for the kids this morning.

In case you can't tell from my post up stream I like top breaks to look at. They were the everyman (and woman) gun in the period close to 1900 by 20 years in either direction.

Safety revolvers with the grip safety were the top of the line as it were for the top breaks in a lot of folks minds. I have only a "Wish Ida" in a like new blued one I did not buy some years ago.

Thanks for posting this one and thanks for the effort of posting the veiw with the action open.

-kBob

Busyhands94
July 26, 2012, 10:16 AM
Yes you guys can join, those are some sweet guns. I like that little break top, as long as it makes smoke and is small you can join!

I've kinda been hankerin' for a 63' Remmy myself actually. I got a cylinder for one at a garage sale, now I just need a pistol to go along with it. Judging from the size of the cylinder I have this should be one neat little cap and ball pocket rocket. It looks like I could use the loading tool for my NAA to load the cylinder.

~Levi

Mauser lover
July 26, 2012, 11:18 AM
It probably has made smoke before, but I haven't made any smoke with it. Probably will soon, still deciding whether or not to sell it as is, or fix it up and keep it. (Needs timing job, necessary, and plating or bluing job, not necessary)

The only thing that makes it longer than that J frame snubby, is that I have an inch longer barrel than that J frame. Other than that, it is smaller than a J frame, so yes, it is small.

Lemonade?

Clermont
July 26, 2012, 03:50 PM
hello folks! i have decided to start this club because nobody else has. if you have a small blackpowder pistol (even a .50 caliber muff pistol or something ridiculous) then post a picture and you're in the club! these guns can be anything, from a Remington Rider Derringer to a 1863 pocket Remmy. as long as it is meant to be pocket sized runs off of black powder. I'll post my two NAA mini BP revolvers soon, i need to find a good working camera. I'll start, here is my Remington Rider.
http://s1178.photobucket.com/albums/x372/busyhands94/?action=view&current=riderderringer.jpg

The picture of your Pedersoli reproduction Remington Rider derringer includes a tin of 4.5mm(.177 cal.) pellets. The Pedersoli reproduction is chambered for 4.3mm(.17 cal.) balls. Is your Pedersoli Remington Rider derringer capable of firing the larger caliber pellet?

Busyhands94
July 26, 2012, 04:04 PM
I re-size the pellets, you just roll them between a block of wood and something hard.

Clermont
July 26, 2012, 04:14 PM
These are just two of my mini black powder pistols.
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo11/Clermontny/NorthAmericanArms.jpg

Busyhands94
July 26, 2012, 04:27 PM
Very nice set of pistols!

kBob
July 26, 2012, 04:45 PM
Levi,

Now there is your next project, scale up that NAA Smoke Gnat loading tool to be used on your big Remmie. Clean up the design by playing with it and sell them. For that matter go ahead and build one for the 63 Remmie as the major problem with the Piettas is supposedly the loading system breaking as it is tiny. DO LET ME KNOW how that works out as I a getting tired of the mallet loading system. I seat the balls level with a mallet to cut the lead rings on the Single Aught buck shot then after all that work is done finish seating them on the pistol with the loading lever.

-kBob

72coupe
July 26, 2012, 05:04 PM
Does this tiny thing qualify?
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa170/72coupe/FLOOD015.jpg
It looks a lot bigger in this picture than it really is.

MCgunner
July 26, 2012, 08:41 PM
Does this tiny thing qualify?

It looks a lot bigger in this picture than it really is.

Aweful big mouse. Sure that ain't a kangaroo?

MCgunner
July 26, 2012, 08:45 PM
Yes you guys can join, those are some sweet guns. I like that little break top, as long as it makes smoke and is small you can join!

I've kinda been hankerin' for a 63' Remmy myself actually. I got a cylinder for one at a garage sale, now I just need a pistol to go along with it. Judging from the size of the cylinder I have this should be one neat little cap and ball pocket rocket. It looks like I could use the loading tool for my NAA to load the cylinder.

Mine's a brasser, but I did, for the heck of it, chrono a 60 grain conical at 900 fps with a full compressed charge of 777. A steel gun could shoot it all day long, but I'm not sure about the brasser even though it's a Remmy. If I had to carry the gun, I'd go for it, though. :D That bullet has a very sharp point, should penetrate well. I got the mold from Dixie Gun Works years ago, brass mold, casts one RB and one conical. More often than not, when i shoot it, I just shoot 00 buck over pyrodex. :D

Busyhands94
July 26, 2012, 09:28 PM
What does the pyrodex get? I think Lee makes a mold for .31 revolver conicals, I have seen one guy on Youtube load his with hollow base wadcutters, from what I could tell they looked pretty heavy and would do some major damage if they hit a bad guy.

MCgunner
July 26, 2012, 10:40 PM
Pryodex gives me something over 700fps, close to 800 with a ball.

72coupe
July 27, 2012, 09:00 AM
McGunner I can wrap my hand around the cylinder and frame and my index finger and thumb touch. I can't do that with any other revolver I have seen.

It is 36 caliber but still a very small pistol. Its that 6 1/2 inch barrel that makes it look big. Amazingly accurate, even I can keep 5 shots in the black at 25 yards on the rapid fire pistol target.

