This encounter will be interesting to watch


May 21, 2011, 03:13 PM

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May 21, 2011, 03:27 PM
Lt. Raymond Evers, a spokesman for the city police, told that gun owners who open carry, which is legal in the city, may be asked to lay on the ground until officers feel safe while they check permits.
Wow. That's disgusting.

May 21, 2011, 04:23 PM
may be asked to lay on the ground until officers feel safe while they check permits.

your papers please

Philly is Nazi Germany

May 21, 2011, 04:41 PM
Well, just to feel really safe...he need to have a foot on his neck while on the ground cuffed.:fire:

May 22, 2011, 01:47 AM
Do they realize that OC encounters are handled very differently in many American cities? Talk about alienating good citizens!

Far East Sig
May 22, 2011, 02:47 AM
He ran into the one policeman that just might have shot him out of ignorance of the law. He is lucky backup got there in time.

I hope the NRA get involved to help this guy out, as it is a prosecutory response to being made to look like fools.

May 22, 2011, 07:05 AM
It will be interesting to see how Fiorino's trial comes out. The charges are obviously trumped-up but a lot will depend on the admissibility of Fiorino's audiotape and whether Fiorino's attorney can create a sense of outrage in the jury.

May 22, 2011, 08:12 AM
Cop should be fired, and prosecutor should be dis-barred.

This is worse (if can can even be possible) than The Peoples Demokratic Repubik of Chikago, CRook County, ILL.

May 22, 2011, 09:37 PM
philly police do this all the time

May 22, 2011, 09:42 PM
WOW. With a statement like that you can say goodbye qualified immunity, hello liability.

The lawsuit will be painful.

May 22, 2011, 11:39 PM
Unfortunately there is a decent chance that the audio evidence will get tossed due to PA being a dual consent state in terms of recording conversations.

May 23, 2011, 01:07 AM
No. Court decisions have held that recordings like Fiorino's are not subject to Pennsylvania's restrictions.

May 23, 2011, 01:54 PM
Ah, good to hear then.

May 23, 2011, 04:21 PM
Sad while they are pushing law abiding citizens faces in the dirt....the bad guys are getting away.

May 23, 2011, 06:08 PM

May 23, 2011, 06:23 PM
Wow, just wow....

outlook ranch
May 23, 2011, 06:26 PM
Glad I don't live there....

Jim K
May 23, 2011, 06:56 PM
Some cops won't "feel safe" unless they shoot someone 42 times.


May 24, 2011, 02:27 PM
Shouldn't cops be required to be at least reasonably familiar with the basic provisions of the laws they are supposed to enforce? Does any cop brighter than a baby room nitelight really think that an actual criminal would open carry a bulky holstered pistol on a city street in broad daylight? While it's true that a few LEOs around the US are shot by illegally armed criminals every year, that doesn't mean that law abiding Americans should be forced to give up the precious liberties supposedly guaranteed to us by the Bill of Rights. Cops who willingly accept the risks that accompany that job should be well paid and well respected. But LE isn't for would-be petty tyrants who crave power over their fellow citizens, and those few who want the authority without accepting the inherent risks shouldn't be in LE to begin with.

In spite of what I may say about this unacceptable act by a petty tyrant in Philly, I truly respect the vast majority of LEOs who are willing to accept the very real risks associated with enforcing the law without intruding on our Constitutional rights, and I grieve for those who don't come home unscathed at the end of the shift. But I don't respect the few who abuse the power we give them by bullying and threatening law abiding people who are committing no "crime" other than exercising a Constitutionally protected right that the LEO doesn't happen to like. An authoritarian urban area LEO may not like the 2nd Amendment RKBA that we mere "civilians" are given by God at birth, but he or she IS obligated to respect it.

Liberal judges have now become our actual rulers who blatantly misinterpret laws to suit their prejudice against our God-given rights, and they rule over the US like Imperial Rome's Caesars without any regard whatsoever for the Constitution's safeguards. If their bleeding hearts didn't bleed exclusively for vicious criminals they would keep the urban savages who are the real threats to LEOs and the puiblic in prison for the entire sentence they were given, and a great deal of our urban area crime problems would be eliminated. Twenty years should mean 20 years, not 3 or 4 and then back on the mean streets to rob, rape, and kill more innocent victims. If parole boards think it's good policy to reward acceptable behavior by releasing prisoners after 1/3rd of a 10 year sentence is served, then judges should make the sentence 30 years in order to insure that the perp serves the full 10 years that he or she deserves.

OK, end of foaming-at-the-mouth rant, probably the result of too much caffeine for one morning.

May 24, 2011, 03:05 PM
nope, ignorance of the law is no excuse unless of course you enforce the law then its ok

May 24, 2011, 04:34 PM
well said, one-time

May 24, 2011, 10:04 PM
should organize an open carry parade,,banners and bull horns to the courthouse steps

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