MCgunner
July 28, 2012, 04:55 PM
I guess the jury is out on the definition of a "mouse gun" in BP terms. :D I generally think of NAAs, .25ACPs, .32 Seecamps, NAA Guardians, P3ATs, etc, but stop short of subcompact 9s and snubby .38s when I think of "mouse guns" in the traditional sense. And, hey, I ain't one to be exclusive. :D

gym
July 28, 2012, 09:18 PM
Now do you fellas carry these BP guns for self defense, if so are they reliable. And what about the ammo, is it a stopper, or does it depend on the type of led mixture used. I have no idea what the capabilaties of these weapons are so excuse my ignorance. Always open to new things, I thought they were more for collectors than shooting. But every day I find I know less than the day before.

romel
July 29, 2012, 11:47 AM
This is my Colt 1849 Pocket of the Uberti, 3" barrel

72coupe
July 29, 2012, 07:48 PM
Romel that thing is really short! Do you load the cylnder off the gun?

RevolvingGarbage
November 28, 2012, 01:22 PM
Heres my pocket poofer,

Iver Johnson Safety Hammerless (1898), .38S&W

Jim, West PA
November 28, 2012, 02:29 PM
Am i small 'nuf ?
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=174177&d=1351979352

wap41
November 28, 2012, 02:40 PM
Here are my entries 2 colt 1849 pocket pistols & a Wesson & Leavitt early model pre colt lawsuit.

Jim, West PA
November 28, 2012, 03:25 PM
Jist great. I had to go and open this thread.
I now know that ENABLERS come in all sizes.

Busyhands94
November 28, 2012, 05:25 PM
Romel, RevolvingGarbage, wap41 and Jim... you're all in the club! :)

Guess I should post my latest BP mousegun here. It's an old Iver & Johnson American Bulldog second model. It is chambered in .32 S&W, but will handle BP .32 Longs just fine. The name "American Bulldog" is rather fitting, as this gun sounds like a dang .38 Special!

The story behind this piece? It was bought back in the late 1800's by a gentleman who used it to defend himself from a criminal. So somebody might have actually been killed with this gun, kind of macabre! So after that was over appearantly the po-po chief at the time took it from the crime scene, but didn't steal it. He later gave this revolver to the seller's great grandfather. His great grandfather carried this handgun as a train conductor, and later gave it to the seller's father. His father kept it on a shelf with a box of bullets in the drawer when the seller what a kid. If he or any of his siblings touched it, they'd get the belt or mum's hickory switch. Now that's good parenting.
Then later on when the seller's dad went home to our eternal father, the seller put it on Armslist so he could buy a new Sig Saur. I bought it for $100 IIRC.

The next owner of the gun would be me. When I got it, it was double action only. So I made a new sear spring. There was a HUGE cylinder gap, so I tightened this revolver up. The cylinder wouldn't rotate everytime you pulled the trigger, so I made a nice shiny new hand for this revolver out of steel and hardened it. I shoot this piece all the time. She's 114 years old and this gun is still being loved and well cared for. And shot! :D
http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x372/busyhands94/SAM_0235_zps4f06fa63.jpg

I got a breaktop that should be here next week too. It's a Thayer Robinson and Cary in .32 S&W.

Molasses
November 28, 2012, 05:56 PM
This .22 C&B bar hammered DAO pepperbox is the most mouse-worthy one I've got.
Haven't played with it in years. Regular percussion caps don't fit the nipples without squeezing them down a lot and I always had a lot of ignition trouble with it...I've always had a sneaking suspicion that there is a particular toy capgun cap that's supposed to fit.

Busyhands94
November 28, 2012, 06:06 PM
I have seen those Gold Rush .22 pepperboxes, and have always wanted to get one! They do look like they might need to be played around with, but I bet with some modifications you could get it to fire reliably.

rodwha
November 28, 2012, 10:41 PM
I've been trying to find out what the capacity is for the .31 pocket pistols. How much 3F can a full chamber (Rem and Colt) hold?

wap41
November 28, 2012, 11:04 PM
13 gr of fff is recomended

rodwha
November 28, 2012, 11:17 PM
But what is it's max? Were you to fill the chamber what could it hold?

I really like the 1863, but wonder if it can do more than punch holes in paper or water bottles. I like the 1863 over the 1862 by a small margin.

raa-7
December 1, 2012, 02:34 PM
I hope this thread goes on far ! I'll join as soon as I can post a picture of my home made,totally from scratch, .25 cal bp pistol. I always wanted to make one without the help of getting a kit or buying parts like a trigger or barrel/stock etc. * Hey Levi you should post a picture of that cool little bp pistol you made a while back (the one you showed on YT that you took apart and assembled.I thought that was pretty slick to make that. ron

rodwha
December 1, 2012, 06:15 PM
Ron: What do you feed your homemade .25? What kind of powder capacity does it have? Cool!

Busyhands94
December 1, 2012, 07:06 PM
Raa-7, are you talking these little BB shooters?
http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x372/busyhands94/602318_3914203330317_714788910_n.jpg
I still love to play with these. You can shoot BB's with caps, or a pinch of birdshot! ;)

raa-7
December 2, 2012, 06:49 PM
Yup there they are ! You know,when you posted that one on the top, at that time then,I was making the trigger for mine.I really like the ones that are made from scratch like that.And the one on the bottom ,that kinda looks like a Rider Derringer! I like how these lil guns look sooo innocent and all until ya pull the trigger :eek: So cool :D Im trying to post a picture of mine. I'm not exactly mr. pc here so,but I'll give it a go here . -ron-

Busyhands94
December 2, 2012, 07:25 PM
Ron, when I built that little one on the bottom I based it off the Remington Ryder. It's a pretty effective little break action single shot, I like to keep it in my truck for shootin' stuff. I also keep a pack of toy caps and a tube of Daisy BB's, as well as a few Q-tips to clean it with. :D

Try uploading it to photobucket then posting the IMG code, that might be easier.

raa-7
December 2, 2012, 07:45 PM
Yeah those two are cool.When I first saw that one, I thought it was the Rem -Ryder pistol at first ! Yeah I use the daisy bb's for mine too. I put (about) 5-6 grains bp, and a few bb's. it's fun to shoot.I might have to take it out squirrel hunting soon ! It only has a 5" bbl but Iv'e shot targets at 20-25 yards so it should do good.I even a mold for a 40 grain and a 45 grain bullet. Just alot fun to play around with !

raa-7
December 2, 2012, 07:56 PM
Raa-7, are you talking these little BB shooters?
http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x372/busyhands94/602318_3914203330317_714788910_n.jpg
I still love to play with these. You can shoot BB's with caps, or a pinch of birdshot! ;)
I still have to put sights on mine yet but I will soon.I have so much fun shooting it I just point n shoot :p but with bb's you can.

raa-7
December 5, 2012, 07:37 PM
I hope it works this time..My home made black powder pistol.It shoots lead shot pretty well and also a .25 cal 40 or 45 grain bullet from a mold I made for it.It's a smooth bore but the barrel is 5" so it's good for close range.It takes 6 grains bp and a cap. http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q587/ra-63/100_0782.jpg?t=1354753283 Is it too late to join the mouse gun club? I have alot of picture postin to do :p -ron-

Busyhands94
December 5, 2012, 07:41 PM
WOW! Excellent work! You are definitely in.

raa-7
December 7, 2012, 09:55 AM
It actually has pre and over travel adjustments on it too... Like it's a precision target pistol :p :D :p

raa-7
December 7, 2012, 01:10 PM
http://http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q587/ra-63/100_0783.jpg?t=1354753424 Pre and over travel adjustments on the home made pistol.

Busyhands94
December 7, 2012, 03:18 PM
That is really cool, excellent job on that pistol. Now you just gotta install some sights on it.
May I make a suggestion?

sackettboys
December 13, 2012, 11:26 AM
here's mine, all .31s except for the derringer, it's a .44 kit I got from Dixie Gun Works years ago.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e233/sackettboys/No21.jpg

rodwha
December 13, 2012, 12:07 PM
What kind of charge does that little .44 take?
Does it have much of a kick?

Fingers McGee
December 13, 2012, 12:16 PM
Sackettboys, Who made the round barreled .31s, and when? They're the first .31 cal Leech and Rigdons I've ever seen.

sackettboys
December 13, 2012, 01:11 PM
rodwha - 'bout 10 grains, haven't tried any other loads in it, it bucks a little bit.
Fingers - all made by ASM, middle - date code XXV (1969), bottom - date code AD (1978)
here's a ASM 3rd model dragoon for comparison (note that the dragoon has a long range sight but no cutout for the shoulder stock)
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e233/sackettboys/dragoonfamily800x584.jpg

kBob
December 13, 2012, 03:30 PM
Sakketboys,

I like the round barreled 1849s. I can't remember seeing that derringer before so thanks for sharing that as well.

-kBob

sackettboys
December 13, 2012, 05:41 PM
kbob - the barrel on the derringer was originally octagon in shape but in my youth decided that round was more to my liking...here's a pic I found on the net as to what the kit looked like.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e233/sackettboys/derringerkit.jpg

Fingers McGee
December 13, 2012, 07:39 PM
all made by ASM, middle - date code XXV (1969), bottom - date code AD (1978). here's a ASM 3rd model dragoon for comparison (note that the dragoon has a long range sight but no cutout for the shoulder stock)


Way cool. Now I have some other variations to be on the lookout for to add to my collection.

I've got one of the Dragoons with leaf sights; but it's cut for the shoulder stock & I have the stock that goes with it.

ASM made some pretty nice variations back then.

raa-7
December 15, 2012, 09:36 PM
That is really cool, excellent job on that pistol. Now you just gotta install some sights on it.
May I make a suggestion?
Levi, how did you go about putting the sights on your two shooters? I really need to put them on mine. What do you suggest ? -ron-

Crawdad1
December 27, 2012, 09:53 AM
Here's my moose, wait, I mean mouse guns. Can I join??:neener:

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n585/nosrettap1958/DSC00014_zps777a5f80.jpg

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